Opinion No Opp. Supporters - Ampol Sponsorship: A Bridge too Far

[cookie monster]

Blue and Silver I hope you don't use any petroleum products in your daily life

 

[Blue and Blue]

I fully understand where the OP is coming from and it's an important thing as far as our planet goes long term.
But I am wondering what is different between Ampol and Hyundai...cars that use the stuf that Ampol provide.
Nobody seems to take umbrage at that sponsorship.

 

[branedotorg]

I do think it's important to note that your membership is the strongest way of showing the club how you feel about topics, from pokies to sponsors to social programs.

You as a member provide significant financial support and also own part of the club, withholding that is power that only members have.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I fully understand where the OP is coming from and it's an important thing as far as our planet goes long term.
But I am wondering what is different between Ampol and Hyundai...cars that use the stuf that Ampol provide.
Nobody seems to take umbrage at that sponsorship.

I won't make an argument for a rational decision here.

This just felt like it was too far for me

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[KohPhi]

This is an outrage..
I'm going to head down to the Club in my MB C63 AMG V8 and give them my 2 cents worth..

 

[lily of laguna]

I'm heavily invested in many Lithium producers/developers/explorers, both here and abroad.
Saw the writing on the wall nearly a decade ago that we were going to transition to EV'S....however let's not kid ourselves, mining the stuff via hardrock (with is the prevalent method in Aus) or through brine extraction and chemical processing (prevalent in Sth America) is NOT environmentally friendly.
Those who think they're saving the planet by driving EV's are living in La La Land

It depends, are there dramatic impacts of mining any resource, yes indeed.

The continual extraction of oil, gas and coal is an ongoing process because as a fuel it is burnt and needs replacement.

Extracting lithium, nickel and other metals used in batteries can and will continue to be recycled over and over.

Redwood materials (amongst others) in the US already recycle all types of lithium batteries and not only capture almost all of the materials, it is a much cheaper and less impactful method of producing battery grade material than virgin extraction and refining.




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[teagueyubeauty]

I fully understand where the OP is coming from and it's an important thing as far as our planet goes long term.
But I am wondering what is different between Ampol and Hyundai...cars that use the stuf that Ampol provide.
Nobody seems to take umbrage at that sponsorship.

Or Virgin

Or Trip a Deal

Both sponsors that directly or indirectly would use a shitload of the stuff to make their business models work and likely to be still using a shitload of it in 50 years and beyond


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[lily of laguna]

Do people actually realise how many essential products to our daily lives require oil? Serious question…..it’s not just fuel

That is a bit of a straw man argument, no one is saying it’s not a valuable resource, it’s just pretty silly to constantly burn it when there are increasingly more efficient ways to get the same functionality, that doesn’t poison the air we breathe in our densely packed cities




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[Bamboo Harvester]

Bit disappointing....I was hoping for Benson and Hedges

 

[Arr0w]

Wow, this escalated quickly

I think I could go through every single clubs sponsor/business and find an aspect of that business that would be detrimental to people, climate or a section of society

So on this subject, is there anyone here that isn't currently reliant on fossil fuels?

I'd say not

 

[BluStreak]

Can you provide verifiable evidence of hectares of trees being cut down for renewables and no I don’t mean some trees per hectare.


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[Blue and Blue]

Wow, this escalated quickly

I think I could go through every single clubs sponsor/business and find an aspect of that business that would be detrimental to people, climate or a section of society

So on this subject, is there anyone here that isn't currently reliant on fossil fuels?

I'd say not

Unleaded Brylcreem....I do my bit for the planet.......

 

[bradfisher14]

Wow, this escalated quickly

I think I could go through every single clubs sponsor/business and find an aspect of that business that would be detrimental to people, climate or a section of society

So on this subject, is there anyone here that isn't currently reliant on fossil fuels?

I'd say not

This is the exact type of rhetoric that keeps us from making meaningful progress on this issue.

It’s well established that big corporations (such as Ampol and by association the Carlton Football Club) are responsible for the overwhelming majority of emissions and creating a system in which all individuals are reliant on fossil fuels every day. Therefore it is incumbent on us as individuals to put pressure on them/governments to make the necessary progress toward a sustainable model.

This holier than thou finger pointing about whether or not an individual is practicing sustainability is exactly what corporations want us to do. In the meantime they continue to profit off creating a planet that will be unliveable in the future.

Please do better.

 

[agro]

As someone elsewhere has pointed out - the same members who have an issue with Ampol as sponsor - do they have the same issue with Hyundai being a sponsor for nearly 30 years?

 

[thylacine60]

gotta say, I can sleep at night if a vegan wears a leather belt or an animal welfare activist demolishes the odd steak - just as some suggest we basically have to be naked and living in a cave on dirt and condensation before we can protest harmful products, can I suggest each and every one of us lives with hypocrisy, somewhere, somehow.........can I? well? can I?

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

I’m waiting for our Hemp jumpers to be released

 

[Funk]

They had an anti-Woodside group against their sponsorship recently.

Hmmmmm - was it held in the driveway of the Woodside CEO’s house??????

 

[Arr0w]

This is the exact type of rhetoric that keeps us from making meaningful progress on this issue.

It’s well established that big corporations (such as Ampol and by association the Carlton Football Club) are responsible for the overwhelming majority of emissions and creating a system in which all individuals are reliant on fossil fuels every day. Therefore it is incumbent on us as individuals to put pressure on them/governments to make the necessary progress toward a sustainable model.

