List Mgmt. OFFICIAL: Josh Caddy + 56 traded to Richmond for 24 and 64

[candiehappy]

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We paid OVERS for every trade last year, every single one. Hence the reason we are left with fek all draft picks

cannot be serious .....

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It is 8 picks outside round 1 and TBH he isn't worth a 1st rounder. Dudes are delusional to think otherwise. Pick 20-28 was about where I would have put him. Also we will save a little $$$ on him. Need to free up those types of players and their wage so we can have a ping at someone via FA next year

Its not the 8 spots its the fact that we now have to trade in an extra 1st rnd next year and clubs will make us pay big for it. 15 would have blocked it off.

My worst frustration of it all is gws have 11 picks inside 60 which i doubt they use all of. I would have thought the most obvious call of the day would be to offer gws 24 38 and 42 for 15 58 59 and 60, yet it never happened.

A few things this week didnt make sense to me.

 

[year of the cat]

Its not the 8 spots its the fact that we now have to trade in an extra 1st rnd next year and clubs will make us pay big for it. 15 would have blocked it off.

My worst frustration of it all is gws have 11 picks inside 60 which i doubt they use all of. I would have thought the most obvious call of the day would be to offer gws 24 38 and 42 for 15 58 59 and 60, yet it never happened.

A few things this week didnt make sense to me.

Has that been confirmed P_O?

 

[silence ofthe Robert]

Not 100% certain he is anymore - at least borderline. See my post above but Scooter & Menegola I think have/will overtake him in 2016 as will Cockatoo. I actually think we still have some upside in our midfield:

• Selwood - Gun, can't do anymore.
• Danger - Gun, can't do anymore.
• Gutherie - Hopefully can play almost exclusively as a midfielder in 2017. Had a breakout year and although perhaps required in the backline, was much better as a mid. Hopefully with Tuohy coming into the team and an extra year into Kolo, Ruggles, Bews and Thurlow means he doesn't have to spend as much time back.
• Duncan - Didn't have a good year by his standards, hopefully a down year, before back to his normal self (or better) in 2017.
• Menegola - Really looks like we found one here. Wins ball, gutsy, smart. Came in and looked at home. Will be better for the run and should improve over the next 2 seasons.
• Cockatoo - Could be anything. Needs a clean run at it.
• Menzel - Could hopefully rotate through the middle and some stoppages for 3-8 minutes a quarter. Clean hands and good disposal + good around stoppages and at clearances.
• Scooter - No idea why people don't rate him. Won a B&F at WC and was in their leadership group. Played well 2011-2013 and then spent 2.5 seasons injured. Sensible approach be Geelong this year will hopefully see that behind him.
• Motlop - FARKING PULL YOUR FINGER OUT MATE! Hopefully the penny drops and he is already doing laps of the local footy oval towing a tire Pieboy Lance styles!
• Murdoch - Move from pocket to more midfield time.
• Cowen - They obviously like him because of his skills. Needs a clean run at it.

That is 11 mids that have been, or are getting first team game time. We also have GHS, McCarthy, Lang, Gregson who occupy that small forward role who can hopefully be like one M.Stokes and move into the mid, or are on the fringes.

Out of those players Duncan, Danger, Selwood, Gutherie, Motlop all easily ahead of Caddy with Menegola, Scooter, Cockatoo all at least equal deserving of first team time. With Cowen and Murdoch hoping to squeeze in there.

After 'Danger' this post gets real funny. Scooter, Motlop, Murdoch, Cowen.............stop it!!!!

 

[Pure_Ownage]

15 other clubs probably wouldn't have let him go in the first place. But as you say, if push had come to shove, they would have got a pick in the teens for him. To mismanage this player and then the trade is bordering on incompetency or sheer complacency.

I agree. I actually think with a good pre season or two cockatoo will go well past caddys level so the best 22 doesnt lose much if anything.

But its just poor negotiating to get bent over on a trade where we held all the cards.

 

[dazbroncos]

After 'Danger' this post gets real funny. Scooter, Motlop, Murdoch, Cowen.............stop it!!!!

Short leash. Point made.


Go Catters

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Has that been confirmed P_O?

Not yet but i presume logic would say as you have to use 2 over 4 years and we have traded 3 out so next year or 2018 we have to trade one in. Unless of course motlop leaves as FA next year and we get first round or end of first round compo which supplies that extra pick.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

After 'Danger' this post gets real funny. Scooter, Motlop, Murdoch, Cowen.............stop it!!!!

