What would your take become if it happens that Adelaide have a substantial win this week?
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What would your take become if it happens that Adelaide have a substantial win this week?
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Really looking forward to this game. Will tip the Crows just, mainly because of the game being played in Adelaide and the injuries to Swan and Reid. The Pies to play this ground well though, and an extra two day break might see them get over the line...damn hard to pick 
Seriously, have a think about it a little further.
Do you really expect Nathan Buckley to come out and say that we are vastly superior?
One thing that should be noted is Sando's ability to get the Crows up and about.
Craigy was very big on taking the emotion out of it - playing Port? Just another game. Playing the bottom team? No different to playing the top team.
Sando is different; he's talking up the big games, he's getting the boys excited and passionate for them - he's come out and said that this is a huge game, both based on ladder position, and the fact that everybody loves knocking Collingwood off of their perch.
The 'flatness' in our side under Craig was a real worry - you could almost tell within the first 10 minutes whether we were there to play or not.
I don't think we'll see that as much under Sando - although our group is still developing and consistency isn't guaranteed.
Craigy was very big on taking the emotion out of it - playing Port? Just another game. Playing the bottom team? No different to playing the top team.
Sando is different; he's talking up the big games, he's getting the boys excited and passionate for them - he's come out and said that this is a huge game, both based on ladder position, and the fact that everybody loves knocking Collingwood off of their perch.
The 'flatness' in our side under Craig was a real worry - you could almost tell within the first 10 minutes whether we were there to play or not.
I don't think we'll see that as much under Sando - although our group is still developing and consistency isn't guaranteed.
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Collingwood injury decimated vs Adelaide with none, it would be little surprise to anyone if the Crows won by 5 goals this weekend.
I actually don't even know why you posted this, the only reason being to use it as a bump should the crows lose.
Of course not, especially after a 77 point loss to the very set of players you would be trying to claim superiority over.
As I said before, a poor set of players will not produce white hot performances.
Apart from the simple "politics" and "face" aspects of press conferences, the primary reason that Nathan Buckley wouldn't claim that Collingwood's list is vastly superior is simply because it isn't.
Maybe you're better suited to posting in the "crows chat" thread on the Port board, they just can't wait for us to get some injuries.
PS. Decimated
Lord, Swan and Reid aren't the be all and end all.
For the first time in quite a while I feel confident about winning the carton of Cooper's Pale Ale off my Collingwood supporting Uncle.
In the last couple of seasons, I have even knocked back the bet, as I felt it was throwing money (beer) away - However, I feel as though I should have 24 bottles of green capped bliss heading my way next week!
In the last couple of seasons, I have even knocked back the bet, as I felt it was throwing money (beer) away - However, I feel as though I should have 24 bottles of green capped bliss heading my way next week!
Maybe you're better suited to posting in the "crows chat" thread on the Port board, they just can't wait for us to get some injuries.
PS. Decimated
Yeh, Tarrant, Ball, Brown, Krakouer and Johnson are just fringe players too.
Think Adelaide minus Dangerfield, Thompson, Rutten...
Then think about them minus Henderson, Talia, Johncock and Callinan.
The way I see it, Adelaide should have a strong win. I expect Collingwood to pull out everything to stay with them but I think Adelaide will win in the end and won't be overly surprised it if is more than 5 goals - possibly well more.
If Adelaide lose then Collingwod will be a massive flag chance and IMO Adelaide won't have much chance at all - this year at least.
If Adelaide win by a big margin then I'll still be a bit away from changing my view on either side given who Collingwood have out and the relative form of both sides. As I said though, a few more good wins will change my mind about Adelaide's immediate prospects. It just needs more than this week for me given where their oppsoition is placed.
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http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/136720/default.aspx
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/136720/default.aspx
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A couple of points for mine here
Adhering to MM philosophy Collingwoods injury list is Swan, Reid, Brown. Tarrant is back but not ready for senior action. The injuries to Ball, Macaffer and Krak are irrelevent as they will not be back in 2012 so dont form part of any asessment of how Collingwood will go in 2012. Benny J may also form part of that list . We also have some injured fringe/young players but that isn't relevent either.
On that basis our team is much closer to its 2012 full strength than many imagine. We still have an excellent line up. Crows deserve to be favorites but don't write Collingwood off. Its an important match that will go a long way to defining both teams seasons. You can probably mark the winner down as a near definite for top 4 and likely top 2. There is plenty at stake, an 8 point game if you like.
Adhering to MM philosophy Collingwoods injury list is Swan, Reid, Brown. Tarrant is back but not ready for senior action. The injuries to Ball, Macaffer and Krak are irrelevent as they will not be back in 2012 so dont form part of any asessment of how Collingwood will go in 2012. Benny J may also form part of that list . We also have some injured fringe/young players but that isn't relevent either.
On that basis our team is much closer to its 2012 full strength than many imagine. We still have an excellent line up. Crows deserve to be favorites but don't write Collingwood off. Its an important match that will go a long way to defining both teams seasons. You can probably mark the winner down as a near definite for top 4 and likely top 2. There is plenty at stake, an 8 point game if you like.