This holier than thou finger pointing about whether or not an individual is practicing sustainability is exactly what corporations want us to do. In the meantime they continue to profit off creating a planet that will be unliveable in the future.

Please do better.

See, it's the exact opposite

You want change, it start with every single person, to put pressure on corporations

Those that drive diesel/petrol vehicles, rather than trading them in for electric, but preach a greener lifestyle

I won't list every single thing that would impact your normal way of life on a daily basis without fossil fuels, but what next boycott supermarkets until deliveries arrive in a greener form?

Every hour of your day is made easier because of fossil fuels whether we like it or not

Do better, or practice what you preach?

 

[ctwenty1]

This is the exact type of rhetoric that keeps us from making meaningful progress on this issue.

It’s well established that big corporations (such as Ampol and by association the Carlton Football Club) are responsible for the overwhelming majority of emissions and creating a system in which all individuals are reliant on fossil fuels every day. Therefore it is incumbent on us as individuals to put pressure on them/governments to make the necessary progress toward a sustainable model.

This holier than thou finger pointing about whether or not an individual is practicing sustainability is exactly what corporations want us to do. In the meantime they continue to profit off creating a planet that will be unliveable in the future.

Please do better.

Emissions are currently at 75% of 2005 levels in Oz. the economy has grown etc etc. And guess what, the trend down will continue.

The transition is underway, and corporations will deliver that more than governments. Net zero does not mean no carbon emissions FYI, just means you might need to strip some out of the atmosphere.

This simplistic argument of evil corporations etc blah blah blah- the largest command and control economy has CO2 emissions rising significantly despite all its supposed solar and wind investments.

The low hanging fruit of emissions reductions is relatively easy- however 100% stable electricity supply from only renewables plus battery back up will be expensive, particularly when you consider the network build that will be required (worth noting the already growing community opposition to having that infrastructure in their backyard). And then add electrification of transport and domestic gas use, and you only add to the challenge. And by the way, this needs to happen across the globe.

To be clear, I’m not doubting the need to transition. What is not widely understood is just how complex and expensive it will be. Simple arguments like “corporations turning profits” etc help no one.

Inefficient withdrawal of fossil fuels from the economy will, other than the obvious detriment to the economy, actually harm the transition. People want secure energy- we want it on demand- if a sector leaves early because of policy, and the alternative is not ready, what do you think will happen?

 

[BlueGum]

See, it's the exact opposite

You want change, it start with every single person, to put pressure on corporations

Those that drive diesel/petrol vehicles, rather than trading them in for electric, but preach a greener lifestyle

I won't list every single thing that would impact your normal way of life on a daily basis without fossil fuels, but what next boycott supermarkets until deliveries arrive in a greener form?

Every hour of your day is made easier because of fossil fuels whether we like it or not

Do better, or practice what you preach?

Or you keep asking for safer alternatives to move the transition along. Status quo ain't the best option for the grandkids.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

See, it's the exact opposite

You want change, it start with every single person, to put pressure on corporations

Those that drive diesel/petrol vehicles, rather than trading them in for electric, but preach a greener lifestyle

I won't list every single thing that would impact your normal way of life on a daily basis without fossil fuels, but what next boycott supermarkets until deliveries arrive in a greener form?

Every hour of your day is made easier because of fossil fuels whether we like it or not

Do better, or practice what you preach?

The fact we have an annual game each which tries to promote stamping out violence against women/children and families (Carlton Respects) and an officially club endorsed and supported LGBTI supporters group (Carlton Pride) suggests the club has become a lot more progressive and liberal (from the social form of the term, not the Aussie political lingo)

I too would like us to finally wean ourselves off the toxic Dalek gambling machines (Pokies) but Rome wasn't built in a day.

The club is making (as far as I can ascertain) to be a more socially conscious club than any time in our recorded history.

I did greatly enjoy the unique Ampol ride exhibit at Sydney's sadly now defunct Wonderland. I once spent all day riding those unique cars (I was nine)

Not everything Ampol has done is bad

 

[Arr0w]

Or you keep asking for safer alternatives to move the transition along. Status quo ain't the best option for the grandkids.

Asking will do little, it's money

Boycott products manufactured directly or indirectly from fossil fuels and you drive change

Would I prefer the club aligns itself with different sponsors, sure, but moan about it while relying on fossil fuels for my everyday life?

Wondering how many employees who drive a company vehicle, would tell their employer that if it isn't a green option they would hand it back

 

[BlueGum]

Asking will do like, it's money

Boycott products manufactured directly or indirectly from fossil fuels and you drive change

Would I prefer the club aligns itself with different sponsors, sure, but moan about it while relying on fossil fuels for my everyday life?

Wondering how many employees who drive a company vehicle, would tell their employer that if it isn't a green option they would hand it back

So essentially you're saying no one has the right to want change because we all rely on fossil fuels today?

This is an awesome opportunity for innovation and breakthroughs. More power to those seeking it. We're in the difficult in between bit where change is hard and divisive.

 

[Arr0w]

So essentially you're saying no one has the right to want change because we all rely on fossil fuels today?

Not at all, but if you want change, it's more about actions than statements

This is an awesome opportunity for innovation and breakthroughs. More power to those seeking it. We're in the difficult in between bit where change is hard and divisive.

I agree

 

[BlueGum]

Not at all, but if you want change, it's more about actions than statements



I agree

B&S didn't act? There's a whole web of life around fossil fuels. Action should and can happen in many places.