MFC Fans Only Non-Dees Footy Chat 2022

[Topkent]

Yeah but I don't think pick 1 should be a priority pick. End of first and you have to trade it.

Yeah nah that's rubbish

 

[ImissFrosty]

Yeah nah that's rubbish

getting an established B grade player would do more for a club than a no.1 pick coming into a shithole

 

[Lampers]

Yeah but I don't think pick 1 should be a priority pick. End of first and you have to trade it.

I think instead of a priority pick the team struggling should have the ability to sign a set number of out of contract non-free agent players as if they are free agents.

Maybe the AFL even allow players to break contract and be signed by the struggling club, perhaps with a concept where the prior year’s premier can protect only 18 players against that, the runners up 19 players protected, and so-on so other weaker teams can’t be raided.

Then the team losing a player gets the free agency compensation pick - which is effectively like a traded priority pick.

That way the weak team is more likely to be able to bring in a couple of ready made senior players who can help them onfield in the short term, and it’s also far more likely they bring those players in from what was a stronger team from the prior season.

To play that through, North lure James Harmes with the promise of starting midfield role and more cash, or maybe it’s Spargo or Sparrow or ANB or Jordon. Melbourne get a compensation pick at 19 which helps to bring in a decent 18 year old, plus get some salary cap relief by losing the established player’s contract.

 

[Topkent]

getting an established B grade player would do more for a club than a no.1 pick coming into a shithole

Then give them salary cap room. Having an asset you HAVE to trade takes away all its power.

 

[ImissFrosty]

I think instead of a priority pick the team struggling should have the ability to sign a set number of out of contract non-free agent players as if they are free agents.

Maybe the AFL even allow players to break contract and be signed by the struggling club, perhaps with a concept where the prior year’s premier can protect only 18 players against that, the runners up 19 players protected, and so-on so other weaker teams can’t be raided.

Then the team losing a player gets the free agency compensation pick - which is effectively like a traded priority pick.

That way the weak team is more likely to be able to bring in a couple of ready made senior players who can help them onfield in the short term, and it’s also far more likely they bring those players in from what was a stronger team from the prior season.

To play that through, North lure James Harmes with the promise of starting midfield role and more cash, or maybe it’s Spargo or Sparrow or ANB or Jordon. Melbourne get a compensation pick at 19 which helps to bring in a decent 18 year old, plus get some salary cap relief by losing the established player’s contract.

good theory but would be impossible to implement

 

[ImissFrosty]

Then give them salary cap room. Having an asset you HAVE to trade takes away all its power.

helps attract free agents but the contracts would have to be front loaded because what happens when they take the extra room away? The money can't just disappear

 

[Lampers]

good theory but would be impossible to implement

I stole it a bit from US sport new team expansion draft concept.

I agree with you that it would be near impossible to implement because in US sport culturally players expect to move without having any say in it.

Culturally, and from AFLPA perspective, I don’t think it would fly in the AFL.

 

[Topkent]

helps attract free agents but the contracts would have to be front loaded because what happens when they take the extra room away? The money can't just disappear

Give them a tapering cap. Give em an extra 700k over 3 years and slowly taper it back as they get better.

 

[ImissFrosty]

I stole it a bit from US sport new team expansion draft concept.

I agree with you that it would be near impossible to implement because in US sport culturally players expect to move without having any say in it.

Culturally, and from AFLPA perspective, I don’t think it would fly in the AFL.

yeah the AFLPA need some serious reform to their views on player movement. Control has to go to the clubs

 

[ImissFrosty]

Give them a tapering cap. Give em an extra 700k over 3 years and slowly taper it back as they get better.

or you could just give them a lump sum maybe. Here's a million, get some players

 

[Lampers]

Then give them salary cap room. Having an asset you HAVE to trade takes away all its power.

I don’t reckon it takes away all its power, but it does rely on there being a market of at least two bidders keen to acquire the pick. So these must-be-traded picks would need to be tasty.

The mini-draft picks Gold Coast and GWS were given were a bit like this concept, and those clubs got good value for them.

 

[Lampers]

yeah the AFLPA need some serious reform to their views on player movement. Control has to go to the clubs

Free agency is all wrong here.

Prior to free agency the clubs should “own” the players. Trade them anywhere, with the player only guaranteed the money in their contract. The player’s reward for loss of personal agency is after X years of service to the league (not a club) the player can pick and choose what you want as a free agent.