Good for you.
Know what I find funny? Losing a final to a team that finished 9th.
Now **** off.

 

[scottydeewah]

Why do we have to trade in a 1st round next year? SEN reported AFL granted us an exemption.

 

[year of the cat]

Not yet but i presume logic would say as you have to use 2 over 4 years and we have traded 3 out so next year or 2018 we have to trade one in. Unless of course motlop leaves as FA next year and we get first round or end of first round compo which supplies that extra pick.

There seems to be a lot of "grey" in these rules. It appears that the 2 in 4 rule has some wriggle room. If it doesn't can you imagine what clubs will make us cough up for a first rounder?

 

[FredLeDeux]

Not yet but i presume logic would say as you have to use 2 over 4 years and we have traded 3 out so next year or 2018 we have to trade one in. Unless of course motlop leaves as FA next year and we get first round or end of first round compo which supplies that extra pick.

We can take either one or two in either the 3rd or 4th years, ie next year or the year after. Nothing says you can't do the minimum required two in a single one of the 4 years.

 

[Catsnlakers]

Very dissapointed in this trade... Really feel like cads was about to improve another notch... All we can do now is put pick 24 to good use and hope our second tier players on the list ( gregson, lang, murdoch, horlin-smith etc ) take more ownership on our group and drive each other to higher standards as we already know what we will get from our guns.

 

[ChookNorris]

The salary cap increase the clubs advised the clubs of is less than we budgeted for. In honesty we won the caddy and tuohy trades. Lost a bit with Kersten and Vardy but it's more of a backlash on how successful we were last period. Could be worse though, could have lost 1 and 2 in our BnF, this year and next years first rounder, not have a pick until 88 this year and only gained a spud, Sydney's 4th best mid and cripple.

 

[JackFlash]

Our off season last year implied we were going flag or bust in 2016, we came up short and now we've had a putrid trade period this year.

Don't expect much in 2017, if Danger wood fire we may make top 4 again, they struggle or get injured and we won't make the top 8.

Nothing is going to prevent GWS going undefeated or at worst lose 1 maybe 2 games for the entire season. The Cats are not in the hunt in 2017. Dees and Saints may pass us by...

 

[Partridge]

Yep. He just says the word "internally" and makes it look like just he is smart and everyone else is incredibly dumb despite what it clearly looks like.
He has got away with this for so long. Gotta admit he's preety good at it though.

It helps when no one has the balls to question him. Or the club.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

All of that is true.
But with him contracted 15 other clubs in the same situation would have got a 1st rnd for him. We rolled over and took a 2nd when richmond had a 1st.

This is pretty much it. If they want to trade him then fine, but he's worth a first round pick. It's like the club felt like they had to offload him and didn't really care what they got in return. It feels lazy, sloppy and its incredibly poor management.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Our off season last year implied we were going flag or bust in 2016, we came up short and now we've had a putrid trade period this year.

Don't expect much in 2017, if Danger wood fire we may make top 4 again, they struggle or get injured and we won't make the top 8.

I actually expect us to be anywhere from 5th-9th. Not expecting much at all.

 

[Ricketz]

Of course I can. After a good win do I have to post all the negative things I can think of.
This is on this years trade week thread which IMO is kind of on the negative side.

Not at all. So just being reactionary? Im not sold on the trades either, by the way - but this thread has some super embarrassing hyperbole attached.

 

[PatrickBateman]

• Gutherie - Hopefully can play almost exclusively as a midfielder in 2017. Had a breakout year and although perhaps required in the backline, was much better as a mid. Hopefully with Tuohy coming into the team and an extra year into Kolo, Ruggles, Bews and Thurlow means he doesn't have to spend as much time back.

Lol.

Guthrie did not have a good year as a mid. He was very good in no more than a handful of games, amongst many, many more that were poor. Time and time again he got beaten by more committed mids that beat him to the footy. Geelong's midfield struggles in 2016 were well documented by the AFL media, whenever Selwood and Dangerfield were down, we were beaten consistently by opposition ball winners. This was until Menegola came in and started putting out impressive contested stats.

