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it just shit and there won't be any change. The locked in for 2 more years head coach also says hi
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Think what it shows is other clubs, like Richmond, have a higher standard than us.
As ED pointed out, Hardwick made finals 2 out of his first 5 years. Despite this Hardwick was still at risk of being sacked, he knew he had to turn it around quickly and he did.
Whereas our club extended someone who in 5 years, their best finish was 10th, and quite comfortably the worst coach we've ever had.
Dislike Port as much as anyone here, and yeah their finals record isn't great, but at least they make changes.
Their list turnover is aggressive, they move on players who are no longer part of their plans, target and acquire players (TBC if they're good or not), now they're at a point where they can consistently qualify for finals.
Their coach has gotten them into finals 4/5 years and there is still (justified) talk about whether or not he should be sacked.
Hawks just proved with a right system, coaching, development, recruitment and gameplan, rebuilds don't need to be 5+ years.
We're sitting 15th after a 5 year rebuild, 7 year absence from finals, some blame the list quality and injuries, others blame the coaches, development and recruitment and yet we've made stuff all significant changes in any of those areas.
The standards between our club and others is stark.
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I think the margin is getting closer than some want to admit
We have one short term assessment v well over twice the time assessment
I dont think its nonsense to consider it
Probably a bit too young at the time to remember Shaw in detail, but I'd take 2 years of shit and a massive cleanout as opposed to Nick's 5 and nothing changing.
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Shaw had a far better list than Nicks has and needed to go.
We did draft Goodwin, Edwards, McLeod, Caven, Vardy, D Jarman, Bond and Johnson under his watch so its hard to be upset.
Add that to Hart, Smart, Ricciuto, Bickley, Rehn, Jameson, Modra and Robran.
I think we can debate who is worse between Nicks and Shaw.
Perhaps I should've said statistically, W/L record, Nicks is the worse coach we've had and he's had a go at it for 5 years.
The main point of my message was that our standards are low compared to other teams.
If the list is lame, is that a recruitment and development issue? If it's one of both, we haven't made any meaningful changes.
There are those who argue we've got a talented list, so is it the coaches or gameplan?
You said Nicks has done fairly well, I might agree if the standard I was hoping for the club to achieve was to be slightly better than they were in 95-96.
The problem is the longevity.
If we still had people the likes of Sanders and Hammond around Nicks wouldve been sacked by now.
Well he didnt really have Rehn, and Modra was injured a bit there too.
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They were the beginning of the list. Imagine he had 5 years with that list is he better or still worse?
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Club Champion: 2024 Matthew Nicks Speech
https://www.afc.com.au/video/167343...-speech?videoId=1673435&modal=true&type=video
Wow, what a tosser. Having a crack at critics. No Flyhead, you don’t need to be in the inner circle to know you ****ed up our gameplan, match ups, selection.
You have no ****ing right to act all pissed off you tosser.
https://www.afc.com.au/video/167343...-speech?videoId=1673435&modal=true&type=video
Wow, what a tosser. Having a crack at critics. No Flyhead, you don’t need to be in the inner circle to know you ****ed up our gameplan, match ups, selection.
You have no ****ing right to act all pissed off you tosser.
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Yep, clearly Ken’s apprentice
I didn't hear it that way. What I was hearing is that a lot of soul searching within the club has been done. That this has happened seems to be evident in appointments such as Murray coming on as a part of the coaching team and our aggression in attracting three high quality ready to go trade/free agency inclusions.
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You reckon? He said their results invited critics, failure is not sticking to the plan and giving up, then went on to say they know what’s going on internally.
I can’t put myself to listen to him again so be interested in others take.
they were moved on but im talking about the same players in 96 that then played 97/98
those players were all said to be shit in 96. actually the coach was shit
we never used to be like this. we used to be ruthless. covid changed us somehow for the worse
It looks amazing on paper now and I don't know how old you are but in 1996 it was said to be a shit list, club hit absolute rock bottom and there was rocks flying left right and centre. everyone got sacked
the point is those same guys you list the next year with someone who knew what they were doing won GF x 2.
None of this made a final, next year won a final, year after regressed, year after that made a prelim, year after lose a GF, year after win GF.
it was we are shit, win a GF, and then another.
what changed? coach, gameplan
what didn't? players. we dont know if we have a great list or a shit list because weve never seen anyone else coach this bloody list.
This is a common misconception. You are looking at all those names with hindsight. I lived through it.
1. Rehn had two Knee Reconstructions ver 95 and 96.
2. It was McLeods debut years and averaged 10 disposals a game.
3. Shaw had a mandate to turn over the squad and play younger players which Blight benefited from, the problem was it alienated all those senior players and leaders from the Original squad and they literally did their best to run Shaw out of town by taking the piss. Im talking McDermott, McGuiness, Andrew Jarman. Andrew Jarman was the ring leader and he openly was a bully to every young player to walk through the doors at the Crows. He was not a well liked team mate. So Shaw was up against it and never had stood a chance and the club hung him out to dry.
Fine to have a crack at critics, but if you're going to do it.... you'd better come to the table with something better than that. I get it's what you do at a club dinner, and he's certainly not the first bloke to do it but that was not a good watch.
He's a man under pressure and he knows it.
He's a man under pressure and he knows it.
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Any ruthlessness we once had was long dead well before COVID
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