Traded Mitch McGovern [traded to Carlton in a three-way trade involving Sydney and McAdam]

[Brighton_Diggins]

Shouldnt be too difficult then.. sos shouldve already made the call i guess..

No reason for adelaide to bother making any calls... its carlton that wants to get this deal done.

I bought a second hand car from a private seller the other day.. i didnt turn up, make an offer on it, have it accepted by the seller, only to turn around to the seller and say “i actually havent got the coin, can you organise some finance for me!”...

Same deal here... carlton want the deal done, carlton should do the work.

Both clubs need to come together and flesh out the deal. And they will. MM's too far down the rabbit hole in terms of a medical and nomination already gone under the bridge. This day and age you dont want to keep a player who wants out. The AFC have a strong culture and generally bring players up a few pegs. So trade and draft accordingly and apply that model. And for gods sake stop being so obsessed with wanting to drive the knife back into SOS because you feel aggrieved about past trades and deals. Put your energy and blow torch under Justin Reids behind and focus on what he can do for you as a club.

 

[LordLucifer]

In his best season he was only good because he was playing behind Jenkins, Walker and even Lynch.

It is a rarity that you ever post anything that is worth quoting but strange things do happen at times, what you have there is a fact that a lot of people are just not taking into account.

In the pecking order, McGovern is the Crows fourth forward, fifth if you want to put Betts into that list. No club stumps up a huge trade price for a fourth forward regardless of whether the player is contracted or not.

IMO, early in Trade Week, Carlton will make what they believe is a fair & reasonable offer for McGovern , Justin Reid and his team will stamp their feet and say "no deal". The trade period will eke by with both clubs getting involved with other deals, late on the final day, both clubs will cave in a little more and some common ground will be reached.

The one thing we all know is that Silvagni will not sell the farm for him, he is a very shrewd operator and would prefer to walk away from the deal if needed.

 

[ad victoriam]

Reid wants McAdam as well.. how does all this fit in?

Reid does not want McAdam, listen to the conversation again. they have looked at a few mature age players.
and he would not be top of there list. unless he still on the board around pick 68,
They will pick mature age players for needs. Not because some in the media believe they will.
He is a big Hint look taller.

 

[Foucault1989]

I can't wait for the conclusion of this trade. I wonder if an option will be found where both supporter bases shrug their shoulders and agree it is fair

 

[ad victoriam]

His is a 24 yo state league player unproven at the higher level we may have used a third round pick on him if he was available then

Will not be a 3rd round is our pick 3 round pick is 37, it would be the 4th round plus at 68 onwards or rookie spot,

 

[When I Crow Up]

Will not be a 3rd round is our pick 3 round pick is 37, it would be the 4th round plus at 68 onwards or rookie spot,

I haven't seen anyone value him at higher than an end of draft pick, and it wasn't until his name was suddenly mentioned in the McGovern trade by the media that there was interest in him. Plenty of young development players will be taken ahead of him being considered, and given there are a few VFL and WAFL players that teams are rating, I doubt either Carlton or GC would consider using their selections on him either.

 

[Bearded Clam]

It is a rarity that you ever post anything that is worth quoting but strange things do happen at times, what you have there is a fact that a lot of people are just not taking into account.

In the pecking order, McGovern is the Crows fourth forward, fifth if you want to put Betts into that list. No club stumps up a huge trade price for a fourth forward regardless of whether the player is contracted or not.

IMO, early in Trade Week, Carlton will make what they believe is a fair & reasonable offer for McGovern , Justin Reid and his team will stamp their feet and say "no deal". The trade period will eke by with both clubs getting involved with other deals, late on the final day, both clubs will cave in a little more and some common ground will be reached.

The one thing we all know is that Silvagni will not sell the farm for him, he is a very shrewd operator and would prefer to walk away from the deal if needed.

Mitch’s percieved position in the adelaide crows’ forward line pecking order by carlton supporters is totally and utterly irrelevant..

Sure, some might see him as being behind tex, JJ and eddie.. but all four players are all totally different forwards that each bring different elements to the forward line as a whole.

Our entire forward line works better with mitch in it...

On top of this he has shown his versitility this year in being able to go back into defence and play a role..

Me personally, i see mitch as our second best forward behind tex in terms of value.

