Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2024, Part I

[Mr Meow]

I do feel for Brisbane- something NQR there. Really thought they were primed for this seasn. Now even GC next week would highly rate their chances

Yep, Gold Coast could basically end Brisbane's season next week. Could be a spicy Q-clash.

 

[Vdubs]

For obvious reasons they were always very talented. And from Sheedy they had a better platform than the Suns ever had. But Leon Cameron wasn't the right man for thereafter and their brilliance quickly wilted when the heat got turned up at various stages of the next few years. They used to be dreadful on the road. But slowly their culture has landed on them as a daring, hard working team who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty. And their veterans who have remained from the early days have driven that.

So I agree...as much as you can ever get behind an expansion team mopping up all the talent for years and years...they have ended up good to watch. And they have something about them, which ultimately Gold Coast are still searching for.

and dare I say it again, that brilliant song?

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Brisbane were insipid last night. Something wrong at that club.

 

[Gunf]

Brisbane were insipid last night. Something wrong at that club.

It's name is Fagan

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It's name is Fagan

It feels like his strategic answer to everything is "Hey guys, go out there and football as hard you can"

 

[BotsMaster]

I think aside from Adelaide, all of Geelong's wins feel like they've been diminished somewhat.

 

[dangerwood]

Brisbane were insipid last night. Something wrong at that club.

They're a bunch of w***ers.
I actually don't know that but there's something so unlikeable about them for several years.
Captains Neale and Andrews, great players but they are both smart arses. Like having Milburn and Chapman as captains (not quite but can't think of a better example). Zorko former captain a smart arse.
Gone now but the barometer and floginson were w***ers. Cameron's a smart arse.
Daniher and Hipwood are flakey as all get out.
I'm being facetious and basing judgement on a superficial impression but for a long time they just seem an untrustworthy bunch.

 

[cats_09]

Gotta love the GWS social media team

 

[dangerwood]

I think aside from Adelaide, all of Geelong's wins feel like they've been diminished somewhat.

I don't think we can get too ahead of ourselves but when people reference the position on the ladder of the teams we've beaten, that's also a result of the fact we beat them, particularly this early in the season.

 

[cats_09]

I think aside from Adelaide, all of Geelong's wins feel like they've been diminished somewhat.

St Kilda beat the reigning premiers the week after we beat them - surely that counts for something

 

[Cataholic]

Brisbane were insipid last night. Something wrong at that club.

I got bored with the game and turned it off.

 

[Gunf]

I don't think we can get too ahead of ourselves but when people reference the position on the ladder of the teams we've beaten, that's also a result of the fact we beat them, particularly this early in the season.

Yep

Give all the sides we have beat an extra win and us a loss and see what it does to the ladder

 

[Mr Meow]

Yep

Give all the sides we have beat an extra win and us a loss and see what it does to the ladder

In St Kilda and Adelaide's case we got their season off to a start with a loss.

In Bulldogs and Brisbane's case we cut off their momentum and they were shocking the next week.

North Melbourne and Hawthorn would just perform poorly in any case.

So yeah, some sides playing GWS, Carlton and Geelong are having poor records exactly because they have played those sides.

 

[Romeoh1]

GWS in good shape. Brissy were rubbish. Pies hanging in there and bombers on the improve- actually thought they made a few mistakes that proved costly- would have won otherwise. What a fabulous game to watch though.

 

[Strange Cat]

Brisbane were insipid last night. Something wrong at that club.

Fitness and gameplan is out of synch…they have climbed the mountain too many times with no success it was bound to come crashing with that list eventually

 

[Hamingja]

And for Brisbane, a smaller pre-season like us after 2022. The Lions aren't looking that fit this year. They have also been very inefficient. No Ashcroft or Coleman. Losing early games then having to attempt a recovery. These things add up. It happened to us last year, although we salvaged things to go 5-3 before further stacks of injuries destroyed us.

I have been meaning to look into the actual dates the season has started etc but I feel this is massive for the GF teams now. At some point they reduced the number of pre season games, then they have added Gather round, then they have added round zero. The pre season is continuously shrinking and that really tightens things up for the GF teams. Anecdotally I would say the GF teams have all been disappointing the next year since the last Tigers back to back flag? Fixture plays its part as well of course but when opposition clubs get an extra 2-3-4 weeks pre season over a shortened pre season overall it has to have an amplified effect in comparison to previous seasons.

 

[standupand]

Gotta love the GWS social media team

It's funny because its not us, but if they put something like that out after beating us in a final, I'm going to want to smash my computer screen.

 

[catempire]

I have been meaning to look into the actual dates the season has started etc but I feel this is massive for the GF teams now. At some point they reduced the number of pre season games, then they have added Gather round, then they have added round zero. The pre season is continuously shrinking and that really tightens things up for the GF teams. Anecdotally I would say the GF teams have all been disappointing the next year since the last Tigers back to back flag? Fixture plays its part as well of course but when opposition clubs get an extra 2-3-4 weeks pre season over a shortened pre season overall it has to have an amplified effect in comparison to previous seasons.