Technically Reid, Swan and Ball is more than decimated being more than 10% of the 22 let alone the 21 or 18. Technical definitions aside, add Tarrant, Johnson, Brown, Krakouer, McCaffer and few much less notables and it does make a significant difference.PS. Decimated
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This! Very smart post. I don't know why when talking injuries people include season ending injuries in player missing from your best possible 22. The fact of the matter they are not in your best possible 22 simply because its not possible at all..... throughout the whole year. It would be different if it was a case of a small 2 or 4 week injury that occured because its just bad timing and the player will likely return to play a vital part of any finals match we would face against each other that season.
I agree the Pies are close to their best 22. Swan is a Huge out and so is Reid. Tarrant hasn't played any footy this year anyway so i would say this out isn't as painful.
Crows have Tex out which i think is as huge as Swan. Current leading goal kicker who is tearing the opposition apart is a massive loss for us, but he's about where it stops. I don't include Douglas because he is playing SANFL and is much in the same boat as Tarrant.
I agree though we have a better rub of the green simply because we have been able to keep pretty much the same team out there week in and week out. The stability helps a lot in footy.
To counteract this though is our defence has some real youth in it which could be exposed. Jaensch, smith and Talia could all be in real trouble if Cloke, Dawes, Daisy etc decide to have a night out.
Crows should go in favs simply on form and fact its at home. Wouldn't expect a blow out though and I'd say Crows by 12 points.
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Basically this.
This will be a repeat of the NAB Cup game no doubt about it.
I'm hoping we keep this loss within a few goals for the sake of our percentage though.
You'd beat us, but we'd be competitive. We've actually got some pretty decent depth all of a sudden.
Out: Dangerfield, Thompson, Rutten, Henderson, Talia, Johncock, Callinan.
In: Knights, Douglas, Otten, Tambling, L. Thompson, Symes, Martin.
Obviously a far weaker side, but there's over 500 games of experience there, and they're all playing SANFL right now.
Your best 22, however, would definitely smash that side.
Three players need to step up, two of which have done so far this season. Sidebottom, Beams and Wellingham, the latter in particular needs to have a really good game in the guts helping Pendles and Beams win the hard ball, after spending time up forward this season.
I also expect it may be harder for some of the mids to have a great effect on the scoreboard, so Cloke would also want to stand up. Would be nice for Didak to show a flash back to the past also. We need quite a few things going right to win this one, I don't think it's going to happen.
I also expect it may be harder for some of the mids to have a great effect on the scoreboard, so Cloke would also want to stand up. Would be nice for Didak to show a flash back to the past also. We need quite a few things going right to win this one, I don't think it's going to happen.
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For us to win this we need:
1) Basically EVERYONE playing a blinder. Especially Cloke and Dawes
2) Crows to have an 'off' game
3) Umps become 3 extra players for us
In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
1) Basically EVERYONE playing a blinder. Especially Cloke and Dawes
2) Crows to have an 'off' game
3) Umps become 3 extra players for us
In other words, it ain't gonna happen.
For a team that apparently would smash Adelaide at their best, they don't seem to have much depth. I personally think they're still fielding a top 6 team, so I'm surprised a huge chunk of Collingwood supporters think they're no chance based on the absence of predominantly Swan, Reid & Brown.
MMMM let's see now. . .
The fullback Brown is out
Reid is the Pies AA CHB
Tarrant is still working his way back to match fitness in the VFL
Swan is Brownlow medal holding midfielder
Ball is out
as is Krak
and McKaffer
The sole surviving tall backman is a kid with under 20 games
Not to mention 3 or 4 injuries to other depth players
I don't find our depth shallow
I find your appraisal of it is a smarmy and shallow
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Only the Crows fans in this thread seem to think that Collingwood's injuries are a non issue at least the rest of us impartial observers can state the obvious. The Crows should win by about 5 goals (or more) against the Collingwood side coming across, if they lose who cares it would be a *slight* upset nothing more.
I could argue the same logic about you guys trying to talk down the Crows chances every chance you get so you can then come on later and go ******* about what a brilliant win you had.
Not likely, more so that we are coming up against the best team of 2011, which has injuries but still puts forward a team of significant talent.
Honestly, the Pies side ex-the player mentioned (some who are LTI anyway) would still account for a good portion of the competition.
there is no real need to go OTT on either side.
Honestly, the Pies side ex-the player mentioned (some who are LTI anyway) would still account for a good portion of the competition.
there is no real need to go OTT on either side.
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Taking injuries into account in Collingwoods case signicantly down in key positions is completely normal to predicting the outcome of a game. Based on these injuries most are saying Collingwood will struggle to have a chance to beat Adelaide in Adelaide. I am baffled how there's Crows supporters in here even arguing these posters logic.
Do you look at West Coast and Fremantle and not take West Coasts big injury list into consideration?
Do you look at West Coast and Fremantle and not take West Coasts big injury list into consideration?
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