Because you also have to factor in the age of all the players in question too and the extra value to the crows that this brings in regards to mitch... Tex, JJ, eddie and to an extent Lynch are all in their last 3-4 years... mitch has 8 or so years left in him.. and due to this age disparity with so many of our forwards due to move on in the next 4 years it makes adelaide less likely to want to move mitch on because hes a link between our old forward line and our young up and comers like himmelburg and fog. That 23-28 year old experience he would bring in the next few years is valuable when eddie, tex, lynch and JJ retire..

Carlton supporters dont recognise this and cant seem to think outside the square on this one with all their “hes the third or fourth best” dribble..

His value to the crows is a hell of a lot higher than what a few carlton fans here are trying to claim it is... and its his value to the crows that will really matter at the trade table.

I dont really know if it has gone past the point of no return... but... I personally would rather he is held to his contract, the club mends any anamosity that may be there and signs him on again at the end of this current contract.

 

[footyfan1978]

You will get what scraps we got left after our primary trade targets are dealt with and can just wait until then for exact details. No need for us to do anything until our own time with more important matters sorted.

 

[When I Crow Up]

Mitch’s percieved position in the adelaide crows’ forward line pecking order by carlton supporters is totally and utterly irrelevant..

Sure, some might see him as being behind tex, JJ and eddie.. but all four players are all totally different forwards that each bring different elements to the forward line as a whole.

Our entire forward line works better with mitch in it...

On top of this he has shown his versitility this year in being able to go back into defence and play a role..

Me personally, i see mitch as our second best forward behind tex in terms of value.

Because you also have to factor in the age of all the players in question too and the extra value to the crows that this brings in regards to mitch... Tex, JJ, eddie and to an extent Lynch are all in their last 3-4 years... mitch has 8 or so years left in him.. and due to this age disparity with so many of our forwards due to move on in the next 4 years it makes adelaide less likely to want to move mitch on because hes a link between our old forward line and our young up and comers like himmelburg and fog. That 23-28 year old experience he would bring in the next few years is valuable when eddie, tex, lynch and JJ retire..

Carlton supporters dont recognise this and cant seem to think outside the square on this one with all their “hes the third or fourth best” dribble..

His value to the crows is a hell of a lot higher than what a few carlton fans here are trying to claim it is... and its his value to the crows that will really matter at the trade table.

I dont really know if it has gone past the point of no return... but... I personally would rather he is held to his contract, the club mends any anamosity that may be there and signs him on again at the end of this current contract.

This. Absolutely nailed it. McGovern was who our forwardline would be built around moving forward once Jenkins and Tex are done. They also seem to completely disregard the fact he's a proven finals player, is a game winner/clutch player and got experience working in arguably one of the best forward lines for a long time.

Add on top of that McGovern having unlucky impact injuries and the Crows had a bad season, his value is very likely to significantly go up if he and the crows play better this season which most people expect them too. Crows are under no pressure to release him cheap. If a deal doesn't get done, then we keep him and I'd expect he'll be worth a good chunk more end of next season, or better yet we start winning again and he enjoys his footy and chooses to stay.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

You will get what scraps we got left after our primary trade targets are dealt with and can just wait until then for exact details. No need for us to do anything until our own time with more important matters sorted.

If so Carlton will not get MM. Simple.

 

[When I Crow Up]

You will get what scraps we got left after our primary trade targets are dealt with and can just wait until then for exact details. No need for us to do anything until our own time with more important matters sorted.

You have to have primary trades to happen for there to be scraps...

 

[daniel_4tw]

Hope we keep him. X-factor players don’t grow on trees.

I think Crows rate him more than Carlton do. Which means a deal is unlikely.

That’s the way it is.

 

[ad victoriam]

You will get what scraps we got left after our primary trade targets are dealt with and can just wait until then for exact details. No need for us to do anything until our own time with more important matters sorted.

Hope you right As I would rather M McGovern Playing in Crows Jumper in 2019. Which is what will happen if you are correct.
Remember Carlton need to talk to the Crows office to facilitate a trade. not the other way around.

Simple maths with this trade, either he gets a trade for a deal that benefits the Crows or he Plays for the Crows next year.
Nothing hard about it.

 

[footyfan1978]

Hope you right As I would rather M McGovern Playing in Crows Jumper in 2019

I am, but you will not be happy.

 

[ad victoriam]

I am, but you will not be happy.

Do you also know that Carlton needs to facilitate several other deals before they get the currency to trade for M McGovern? due to Ried demand.
Do you understand that certain important people at the Crows would be happy if he stays at the club for 2019.