The genie is out of the bottle though, the time to set that system up was when free agency was introduced.

 

[Topkent]

I don’t reckon it takes away all its power, but it does rely on there being a market of at least two bidders keen to acquire the pick. So these must-be-traded picks would need to be tasty.

The mini-draft picks Gold Coast and GWS were given were a bit like this concept, and those clubs got good value for them.

They were 17 year old access picks though, nothing like that is going to be available.
It's also relying on 2 clubs bidding then actually having a player who wants to leave to the shit club. Can't just go oi Harmes off ya go to north he can say no.

Honestly neither are solutions. They need to get a top line footy department and list manager. North created their own problems ****ing off every senior player they had. There gonna get stuck at the bottom for 5 years again

 

[Lampers]

They were 17 year old access picks though, nothing like that is going to be available.
It's also relying on 2 clubs bidding then actually having a player who wants to leave to the shit club. Can't just go oi Harmes off ya go to north he can say no.

Honestly neither are solutions. They need to get a top line footy department and list manager. North created their own problems ******* off every senior player they had. There gonna get stuck at the bottom for 5 years again

I agree, with the current contracts and culture it would be very difficult to get a quality senior player to agree to move to create the bidding war and a market for the must-be-traded priority pick.

Ultimately Melbourne proved the fallacy of priority picks spent on 18 year olds = success.

Like you said, it was getting competent people in key roles off field, and giving them space and time to fix things that did the trick. Plus a bit of luck doesn’t go astray either.

 

[Topkent]

I agree, with the current contracts and culture it would be very difficult to get a quality senior player to agree to move to create the bidding war and a market for the must-be-traded priority pick.

Ultimately Melbourne proved the fallacy of priority picks spent on 18 year olds = success.

Like you said, it was getting competent people in key roles off field, and giving them space and time to fix things that did the trick. Plus a bit of luck doesn’t go astray either.

Vince, Cross, Tyson, Pedo, Melksham etc did just as much to get us up the ladder as Trac, Gus and Oliver etc. North's kids don't have to be better than anyone to get a game they just have to exist.

You do clearly have to hit the draft hard at some point over a 2-3 year period but you need a solid core around them

 

[Bluelegs]

getting an established B grade player would do more for a club than a no.1 pick coming into a shithole

Neither addresses the problem of a club being stuck in a death spiral. What's some 18 year old or bog-averege player gonna do to fix that if the club is a complete mess in other areas.

 

[Topkent]

Neither addresses the problem of a club being stuck in a death spiral. What's some 18 year old gonna do to fix that if the club is a complete mess in other areas.

Yeah it's a strange coincidence that when we were a bad club all our draft picks failed, and now that we are a good club they all hit

 

[Dory_77]

GC were given a spur of the moment assistance package in 2019 with PPs and extra cap and it's not stopped them being mediocre. Still relatively early to call, but the problems run deeper than one or two high picks or a wad of cash can fix.
TK's right that you need the whole club working well with the right people for it to achieve results.

 

[Bluelegs]

Anyway back to channel 10 nostalgia.

Quarters ripping into the goal umpire for a massive howler, while Blight and Walls give the meekest of defences.



Think this was the event that saw the goal review come in too.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

All the boos from the Geelong fans...."I was saying Boo-urns"

 

[Bluelegs]

All the boos from the Geelong fans...."I was saying Boo-urns"

Quarters calling for the umpire to be drawn and quartered why Blight and Walls go "Cmon mate he's got kids to feed."

 

[stEdy]

And Trav Cloke kicking it OOF from a set shot. Nostalgia overload

 

[Toump Ass]

Instead of Priority Picks I think we should just send shit clubs to Tasmania.
Welcome to AFL North Tasmania Kangaroo Devil

If Suns are shit then they move and become Golden North Tasmania Kangaroo Devil Sun etc.

**** 'em.

 

[Proper Gander]

imagine Clayton as a commentator, he'd make me pine for Nathan Jones.

Clarry as a commentator would be hilarious. Probably I’d only want that for a cameo in one game tops though

 

[Proper Gander]

They were 17 year old access picks though, nothing like that is going to be available.
It's also relying on 2 clubs bidding then actually having a player who wants to leave to the shit club. Can't just go oi Harmes off ya go to north he can say no.

Honestly neither are solutions. They need to get a top line footy department and list manager. North created their own problems ******* off every senior player they had. There gonna get stuck at the bottom for 5 years again

I reckon the solution is a handicapping system with weights