My 2013 round 1 team

[Thylacinus]

FB: Brown Rutten Otten
HB: Reilly Talia vanBerlo
C: Smith Thompson Mackay
HF: Vince Jenkins Douglas
FF: Petrenko Tex Henderson
Ruck: Sauce Dangerfield Sloane
I/C: Wright Porps Kerridge
Sub: Johncock (alternatively Johncock into the team as interchange in place of Kerridge and Martin as sub).

Emergencies: Lyons, Shaw, Martin, McKernan, Tambling.

Those who may (or may not) pleasantly surprise in 2013: Martin, Tambling.

Those expected to step up in 2013: Kerridge, Lyons, Brown, Jenkins and hopefully McKernan.

 

[Team DJ]

100% garbage.. but keep telling yourself that it's the truth, if it helps you sleep at night.

WRONG!!!!!

 

[Vader]

Its not garbage Vader, Paladin's statement is spot on.

Tambling looked like he was settling into the side until Neil did a 180. IIRC Neil was the one that said Tambling had to be more desperate/hard at the ball carrier. As soon as he stood up Neil pulls out his sword and lops his head off.
Good to see Neil backed his player

He was playing well by "shiny new toy" standards - ie the low expectations of an 18/19yo kid. He was not playing well by the standards expected of a 100+ game player. He was not dropped because of anything Neil did, he was dropped because he wasn't good enough - and his subsequent drop to the point where he was barely in the Sturt league team further proves the point.

 

[Team DJ]

He was playing well by "shiny new toy" standards - ie the low expectations of an 18/19yo kid. He was not playing well by the standards expected of a 100+ game player. He was not dropped because of anything Neil did, he was dropped because he wasn't good enough - and his subsequent drop to the point where he was barely in the Sturt league team further proves the point.

Hardly got dropped, was suspended for 2 games. Was crucified by Craig David, which gave him no cnfidence when he went back to Sturt to work his way back in.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

He was playing well by "shiny new toy" standards - ie the low expectations of an 18/19yo kid. He was not playing well by the standards expected of a 100+ game player. He was not dropped because of anything Neil did, he was dropped because he wasn't good enough - and his subsequent drop to the point where he was barely in the Sturt league team further proves the point.

Oh what rubbish Vader...stop kidding yourself, it was all Pontius Pilate's doing.
Wasn't this the incident that Pontius Pilate used to produce a DVD to show our players what is deemed "tough" football, utterly embarrassing moment even by Neils standards.
The only thing playing at Sturt proved was that Tambo would have lost faith and confidence in his coach.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Its not that easy to pick a 22 for us next year, but here's my attempt.

Callahan_________
Patrenko________


rutton________

thomo



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If only we had Jarmen, MacLeod and Roocuitio.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Oh what rubbish Vader...stop kidding yourself, it was all Pontius Pilate's doing.
Wasn't this the incident that Pontius Pilate used to produce a DVD to show our players what is deemed "tough" football, utterly embarrassing moment even by Neils standards.
The only thing playing at Sturt proved was that Tambo would have lost faith and confidence in his coach.

Is this a new nickname for Neil, or I did I miss the memo? I don't mind it.

 

[skoobydoo]

I dont know whether selecting Round 1 teams has any cred at this stage of the season prior without knowing the form of players in the NAB Cup and trial games, and more particularly given we have had no massive changes to our list (excluding you know who).........so I thought I would throw in a slant on all this.

Now in GENERAL TERMS I suggest that the following players are NORMALLY 1st choice regulars, and I have loosely allocated them in position just for the purposes of filling the numbers up to a rough 18 (I know Vince is mispositioned) , so please dont get too excited about positioning etc. Johncock is probably the most doubtful -

Johncock Rutten Shaw
Smith Talia Reilly
McKay Thompson Sloane
Petrenko Vince Douglas
Callinan Walker Porplyzia

Jacobs Dangerfield Van Berlo

Now probably 3 of the above players are suspect to holding their positions, but that list of guys can be thought of as developed (for sake of classification) and who would week in/ week out normally be worthy of a spot based on known performance and consistency.

OK Who is challenging any of these guys for a spot? Who is showing an 'improvement trajectory' (to quote AIOF) from the ranks and looking to grab a spot from the 'regulars'?