When Menegola and Scott Selwood came into the side, Guthrie got moved back. It wasn't out of necessity, he got replaced by better players / midfielders. In the latter part of the season, he lost confidence and struggled big time. Menegola showed a lot more promise than Guthrie in only 10 or so games of AFL, Scott Selwood gave us the hardness and pressure that many of our mids including Guthrie lacked. I would never have him in at the center bounce. I'd put either Motlop or Duncan in preference as the outside mid, both are more effective with disposal, Motlop is quicker, Duncan more or less as quick.

Guthrie's stats prove he's no midfielder. The game is about contested possession now, all the contenders are right up the top in this stat, it's vital. His numbers are just terrible in this regard. He needs to develop as a defender who takes the game on - this is where he'll really be useful I believe. Touhy will be a great addition in this regard too, though he has a better / booming kick and is a hard, tough player.

 

[Ricketz]

Scott Selwood did not overtake him this year. Menegola is an injury-prone C-grader.

Yeah, Selwood did. That is why Selwood played the tagging role in the midfield and Caddy ended up out of position at half forward. Also, his stats are better too, after coming off a long injury delay. Caddy didn't kick enough goals to own the flank with Gregson and Cocky coming back next year, and he can't tag, so why keep him if he wants to go, again?

I wont even begin on your comment about Menegola, it is clear you dont watch the games from that one...

 

[PatrickBateman]

Our off season last year implied we were going flag or bust in 2016, we came up short and now we've had a putrid trade period this year.

Don't expect much in 2017, if Danger wood fire we may make top 4 again, they struggle or get injured and we won't make the top 8.

The club needs to get more out of the 2nd tier, that'll be the key I think.

Blicavs, Guthrie, Duncan, Motlop. These are the players that must lift if we are to progress. They're more or less in their prime and should be a lot more consistent. Each had a disappointing 2016 for mine, and didn't lift when Selwood and Dangerfield weren't on top (as rare as it was). We're just too one dimensional and predictable in the midfield at the moment. The better sides have more even contributers. We're not there.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Yeah, Selwood did. That is why Selwood played the tagging role in the midfield and Caddy ended up out of position at half forward. Also, his stats are better too, after coming off a long injury delay. Caddy didn't kick enough goals to own the flank with Gregson and Cocky coming back next year, and he can't tag, so why keep him if he wants to go, again?

I wont even begin on your comment about Menegola, it is clear you dont watch the games from that one...

I do watch the games. If you honestly think S.Selwood was better than Caddy this year, I'd have to question if you do.

 

[BIGANT]

Club could've done more I feel, was this his 4th or 5th yr ? Maybe I am a lil tough but a slow burn, considering he was #7 wasn't he.
Not sure what we should be looking for w #24 but not sure if afl.com's call twomey is a good judge ?

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[Ricketz]

I do watch the games. If you honestly think S.Selwood was better than Caddy this year, I'd have to question if you do.

Alright then, be specific. I have checked their comparative averages. Why do you think Selwood is behind Caddy, and why do you think Menegola is a C grader after watching him play? Lastly, why couldn't Caddy bust into the midfield with a one legged eagle and hack hawk/freo cast off holding him out?

I have posted about Caddy's underwhelming stats, of which efficiency and effective disposal are the most damning. Blicavs has gone past him too, scary right? But if you want I will do it again.

 

[scottydeewah]

Lol.

Guthrie did not have a good year as a mid. He was very good in no more than a handful of games, amongst many, many more that were poor. Time and time again he got beaten by more committed mids that beat him to the footy. Geelong's midfield struggles in 2016 were well documented by the AFL media, whenever Selwood and Dangerfield were down, we were beaten consistently by opposition ball winners. This was until Menegola came in and started putting out impressive contested stats.

When Menegola and Scott Selwood came into the side, Guthrie got moved back. It wasn't out of necessity, he got replaced by better players / midfielders. In the latter part of the season, he lost confidence and struggled big time. Menegola showed a lot more promise than Guthrie in only 10 or so games of AFL, Scott Selwood gave us the hardness and pressure that many of our mids including Guthrie lacked. I would never have him in at the center bounce. I'd put either Motlop or Duncan in preference as the outside mid, both are more effective with disposal, Motlop is quicker, Duncan more or less as quick.

Guthrie's stats prove he's no midfielder. The game is about contested possession now, all the contenders are right up the top in this stat, it's vital. His numbers are just terrible in this regard. He needs to develop as a defender who takes the game on - this is where he'll really be useful I believe. Touhy will be a great addition in this regard too, though he has a better / booming kick and is a hard, tough player.

Like in the Hawks final? Guthrie turned that game.