Last decade:

2014 Premiers: Hawthorn (2015 Flag)
2015 Premiers: Hawthorn (2016 Semi Final)
2016 Premiers: Western Bulldogs (2017 10th)
2017 Premiers: Richmond (2018 Prelim)
2018 Premiers: West Coast (2019 Semi Final)
2019 Premiers: Richmond (2020 Premiers)
2020 Premiers: Richmond (2021 12th)
2021 Premiers: Melbourne (2022 Semi Final)
2022 Premiers: Geelong (2023 11th)
2023 Premiers: Collingwood (2024 currently 8th)

 

[terry_bright]

It feels like his strategic answer to everything is "Hey guys, go out there and football as hard you can"

Same goes for Ken Hinkley.
Coaches too much on emotion and becomes tactically inept against decent opposition.
And to think some people on here wanted him to replace Scott. Laughable

 

[terry_bright]

Same goes for Ken Hinkley.
Coaches too much on emotion and becomes tactically inept against decent opposition.
And to think some people on here wanted him to replace Scott. Laughable

PORT ADELAIDE UNDER HINKLEY


Win-loss records v Top 4
2023: 2-3
2022: 1-5
2021: 1-3
2020: 2-3
2019: 1-5
2018: 1-4
2017: 0-5
2016: 0-5
2015: 3-4
2014: 4-4
2013: 1-5

Win-loss records v Top 8
2023: 5-5
2022: 2-10
2021: 5-5
2020: 5-4
2019: 3-7
2018: 3-6
2017: 2-8
2016: 1-9
2015: 6-7
2014: 5-7
2013: 3-8

Only 1 season where Hinkley has had more wins than losses against top 8 teams (2020, the Covid season) in 11 completed seasons.
That's beyond bad.

 

[Catman]

I think aside from Adelaide, all of Geelong's wins feel like they've been diminished somewhat.

Only because that's the narrative everyone outside of Geelong wants to drive.

 

[Footy Smarts]

The six teams we've played so far have won a collective 9 games out of 37.

If we're 6-0 by definition our opponents have gone 0-6 so including them is pretty misleading. So they've won 9 of a collective 31 in their other games this year. Which is still ordinary.

But everyone knows North and an understrength Hawthorn are shit. We beat them both easily despite missing Guthrie and Danger and managing a bunch of other players. They've gone 1-9 in their non-Geelong games.

So the other 4 teams have gone 8 from 22 in their non-Geelong games. Which isn't great but isn't terrible. 2 of those games were on the road. Going 4-0 through them is pretty decent.

Honestly I don't know how good we are. But winning is good form even if the opposition isn't great. And it's pretty funny seeing people talk us down by saying we've beaten terrible teams while talking up teams like Melbourne, Sydney and Carlton who have had losses to terrible teams.

 

[Gunf]

If we're 6-0 by definition our opponents have gone 0-6 so including them is pretty misleading. So they've won 9 of a collective 31 in their other games this year. Which is still ordinary.

But everyone knows North and an understrength Hawthorn are s**t. We beat them both easily despite missing Guthrie and Danger and managing a bunch of other players. They've gone 1-9 in their non-Geelong games.

So the other 4 teams have gone 8 from 22 in their non-Geelong games. Which isn't great but isn't terrible. 2 of those games were on the road. Going 4-0 through them is pretty decent.

Honestly I don't know how good we are. But winning is good form even if the opposition isn't great. And it's pretty funny seeing people talk us down by saying we've beaten terrible teams while talking up teams like Melbourne, Sydney and Carlton who have had losses to terrible teams.

No team has looked better overall than the others so far this year as it is a very even field apart from about 6 teams.

Some rounds some teams have looked unstoppable other rounds they have looked bad or average and this goes for almost every team in the comp bar a few.

I always say no point trying to pick the top 4/8 teams until around round 12-13 as that is when you can see teams starting to separate themselves and the draw has made most teams play at least a few good sides.

 

[FootyLad0]

I always say no point trying to pick the top 4/8 teams until around round 12-13 as that is when you can see teams starting to separate themselves and the draw has made most teams play at least a few good sides.

That’s around the time Split Round/s happen and that’s generally where I start taking the ladder seriously. After teams have a refresh. You generally see from that point certain teams going on a run eg Carlton and GWS last year were 8th and 12th respectively after Round 6 and finished 5th and 7th.

Meanwhile some teams collapse at that point eg Essendon were 4th and Crows were 5th after Round 6 at this stage last year and both finished 10th and 11th by the end of the season.

There is a loooonng way to go. We get the benefit of a lot of games at KP in the back half of the year so I’m positive barring major injuries (knock on wood) that we should make Finals.

There’s no guarantee though.

 

[FootyLad0]

Only because that's the narrative everyone outside of Geelong wants to drive.

This

If any other team was doing it, it would make that team an instant Premiership contender.

They ALL** (well majority of “neutrals”) predicted a fall off and now they have to eat crow so they’re trying to find anything they can to diminish results. Whether it’s a lack of injuries (funny how that didn’t apply in 2023 when it was us struggling) or the schedule (which is determined by your previous finishing position and has nothing to do with Geelong as a club?)

Results are results, you can only play who they put in front of you. Would they give us the same credence if Bulldogs, Crows, Lions, Saints who finished above us last year beat us?

Nope! They’d just say HURRR DURRR TOO OLD TOO SLOW.