From the full list I see the leaders in the improvement trajectory this way -
1. Walker (top of class)
2. Smith (Distinction)
3. Shaw (Credit)
4. Riley (Creditable Pass)
5. Wright
6. Henderson
7. Martin
8. Jenkins
9. Lyons
10. Kerridge
11. Lynch

Those I don't see as on an IT ie flat-lining, and feel free to rip into this as you see fit, are -
McKernan, Petrenko?, Tambling, Otten, LThompson,LJohnston,Yaensch

Most of the other remaining listees have yet to get game time and are the under 20yos.

 

[Vader]

Oh what rubbish Vader...stop kidding yourself, it was all Pontius Pilate's doing.
Wasn't this the incident that Pontius Pilate used to produce a DVD to show our players what is deemed "tough" football, utterly embarrassing moment even by Neils standards.
The only thing playing at Sturt proved was that Tambo would have lost faith and confidence in his coach.

And pointing out the stupidity of Tambling's actions, in getting reported and suspended, was about the only thing Craig did right with that DVD. God knows the "tough actions" part of it, showing Doughty's spoiling prowess, wasn't pretty to behold.

Tambling wasn't shattered by Craig's actions. He wasn't playing that well to begin with - and then he collapsed completely because he's a mentally weak footballer (like McKernan). Tambling's weakness is his own problem, not Craig's. If a footballer can't handle some home truths when he does something monumentally stupid and gets suspended for it, then he has no place playing football at the highest levels.

Stop making excuses for Tambling. He doesn't deserve them.

 

[Thylacinus]

FB: Brown Rutten Otten
HB: Reilly Talia vanBerlo
C: Smith Thompson Mackay
HF: Vince Jenkins Douglas
FF: Petrenko Tex Henderson
Ruck: Sauce Dangerfield Sloane
I/C: Wright Porps Kerridge
Sub: Johncock (alternatively Johncock into the team as interchange in place of Kerridge and Martin as sub).

Emergencies: Lyons, Shaw, Martin, McKernan, Tambling.

Those who may (or may not) pleasantly surprise in 2013: Martin, Tambling.

Those expected to step up in 2013: Kerridge, Lyons, Brown, Jenkins and hopefully McKernan.

Aaahh, what an indulgence replying to my own post. I simply wish to add Callinan to my emergencies. Their particular inclusion would depend on who is out injured at the time. The team now reads:

HB: Reilly Talia vanBerlo
C: Smith Thompson Mackay
HF: Vince Jenkins Douglas
FF: Petrenko Tex Henderson
Ruck: Sauce Dangerfield Sloane
I/C: Wright Porps Kerridge
Sub: Johncock (alternatively Johncock into the team as interchange in place of Kerridge and Martin as sub).

Emergencies: Lyons, Shaw, Martin, McKernan, Tambling.

Those who may (or may not) pleasantly surprise in 2013: Martin, Tambling, Callinan.

Those expected to step up in 2013: Kerridge, Lyons, Brown, Jenkins and hopefully McKernan.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Stop making excuses for Tambling. He doesn't deserve them.

Can we assume Sando sees something in him by the fact he's still there?

 

[Paladin]

And pointing out the stupidity of Tambling's actions, in getting reported and suspended, was about the only thing Craig did right with that DVD. God knows the "tough actions" part of it, showing Doughty's spoiling prowess, wasn't pretty to behold.

Tambling wasn't shattered by Craig's actions. He wasn't playing that well to begin with - and then he collapsed completely because he's a mentally weak footballer (like McKernan). Tambling's weakness is his own problem, not Craig's. If a footballer can't handle some home truths when he does something monumentally stupid and gets suspended for it, then he has no place playing football at the highest levels.

Stop making excuses for Tambling. He doesn't deserve them.

Yep embarrassing a young aboriginal footballer with a history of confidence issues in front of the entire state was tactical genius by Neil.

 

[WeeBlake]

I live in Vic and didn't see much of Shaw last year. From what I did see I don't share everyone's enthusiasm. Not that he looks bad, just that I thought he wasn't hugely impressive, all things considered. I left him out for Otten, who was good coming back from injury and played well in September. I left Kerridge out for the same reasons, on even less evidence.

I have Callinan in because he's the closest thing we have to a reliable goal kicking small forward.

