Mega Thread Matt Rendell (Part 2)

[mysainters]

IMO this will kill any real open discussions on the problems on regruiting Indigenous players the with the clubs,surely this will scare anyone from saying anything.

Who knows, perhaps that's the aim?

Is there anything to suggest that help was neccessary or warranted?

Perhaps the people appointed to look after this issue, and their respective employees, are working hard on it and a resolution is close.

In life, if you're not qualified to have an opinion, sometimes it's best to keep out of it.

I mean, seriously, pick your subjects.

This isn't light hearted footy banter around the water fountain, we're talking about a subject that needs a great deal of sensitivity and understanding about it.

 

[Mattrox]

Indigenpus people have diverse opinions and don't want to be "they". The 3AW commentators gave person insights to this. Just coz Mifsud thiks something sounds "assimilation" (because Fahour told him so) doesn't mean every remote player would think so........ This is why the former players back Rendell. because he has his finger on the pulse more than Mifsud, Fahour or Vlad (the impaler of Rendell).

 

[Roby]

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If anyone is interested this is an recent and interesting article. There is also a video.

The standoff between police and Aboriginal protesters at Heirisson Island continued overnight after riot police raided the "tent embassy" and arrested four people at the site yesterday afternoon.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/h...ome-to-this-20120322-1vn3r.html#ixzz1q31jhzSY

Reasons why these things continue to happen is because we haven't changed our constitution to reflect Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

Check this site. http://www.youmeunity.org.au/

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Re Sam Newman.

I felt his editorial was an attack on TFS itself. Nobody would bite. No other panelist gave it any oxygen. Newman knew this would happen. He knows whats on the agenda before the show starts. And I reckon when he knew they were too gutless to mention the Rendell saga, he said "OK, but I am going to say something."

BTW, Rendell got plenty of high profile ex indigenous players openly supporting him because he had helped and tutored them along the way and they weren't too proud to say they were grateful for that. How many indigenous players supported Mifsud the same way? I don't think I heard one.

I heard Chris Johnson say Mifsud had been a great mentor for him and that his behavior through this issue has been spot on. I also heard a general acceptance on Marngrook that standing up against racist ignorance was important and there was no questioning either Mifsud's actions or his motivation. So there's several for you.

The distinctive thing about the Marngrook segment was that discussion started from an assumption Mifsud was right to do what he did and Rendell was wrong, no time wasted on arguing about it. They could then start from where the game goes from here and what Matt Rendell and the industry can learn from his incident.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ger-matt-rendell/story-e6freck3-1226309103658

Why didn't this happen BEFORE he was sacked???

 

[Wood_Duck]

It is quite clear that no white person will ever provide a solution to an indigenous issue. I am also not convinced that any indigenous person will either.

 

[Ron The Bear]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ger-matt-rendell/story-e6freck3-1226309103658

Why didn't this happen BEFORE he was sacked???

"It was normal practice, except in this case it was public." What, with employees who've been terminated?

Damage control after the sacking was poorly received.

Wait now for the warm and fuzzy recap of events from some kowtowing journo.

 

[zipper12]

Has Mifsud ever clearly criticised Rendell's scholarship proposal for being a form of assimilation? It just seems an odd view for someone who has a key role in encouraging indigenous young men to integrate successfully in capital city based football clubs.

 

[Mattrox]

Has Mifsud ever clearly criticised Rendell's scholarship proposal for being a form of assimilation? It just seems an odd view for someone who has a key role in encouraging indigenous young men to integrate successfully in capital city based football clubs.

His Tweets give this impression.

 

[Mattrox]

"It was normal practice, except in this case it was public." What, with employees who've been terminated?

Damage control after the sacking was poorly received.

Wait now for the warm and fuzzy recap of events from some kowtowing journo.

Like Balme said, "After you shoot him, he's already dead."

 

[Off The Couch]

I found it interesting that Misfud says that it is an uneasy conversation that needs to be had and can't be shied away from but the minute someone broaches the subject and it is not worded properly they are sacked. You will be hard pressed now to get anyone at all unless your aboriginal to talk on the subject.

The other thing I took from Mangrook panel that it is only the clubs that need educating and not the young men coming through the system (something that Burns raised thank god but was dismissed) and that all clubs need an indigenous liaison officer to again educate the white fella and assist the young men coming through the system and yet we have Adam Goodes telling us he doesn't want to be treated any different - what on earth are people expected to do.

I still don't know what Rendell did wrong other than to Say that there is a problem with indigenous youth in football and if it is allowed to continue in the manner it has to date, it MAY get to the point for example where an indigenous boy will only be recruited if he has one white parent. Now I obviously need more educating because he didn't say it was occurring now, he didn't say it was something he would do, he said it MAY happen. Broach the subject people but before you do ask what it is your allowed to say.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Caro did a nice job on Offsiders against Grant Thomas, highlighted his use of he word "assimilate" and as example of the racist ignorance of some in footy/media

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Caro did a nice job on Offsiders against Grant Thomas, highlighted his use of he word "assimilate" and as example of the racist ignorance of some in footy/media

Its a contradiction, isn't it? Only the dumbest of media hacks can play this one and think people will buy it.

Caro is pleased Jurrah plays AFL for Melbourne. But by gum!....she hates assimilation.