End of the day he is either traded for a deal that benefits the Crows or playing for the Crows next year.
Win /Win for me and a lot of other people. so I will not be disappointed.

 

[footyfan1978]

Do you also know that Carlton needs to facilitate several other deals before they get the currency to trade for M McGovern?

Refer to this. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ade-to-carlton.1196490/page-320#post-58251735
All crystal clear.

 

[arsene wenger1]

If so Carlton will not get MM. Simple.

Mate don’t waste your time replying to that dog shit post.

 

[arsene wenger1]

Hope we keep him. X-factor players don’t grow on trees.

I think Crows rate him more than Carlton do. Which means a deal is unlikely.

That’s the way it is.

Nar remember they have Teague, he rates him as high as anyone

 

[When I Crow Up]

Refer to this. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ade-to-carlton.1196490/page-320#post-58251735
All crystal clear.

Your position is reliant on Carlton actually landing a big name player into the club, something Carlton haven't done since Judd. Much more likely is that Carlton use their current draft capital to make a trade for McGovern work, and go into the draft with the remaining capital.

 

[Adelaide97]

Not actually what he said. He said they keep an eye on a number of state footballers, which they absolutely do and are employed to do. They'll have a number on him as they will with most players that are eligible for the draft, and if he falls to a point where they feel his talent warrants that pick they'll see who else is left on the board and consider him. No team will value McAdams as a second or third round pick, and he'll be lucky to go in the 4th I feel from what I've seen of him. Teams invest in young talent or players that have shown significant improvement and can slot straight into an AFL team. McAdam is neither of those, but would be an ok pick-up for our SANFL side depending on whether we draft any other small forwards.

McAdam went to combine which means he’s had 3 or more clubs interested in him, I also know someone who played at Sturt with him and McAdam himself has said the crows are talking to him.

 

[ad victoriam]

Refer to this. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ade-to-carlton.1196490/page-320#post-58251735
All crystal clear.

And you are under the impression the Crows will roll over and accept scraps. that your biggest flaw.

I will mention it again the Crows will not trade M McGovern unless it benefits them, Full stop.
The List management team have mentioned it several times.
Does not matter what you have heard from the Carlton camp. he will not be traded unless it benefits the Crows.

And he will play at the Crows if a deal is not done. And will play well to push his value up.

 

[PostPaolo]

Haven't scoped this thread in a while but isn't this just a formality? Carlton probably will now have to reshuffle some picks as 24 and 25 need to turn into a late first. Few Crows posters on here suggesting they'd rather keep him but that'd be a serious turnaround. Seems like McGovern has burnt his relationship with Adelaide.

 

[When I Crow Up]

McAdam went to combine which means he’s had 3 or more clubs interested in him, I also know someone who played at Sturt with him and McAdam himself has said the crows are talking to him.

Crows will have talked to quite a number of players, including potential mature aged recruits ,they always do, it's part of the interview process to find out if players may be a good cultural fit for the club, doesn't indicate where they value him. If you live in Adelaide you probably know someone who's played for a SANFL club and been talked to by an AFL club. I know a few Norwood lads and I know Grigg has talked with a couple of AFL clubs, doesn't indicate where they value him or even if he's going to be picked up in the draft or as a rookie selection. Like I said, Crows will have a value on him, as they will on a lot of players in the draft, but it won't be any in the realm of a second or third round pick.

 

[foodles05]

Keeping a fit McGovern is worth more to us than any draft pick which is never certain what you will get down the track. There have been so many failed top 10 draft picks over the years, let alone picks in the 20's.

Surely you crows fans understand that saying you are happy to keep him is simply posturing. He clearly wants out for reasons beyond just going home and a little more money. He is unhappy there and will definitely be traded. So making yourselves feel better by saying we'll take our bat and ball and go home if we don't get what we want is like a child doing it for real!

 

[ad victoriam]

McAdam went to combine which means he’s had 3 or more clubs interested in him, I also know someone who played at Sturt with him and McAdam himself has said the crows are talking to him.

Yes, they have talked to him, I will give two other names as well, Darcy Fort, Nathan Kreuger, both invited to the SANFL combine. does not mean they will take these players, let alone take for pick 37, they will look at there 4th round plus. out to a rookie list.
One question is McAdam worth more than Murthy.