I don't have McKernan in because I am not convinced he will get his head right. Jenkins seems to me to be a more likely prospect, so he is in to play big fwd/backup ruck, much like Kurt did.

I have Crouch in because we need to get games into him ASAP.

Douglas is not there because I have Wright (on last year's form), Petrenko (because he can be a defensive fwd), and Crouch and Brown (for development) in front of him. And also because I am sick of him. I guess you could make a case for him to be in front of Johncock though, and he almost certainly will be when the team is picked. Johncock is the sub because I think you need to get full games into rookies. Maybe the team is a bit short and would be better off with Lynch or Shaw to cover an injury to a tall.

Pretty much everything else will be uncontroversial.

FB Otten Rutten Reilly
HB McKay Talia Smith
C Henderson Dangerfield Vince
HF Wright Walker Porplyzia
FF Callinan Jenkins Petrenko

Jacobs Thompson Sloane

IC Van Berlo Crouch Brown
Sub Johncock

Hoping for Grigg or Atkins to push for selection, because we really need some class kicking. Also kinda hoping that Lyons can push the captain out of automatic selection.

 

[WeeBlake]

Yep embarrassing a young aboriginal footballer with a history of confidence issues in front of the entire state was tactical genius by Neil.

That was madness. I was on the sack Neil bandwagon shortly afterwards, mostly because he seemed to have convinced himself that he could have a team of premiership-winning robot choirboys.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Yep embarrassing a young aboriginal footballer with a history of confidence issues in front of the entire state was tactical genius by Neil.

 

[Vader]

Can we assume Sando sees something in him by the fact he's still there?

He's there for one reason alone - the AFC gave him a 3-year contract when they traded for him. Were it not for the fact that he was contracted for 2013 then he would have been gone at the end of 2012.

 

[Vader]

Yep embarrassing a young aboriginal footballer with a history of confidence issues in front of the entire state was tactical genius by Neil.

As distinct from the treatment that every other suspended Crows player had received during the entirety of Craig's reign?

Some got off lightly, where their actions could be seen as happening "in the heat of battle" or were accidental in nature. Neither of these applied to Tambling's actions.

Tambling would never have played a single AFL game if he was as weak as you make him out to be. You're not far off the mark, which is why he probably won't ever play again. If he didn't break down due to Craig's comments, it was only a matter of time before something else was said that shattered his thin veneer of self confidence. AFL is not a game for the mentally weak or fragile.

 

[Vader]

That was madness. I was on the sack Neil bandwagon shortly afterwards, mostly because he seemed to have convinced himself that he could have a team of premiership-winning robot choirboys.

Let's not kid ourselves. Any AFL coach would have given Tambling both barrels for such an act of stupidity.

Don't get me wrong - the "toughness" DVD was embarrassing, but Tambling deserved everything that he received for his on field stupidity.

 

[Paladin]

He's there for one reason alone - the AFC gave him a 3-year contract when they traded for him. Were it not for the fact that he was contracted for 2013 then he would have been gone at the end of 2012.

I know facts aren't your strong suit but this is wrong. We have delisted plenty of contracted players in the past. If Sando thought Tambling had no future we would have paid him out (only a spare mill in the salary cap) and upgraded Laird or McIntyre.

Tambling retaliated to a behind the play hit and unluckily caught the St Kilda player in the face. Not worthy of a press conference/dvd presentation.

 

[Slippery Pete]

He's there for one reason alone - the AFC gave him a 3-year contract when they traded for him. Were it not for the fact that he was contracted for 2013 then he would have been gone at the end of 2012.

Fair enough.

 

[Vader]

I know facts aren't your strong suit but this is wrong. We have delisted plenty of contracted players in the past. If Sando thought Tambling had no future we would have paid him out (only a spare mill in the salary cap) and upgraded Laird or McIntyre.

Tambling retaliated to a behind the play hit and unluckily caught the St Kilda player in the face. Not worthy of a press conference/dvd presentation.

As far as I can recall, the only contracted players the AFC has ever delisted have either been 1st year players on minimum contract (eg Tom Lee), or those who chose to retire while still under contract (eg McGregor). They were never going to delist Tambling while still under contract, because they would have had to include his sizeable 2013 salary under the 2012 salary cap.

