Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2023, part I

[rocker_oz33]

I defy anyone to look at the angle behind Maynard and argue that he was legitimately going for the ball. He jumped directly at the body, while throwing his arms in the air to make it look like he was trying to smother.

I may not have played at AFL level, but I’ve played more than enough footy to know what a legitimate attempt to smother looks like… and that ain’t it.

I agree .


Alot of pies players play on the edge they get away with quiet alot .

Cox throwing elbows ,tired to break Tracc leg ,throws in knees here and there .

 

[feelinfeline]

These people who can’t fathom momentum should go try the triple jump without a run up.

Maybe they’ll get it.

I’ve seen enough long jump and triple jump to know people can project themselves forwards while in mid air.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

He ran at him from 20m away. Jumping straight in the air without forward momentum would have defied physics.

Rubbish, plant your feet and jump straight up. He chose to jump forward

 

[TEDDY24INC]

I’m going to leave this here as (1) I don’t care enough to go on with it and (2) the outcome is as I predicted and correct so I’ve got nothing to gain from arguing with the wrong side of history.

But duty of care does not mean never do anything that could accidentally result in a bad outcome. It has a specific meaning in law and this isn’t it. In jumping to smother the ball (which was his sole intention without any shadow of a doubt) Maynard could not have reasonably foreseen that things would unfold as they did and Brayshaw would be concussed.

That’s it from me on it.

You know why you never see incidents like this play out? Because players (ie the smotherers) know it is a reckless attempt by launching front on at a kicker who is wide open and defenceless

 

[Sticksman]

This decision might be enough for thousands more parents with young kids to steer them in the direction of soccer as the preferred school or weekend sport.

 

[Cattery]

Guess Maynard could have followed the advice of the AFL counsel Andrew Woods who said ................. "A player in this situation who wants to smother, it might just be too unsafe to do so, because of the forward trajectory,”

So overly vigorous tackling is banned, the bump is virtually banned, now attempting to smother (in certain circumstances) may come under scrutiny.

Correct decision in my opinion, accidents happen in football and this was one of those instances.

 

[Vdubs]

Interesting that Maynard’s dad, Peter, works for the Demons.
Been a very tough week for them and the Brayshaws- hope they both get to play prelims

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Can someone please explain to me how some people get to be board mods from other teams? It's absolutely bizarre the way some of them conduct themselves on the main board. Basically say whatever they want, knowing they're free from retribution. Never thought I'd see the day where a board mod would say 'triggered much' and swear at me because I disagreed with them.

Seriously would love some clarity on how these people get these positions?

Which post are you referring to?

 

[Goggin Our Best]

By the way - who is that bloke

Hopefully Richmonds new coach - telling the Tiger faithful that he has got a 37 year plan !!!!

 

[Shadow89]

Which post are you referring to?

Deleted my original post, not worth getting into as it's just another one of those things that make you want to stay away from the main board

 

[Chinacats]

Agree with that.
A deliberate, head high, cheap shot, behind the play is clearly a "football act".
Don't know what the game is coming to.

And right I was! Attempted smother deserves a suspension? Of course not! Feel for brayShaw though.

 

[Vdubs]

Just for a slight diversion, and hard to believe the answer is not obvious,
but

WHICH IS THE BEST MARTIN during 2023?
JACK, NICK, or DUSTY

 

[Chinacats]

Just for a slight diversion, and hard to believe the answer is not obvious,
but

WHICH IS THE BEST MARTIN during 2023?
JACK, NICK, or DUSTY

Dusty then Nick and third Jack.

 

[Shell]

Can we at least all agree Eddie McGuire is the biggest ****wit on the planet.

Definitely avoiding footy classifed and his fat head tonight

 

[Mr Meow]

Interesting that Maynard’s dad, Peter, works for the Demons.
Been a very tough week for them and the Brayshaws- hope they both get to play prelims

I suspect Melbourne will lose a close one and Brayshaw's absence will be felt.

Going to be an awkward one around the Christmas table this year, and Andrew's card to Brayden may even get lost in the mail.

 

[00VicWard001]

So we are suspending him for missing the smother?

He wasn’t really trying to smother though. That’s the football action he conveniently hid behind.

 

[BotsMaster]

Interesting that Maynard’s dad, Peter, works for the Demons.
Been a very tough week for them and the Brayshaws- hope they both get to play prelims

Melbourne will meet Brisbane in the Prelim. Not certain Angus will.

 

[patience]

Cleared?

Corruption

 

[00VicWard001]

"But duty of care does not mean never do anything that could accidentally result in a bad outcome" - correct. Legally its a positive duty to take all reasonable care to avoid causing a reasonably foreseeable negative outcome, that is applicable in specific situations.

In this case, it's being used in a colloquial (rather than legal, but no less real for these purposes) sense to describe the onus on footballers to avoid actions that cause situations where it is reasonably foreseeable that bodily harm would come to another player.

When Maynard left the ground he was front on with his arms in the air, and when he collided with Brayshaw his body was closed and he led with his shoulder. Which means that at some point he changed his body position in such a way that it was reasonably foreseeable that serious bodily harm would come to Brayshaw. He could've come down with his arms out wide, as he was when his feet left the ground. He could've even tackled him, which would've been much less likely to knock him out cold.

And the fact that he changed his body position means that at some point he made a decision to do so. He argued that he didn't have time to make that decision in mid air and it was pure instinct to protect himself, but I call BS on that. Brayshaw was the vulnerable one, not Maynard. Maynard was initiating the contact.

And in fact I would even suggest that Maynard's decision was not necessarily made in mid air. When you look at the camera angle from behind Maynard, he actually jumps well to the left of where the ball went. If he was really trying to smother he would've jumped to the right and gone across Brayshaw's boot, which might explain why Brayshaw held his line - to avoid where he reasonably expected a smothering opponent to be. But Maynard wasn't there, he was in his face. So I think Maynard was actually trying to take the body first and the ball second.

[edited for clarity; point remains the same]

100% and everyone is giving him the benefit of the doubt - except the Melbourne players who know exactly what he did.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Interesting that Maynard’s dad, Peter, works for the Demons.
Been a very tough week for them and the Brayshaws- hope they both get to play prelims

Brayshaw might not play again.
And Maynard brought him wine and flowers .What guy wants flowers and wine ?
Was Maynard trying to pick of he's misses

 

[rocker_oz33]

A criminal lawyer yo.

 

[BotsMaster]

 

[Vdubs]

Brayshaw might not play again.
And Maynard brought him wine and flowers .What guy wants flowers and wine ?
Was Maynard trying to pick of he's misses

The flowers were for the Brayshaw girlfriend.
Head collisions in footy have been his issue, as they were for Kade Kolodjasnij, and m any others.
They happen, and it's sad, but it was accidental

 

[PzBlinky]

The best social media in the comp by the length of the MCG.

 

[Baudolino]

Anyone else watching the interview with Bomber Thompson on Footy Classified?

So good to see him again! I know he's a strange unit but I ****ing love this man. Absolute Cats legend.