rocker_oz33
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STFU .
COX .
Not everyone not getting a medal ...
It's just the way it is ...
COX .
Not everyone not getting a medal ...
It's just the way it is ...
Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2024, Part I
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Shell
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Yeah that's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard..STFU .
COX .
Not everyone not getting a medal ...
It's just the way it is ...
Shell
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FWIW my work was fine, I barely heard the GF win mentioned at all.
I'm fairly certain there are way more Blues supporters at my school > Pies
Hence the peace and quiet.
I'm fairly certain there are way more Blues supporters at my school > Pies
Hence the peace and quiet.
rocker_oz33
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FWIW my work was fine, I barely heard the GF win mentioned at all.
I'm fairly certain there are way more Blues supporters at my school > Pies
Must be bliss ..
Shell
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Yeah it was pretty good.
rocker_oz33
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I've never really pay out co workers about footy ....
I know what it's like on the other end ..
Brisbane City won't be happy losing 2 GFs ...
I know what it's like on the other end ..
Brisbane City won't be happy losing 2 GFs ...
I don't believe the issue of who 'deserves' medals will ever be appropriately and justly settled in the AFL, to everyone's satisfaction. This is primarily because we run a hybrid of what can otherwise work rather well in other sports around the world.
Take the EPL, for example. They run a league where each team plays one another home and away each season, in the interests of fairness (now, there's a novel idea), and then award medals to each player who reaches a minimum threshold for games played throughout the season. In this way, you do recognise the meaningful contributions of all players who really made a difference along the way. For the AFL, this would mean something like awarding medals to all players who appeared in a specified number of games for thr team that finished on the top of the ladder after the H&A. Notwithstanding our totally unfair and compromised 'fixture' for the competition in any given season.
In the same area of sporting endeavour, they then run cup competitions in a knockout format (like the F.A. Cup and League Cup), where the eventual winners see only the players on the day rewarded with a medal. In this way, both the overall season achievements are better recognised, as well as lauding the players that stood tall when the elimination games arrived.
Our issue is that the knockout competition is entirely linked to the season-long battle, in a way that does not happen for the elite football clubs in England, for example. So, should you wish to replicate something like this 'honouring' of players for their entire contribution to team success, you'd end up with medals for all 'qualified' players, based on finishing top for the season. And then you'd follow that up with medals for all participating players in the winning team for the GF. And sometimes the teams (and players) would correspond, and sometimes they wouldn't. Which only underlines the silliness of our system for determining the 'best team' in any given year, really.
As an example, my son's football team has won the premiership (finishing top of the table after the regular season concluded) for the past three seasons. They have then gone on to lose the grand final each time. So he has three year's worth of 'premiership medallions' and also three incarnations of the 'championship runners-up medallions'. It's certainly not neat and probably not ideal. But it's probably just about the best way of recognising players for both their enduring efforts and their team roles 'in the moment', in any given season.
Take the EPL, for example. They run a league where each team plays one another home and away each season, in the interests of fairness (now, there's a novel idea), and then award medals to each player who reaches a minimum threshold for games played throughout the season. In this way, you do recognise the meaningful contributions of all players who really made a difference along the way. For the AFL, this would mean something like awarding medals to all players who appeared in a specified number of games for thr team that finished on the top of the ladder after the H&A. Notwithstanding our totally unfair and compromised 'fixture' for the competition in any given season.
In the same area of sporting endeavour, they then run cup competitions in a knockout format (like the F.A. Cup and League Cup), where the eventual winners see only the players on the day rewarded with a medal. In this way, both the overall season achievements are better recognised, as well as lauding the players that stood tall when the elimination games arrived.
Our issue is that the knockout competition is entirely linked to the season-long battle, in a way that does not happen for the elite football clubs in England, for example. So, should you wish to replicate something like this 'honouring' of players for their entire contribution to team success, you'd end up with medals for all 'qualified' players, based on finishing top for the season. And then you'd follow that up with medals for all participating players in the winning team for the GF. And sometimes the teams (and players) would correspond, and sometimes they wouldn't. Which only underlines the silliness of our system for determining the 'best team' in any given year, really.
As an example, my son's football team has won the premiership (finishing top of the table after the regular season concluded) for the past three seasons. They have then gone on to lose the grand final each time. So he has three year's worth of 'premiership medallions' and also three incarnations of the 'championship runners-up medallions'. It's certainly not neat and probably not ideal. But it's probably just about the best way of recognising players for both their enduring efforts and their team roles 'in the moment', in any given season.