 

[Ron The Bear]

The other thing I took from Mangrook panel that it is only the clubs that need educating and not the young men coming through the system (something that Burns raised thank god but was dismissed) and that all clubs need an indigenous liaison officer to again educate the white fella and assist the young men coming through the system and yet we have Adam Goodes telling us he doesn't want to be treated any different - what on earth are people expected to do.

This is the problem in a nutshell, and what drives me bananas in debates about Aboriginal Australia. There is no singular message.

Aboriginals wish to be recognised as such and thus set apart as something special, and many are disdainful of mainstream Australia and efforts to assist integration. It appears they seek the best of both worlds - but why should it be possible to flit easily between the two cultures?

I'm not prepared to anoint Aboriginals as kings by virtue of their ancestry. Some are too proud by half.

Cue cries of 'Racist!'...

 

[roostersgal4eva]

"It was normal practice, except in this case it was public." What, with employees who've been terminated?

Damage control after the sacking was poorly received.

Wait now for the warm and fuzzy recap of events from some kowtowing journo.

This whole saga stinks and smells of needing a deflection and a scapegoat and makes me concerned for Rendell's well-being quite frankly

 

[PatrickBateman]

This is the problem in a nutshell, and what drives me bananas in debates about Aboriginal Australia. There is no singular message.

Aboriginals wish to be recognised as such and thus set apart as something special, and many are disdainful of mainstream Australia and efforts to assist integration. It appears they seek the best of both worlds - but why should it be possible to flit easily between the two cultures?

I'm not prepared to anoint Aboriginals as kings by virtue of their ancestry. Some are too proud by half.

Cue cries of 'Racist!'...

Key. Hence the reason why we'll continue to have issues in generations to come. Australia is the International hub for cultural equality, the most liveable country in the world. Indigenous Australia's excuses are old and tired... Only when they choose to be accepted, will it happen.

 

[JP Sauce]

I heard Chris Johnson say Mifsud had been a great mentor for him and that his behavior through this issue has been spot on. I also heard a general acceptance on Marngrook that standing up against racist ignorance was important and there was no questioning either Mifsud's actions or his motivation. So there's several for you.

The distinctive thing about the Marngrook segment was that discussion started from an assumption Mifsud was right to do what he did and Rendell was wrong, no time wasted on arguing about it. They could then start from where the game goes from here and what Matt Rendell and the industry can learn from his incident.

But they didn't actually have any ideas or suggestions on where the game, Rendell and the industry can go from here. They kept talking about a problem but offered no ways of fixing it or improving the situation.

At least Rendell was trying to help. The clowns on Marngrook were just telling us all how bad what Rendell said was.

 

[Roby]

But they didn't actually have any ideas or suggestions on where the game, Rendell and the industry can go from here. They kept talking about a problem but offered no ways of fixing it or improving the situation.

At least Rendell was trying to help. The clowns on Marngrook were just telling us all how bad what Rendell said was.

You can start here.

http://www.youmeunity.org.au/

 

[Keys]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...ger-matt-rendell/story-e6freck3-1226309103658

Why didn't this happen BEFORE he was sacked???

Because the afl wouldn't have had their sacrificial lamb to show how seriously they take indigenous issues to serve as a warning to any others considering having an independent thought

 

[TAITA]

You can start here.

http://www.youmeunity.org.au/

Mission statement: "We acknowledge and respect the vision of a nation that recognises the culture and history of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, values their participation and provides equal life chances for all."

None of us 'racists' would have any problem with this champ, infact I would go further and include all races and nationalities in the statement, not only Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders.

However, if you are going to blaspheme many of us as 'racists', claim the intellectual high ground, and accuse us of ignorance - how about you make a decent effort at actually making a stand on your thoughts and agenda/program?

Because all I have heard from you is that we are all ignorant and you are an extremely intelligent man.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Re Sam Newman.

I felt his editorial was an attack on TFS itself. Nobody would bite. No other panelist gave it any oxygen. Newman knew this would happen. He knows whats on the agenda before the show starts. And I reckon when he knew they were too gutless to mention the Rendell saga, he said "OK, but I am going to say something."

BTW, Rendell got plenty of high profile ex indigenous players openly supporting him because he had helped and tutored them along the way and they weren't too proud to say they were grateful for that. How many indigenous players supported Mifsud the same way? I don't think I heard one.

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Yeh I hate to sound like Andrew Bolt but where was the consideration of his thirty years of actions to help indigenous players compared to the use of an ill termed phrase - once - in a private meeting - that someone took six weeks to take offense too

 

[tonk]

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Yeh I hate to sound like Andrew Bolt but where was the consideration of his thirty years of actions to help indigenous players compared to the use of an ill termed phrase - once - in a private meeting - that someone took six weeks to take offense too

Good question.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Good question.

Its not like Cory Bernadi or John Howard prescribing harsh medicine for Aboriginal communities this is a guy who actually helped some indigenous players in their chosen profession for a number of years

 

[tonk]

Its not like Cory Bernadi or John Howard prescribing harsh medicine for Aboriginal communities this is a guy who actually helped some indigenous players in their chosen profession for a number of years

Yep and he makes one mistake and he's out on his arse. I expect everybody will be treated this way in future.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Yep and he makes one mistake and he's out on his arse. I expect everybody will be treated this way in future.

We all know Demetriou strives to look after those in the nation with the lowest IQs... Christians no exception.