There was nothing unlucky about Tambling's shot, where exactly do you think he was aiming? It was the blow of a mentally weak player - yes, his opponent struck him first, in an attempt to get a mentally weak opponent to react. Tambling did just that - and got himself reported in the process.

Was it worthy of a press conference? On it's own, no. But the coach is bound to react when asked about the incident in the post-match press conference, which is compulsory attendance for the senior coach. I doubt any other AFL coach would have reacted differently, given the stupidity of Tambling's actions.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

And pointing out the stupidity of Tambling's actions, in getting reported and suspended, was about the only thing Craig did right with that DVD. God knows the "tough actions" part of it, showing Doughty's spoiling prowess, wasn't pretty to behold.

Tambling wasn't shattered by Craig's actions. He wasn't playing that well to begin with - and then he collapsed completely because he's a mentally weak footballer (like McKernan). Tambling's weakness is his own problem, not Craig's. If a footballer can't handle some home truths when he does something monumentally stupid and gets suspended for it, then he has no place playing football at the highest levels.

Stop making excuses for Tambling. He doesn't deserve them.

No, it is Pontius Pilate's problem. He recruited him therefore he has a fair bit of responsibility to fix flaws....he is the coach after all. When you have a player with confidence issues the last thing you do is treat him like that, it was stupidity at best. Pontius could have handled it much differently behind closed doors without humiliating a person down on confidence.

Unfortunately this is an outcome of Pontius Pilates's quest to build a team of choir boys. Can't remember the last team of choir boys that won a GF though.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Is this a new nickname for Neil, or I did I miss the memo? I don't mind it.

I'm happy to continue with it if you are

 

[Vader]

No, it is Pontius Pilate's problem. He recruited him therefore he has a fair bit of responsibility to fix flaws....he is the coach after all. When you have a player with confidence issues the last thing you do is treat him like that, it was stupidity at best. Pontius could have handled it much differently behind closed doors without humiliating a person down on confidence.

Unfortunately this is an outcome of Pontius Pilates's quest to build a team of choir boys. Can't remember the last team of choir boys that won a GF though.

I'm not sure how much influence Craig had in Tambling's recruitment. I know there was a lot of pressure from the management side to land a high quality non-South Australian player, for the club's image as much as anything. From what I have heard, his recruitment was against the wishes of Rendell. I do recall Craig being involved in the process, convincing Tambling that he would fit in at the Crows. Whether he had anything to do with the player selection side of things is unknown to me.

Craig could have handled things differently, but why should he? He was angry and he was asked a direct question. He let fly with both barrels, at a player who had got himself suspended for 2 weeks through an act of ill-disciplined stupidity. If there was one thing that Craig was always strong on, it was team discipline - and he felt that Tambling had let both him (Craig) and the team down, as a result of his undisciplined actions.

If Tambling is that mentally weak that a spray from the coach was going to knock him completely off his perch, then I doubt it would have made any difference whether that spray came behind closed doors or out in the public arena. Either way, he was entirely deserving of the spray he received. Even if he hadn't copped the spray, how long would it have been before one of his opponents or the media sledged him in a way that knocked him off his foundation? Mentally weak players have no place in the AFL and Tambling is mentally weak.

As for this choir boys rubbish.. you really have no understanding of what Craig's philosophy was at all.. do you? Craig was all for toughness at the ball and praised it in his team. What he couldn't stand was ill-disciplined play that resulted in players getting suspended. His view was that losing a player to suspension hurt the entire team, because it meant that we had a fit player who would otherwise have been selected sitting on the sidelines. By definition that made the selected team weaker than it could have been. He viewed this as an act of selfishness, very much against what is/was best for the team. End result: Adelaide's teams were always highly disciplined and rarely had a player cited by the MRP, despite playing a particularly physical brand of football during his first few years (before retirements saw the mature hard bodied players replaced by immature and less hardened youngsters). Yes, Craig's brand of footy became less physical as the years progressed - to the point where the team were almost "soft", but that only happened in the last couple of years of his reign.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Last time I checked, Neil Craig wasn't at the Adelaide Crows any more and until Richard Tambling is actually selected to play for the Crows, he doesn't have a very good current history of representing the club, therefore he will be a very good player for Sturt.