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rocker_oz33
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Not great for your son.
I'm sure he will really appreciate the next one he wins .
In those type of leagues esp cricket and tennis .
A team in form could lose a final/GF because of rain.
Because the higher team goes though even if lost their last 3-4 .
He doesn't really mind too much. As he loves (association) football as well, he appreciates the value of being the best in the comp for the entire season. And as much as I love the concept of winning GF's, it is rather nonsensical that we attach all the weight to one game at the end of it all, and thereby almost set aside the dominance that one team could have exhibited throughout the rest of the year. There are any number of reasons why a dominant team could lose a single game; there are far less compelling scenarios where a truly stellar line-up will not end up on top when all the season's results are collated.
It's why 2008 is so extraordinary. That Cats team was so far ahead of the rest that it wasn't funny. They played the most consistently scintillating footy I've ever seen from the hoops. And yet the record books will show that they weren't even the best team of that season.
Bizarre.
Vdubs
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very apt for many of OUR supporters re this win by Collingwood- top team, fittest team, won more games than any other team, worthy premiers.I suggest they spend their time singing Big Joe's 'goal song' on repeat, then...
I get that there's little else to talk about, but this over-analysis of the best team in and out of finals, will not be fruitful.
For myself, I've got no problem with the Pies winning this flag. They were (overall) the best team in it. All I've pointed out here is that they ended up having to be more than a little jammy in the finals series to secure their 'deserved' flag.
Which speaks to the relative strength of the comp at the moment, in my view.
Thats it - 2023 Collingwood FC Premiers
And as everyone knows Premierships are mighty hard to win - and much harfer to win now - because the Minor Premier dont have the luxury of going straight into a 2nd semi - they instead have to walk the Tightrope of a sudden death PF
Some can argue it is a lost opportunity for Melb and GWS - however the problem for them - next year is a brand new year and there are no guarntees whatsoever
You have to somehow jag those flags when your in with a big chance - and that is exactly what Collingwood did this year - and thus Premiership number 16 goes in the Record Book
Everything else is irrelevant - especially the nonsense by some Geel posters re Frampton - who was only in their team - because McStay hurt his knee the week before
rocker_oz33
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I would be happy with players getting a Premiership Medal if they play either 50% of the season or 1 final because either is contribution to a teams Premiership success.
Also noticed when talking about the Pies "luck" that people have ignored the umpires put the whistle away for them in the PF and GF and awarded either no decisions to their opposition or poor decisions.
Also noticed when talking about the Pies "luck" that people have ignored the umpires put the whistle away for them in the PF and GF and awarded either no decisions to their opposition or poor decisions.
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Rich wood? Collingmond? I’m so confused
They put the whistle away in the preliminary final for high contact then brought it back in for the gf. Both benefited Collingwood enormously
So what you're saying is, the umpires should get a premiership medal as well?
fpm84
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I think that premiership medals should be reserved for the 23 on the day, there will be hard luck stories every year but that’s just the nature of it.
That said I would also like to see some official acknowledgement for players who’ve played above a certain amount of games for the year (10-15?) and therefore made a decent contribution to the team’s success.
Adams and Noble this year (not sure how many games McStay played), Holmes last year.
Maybe they could do down the NBA/NRL path and produce premiership rings for every player who has played a certain amount of games during the year.
That said I would also like to see some official acknowledgement for players who’ve played above a certain amount of games for the year (10-15?) and therefore made a decent contribution to the team’s success.
Adams and Noble this year (not sure how many games McStay played), Holmes last year.
Maybe they could do down the NBA/NRL path and produce premiership rings for every player who has played a certain amount of games during the year.
rocker_oz33
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McSpray played a fair chunk missed about 5,6 finger inj.
Fly going on about it now.
Fuuuuu shut up just because it's Collingwood they got to make a big deal about it ..
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This is nothing to do with Collingwood and isn't some new discussion this year - it's been an often discussed topic at this time of the year over the past decade, which includes the years Collingwood hasn't played in the grand final
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I'm pretty sure that Geelong started getting premiership rings designed & produced for the squad back in 2009 or 2011, and they then did a retrospective one for 2007 to recognise the contribution of the squad to the premiership win
I can remember reading something about that a few years ago
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