Pies vs Crows

[Thommo 42]

Crows would have loved to have the injuries we're getting now at the start of 05/06.

Instead they had them at the end of both those years and imo it cost them at least one flag. Imagine dominating all year and then losing players of the calibre of Ricciuto, McLeod, Rutten, Bock etc.

 

[jonbe54]

Crows would have loved to have the injuries we're getting now at the start of 05/06.

Instead they had them at the end of both those years and imo it cost them at least one flag. Imagine dominating all year and then losing players of the calibre of Ricciuto, McLeod, Rutten, Bock etc.

Don't have to imagine Thommo we lived it last year

 

[ok.crows]

This talk of hoodoos and the pies' record at aami can get pretty tedious though. Hope we can just bury it. Like others have said, we are a completely different side under sando so far this year.

Perhaps more to the point, the only history between these clubs with their current coaches and gameplans occurred at AAMI in the NAB Cup earlier this year.

http://www.afl.com.au/home/tabid/18551/default.aspx#fixtureid=7886&tab=Recap

ADELAIDE has reached its first NAB Cup Grand Final since 2008, after a 13 goals to two second half saw them demolish a young Collingwood side by 77-points at AAMI Stadium on Friday night.

Given the Pies injuries and the Crows relative lack thereof, perhaps they both will be fielding similar strength teams as they did in that NAB Cup game. Well, Swan won't be playing and neither will Taylor Walker, so perhaps not quite as strong.

The thing is, the Crows current form is significantly better than it was even a month ago.

If we are going by the record, this data is the most relevant data to look at. Ignore the fact that in the photo caption AFL.com.au demonstrates that they don't know the difference between Kurt Tippett and Taylor Walker.

 

[Thommo 42]

Agreed. But not allowed to mention it when its your own team

 

[Jars458]

Sorry to rain on your parade but he was with the Cats.
Going by your logic the Pies will win this becaus we have Ben Hart,who not only played with them for years but was also an assistant with the Crows last year, as one of our Assistant coaches.

Ben Who? You guys having Ben Hart may be an extra reason for us to win! Great great player, but not sure how good a coach he is. Very hard to tell of course.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Pies havent lost at Aami for years.

Geelong had won 7/8 at AAMI before round 7.

The Crows are a super side this year and with Swan and Reid missing they should win.

 

[ok.crows]

But more to the point, I was using it as an example to show that we play in a lot of close games. As a matter of fact in our past 10 meetings, 5 have been decided by five points or less (4 of those were 4 games in a row over 2 years in 09/10) so riding on 1 game from last year where we probably had our worst season ever (yet were still level with you at three quarter time) is a pretty weak argument.

The change of coaching staff this year, at least at the Crows anyway, has made a tremendous difference to the teams performances. The only game between these clubs under their current coaches and gameplans was actually at AAMI in the NAB Cup earlier this year.

That game wasn't close.

 

[yeee_haaaa!!!!!]

I didn't say it wasn't there, I'm saying you only won because of an umpiring decision. But more to the point, I was using it as an example to show that we play in a lot of close games. As a matter of fact in our past 10 meetings, 5 have been decided by five points or less (4 of those were 4 games in a row over 2 years in 09/10) so riding on 1 game from last year where we probably had our worst season ever (yet were still level with you at three quarter time) is a pretty weak argument.

incorrect. collingwood won that game due to an infringement by ben rutten, not "an umpiring decision"

but i agree that coll v adel has produced some cracking encounters in recent years. no reason to think that sat night won'r produce another one. my reasoning - coll's best 22 is still well and truly superior to adel's best 22. coll will not have their best 22 on the filed this week, adel will have very close to theirs other than taylor walker (who is a very significant out). the pies injury list should therefore be a leveller

 

[QuietB]

incorrect. collingwood won that game due to an infringement by ben rutten, not "an umpiring decision"

but i agree that coll v adel has produced some cracking encounters in recent years. no reason to think that sat night won'r produce another one. my reasoning - coll's best 22 is still well and truly superior to adel's best 22. coll will not have their best 22 on the filed this week, adel will have very close to theirs other than taylor walker (who is a very significant out). the pies injury list should therefore be a leveller

Should not have been a free kick. I hate it when players get soft frees like that when they are hardly even participating in the contest. Anthony did not committ in any way to that contest and got a free for his efforts, urrgggggg

 

[ok.crows]

incorrect. collingwood won that game due to an infringement by ben rutten, not "an umpiring decision"

but i agree that coll v adel has produced some cracking encounters in recent years. no reason to think that sat night won'r produce another one. my reasoning - coll's best 22 is still well and truly superior to adel's best 22. coll will not have their best 22 on the filed this week, adel will have very close to theirs other than taylor walker (who is a very significant out). the pies injury list should therefore be a leveller

Whereas my assessment would be that Adelaide's best 22 and Collingwood's best 22 are on a par in terms of ability, as attested to by the closeness of Adelaide/Collingwood contests of recent years. Last year and the year before Adelaide were still sticking to an outmoded gameplan from 2005 that no longer worked at all, whereas Collingwood's gameplan wasn't outmoded until the finals late last year.

This year's match it will be Collingwood sticking to their (recently) outmoded gameplan, and Adelaide will be using their new one.

We saw a match in the NAB Cup under similar circumstances, and given Collingwood's current injury list, even similar players were involved. Adelaide were still trialling and tuning their new approach, but even then it worked pretty well against more-or-less the same Pies players who will play this upcoming match.

Adelaide have become considerably more adept with, and confident in, their new approach since then.

 

[ok.crows]

Should not have been a free kick. I hate it when players get soft frees like that when they are hardly even participating in the contest. Anthony did not committ in any way to that contest and got a free for his efforts, urrgggggg

But Rutten, unfortunately, was indeed holding on to Anthony when he should not have been. Umpire sees it, and pays it. Fair cop.

 

[the woodsmen2010]

Should not have been a free kick. I hate it when players get soft frees like that when they are hardly even participating in the contest. Anthony did not committ in any way to that contest and got a free for his efforts, urrgggggg

haha wow, he didnt commit as he was being held back from the contest, great theory though....

 

[PieBeast]

Whereas my assessment would be that Adelaide's best 22 and Collingwood's best 22 are on a par in terms of ability, as attested to by the closeness of Adelaide/Collingwood contests of recent years. Last year and the year before Adelaide were still sticking to an outmoded gameplan from 2005 that no longer worked at all, whereas Collingwood's gameplan wasn't outmoded until the finals late last year.

This year's match it will be Collingwood sticking to their (recently) outmoded gameplan, and Adelaide will be using their new one.

We saw a match in the NAB Cup under similar circumstances, and given Collingwood's current injury list, even similar players were involved. Adelaide were still trialling and tuning their new approach, but even then it worked pretty well against more-or-less the same Pies players who will play this upcoming match.

Adelaide have become considerably more adept with, and confident in, their new approach since then.

PM me power ball numbers, ta in advance.

 

[jenny61_99]

Should not have been a free kick. I hate it when players get soft frees like that when they are hardly even participating in the contest. Anthony did not committ in any way to that contest and got a free for his efforts, urrgggggg

It was a free kick, no doubt about it. The disappointing thing was how many of those types of frees had not been paid in the game to that point. Consistency is what you want in your umpires and that is a measure that seems to evade them on a regular basis.

 

[Heafy83]

incorrect. collingwood won that game due to an infringement by ben rutten, not "an umpiring decision"

but i agree that coll v adel has produced some cracking encounters in recent years. no reason to think that sat night won'r produce another one. my reasoning - coll's best 22 is still well and truly superior to adel's best 22. coll will not have their best 22 on the filed this week, adel will have very close to theirs other than taylor walker (who is a very significant out). the pies injury list should therefore be a leveller

Incorrect. Collingwood won that game on an umpiring decision. If the umpire did not call the free kick it was an Otten's mark and more than likely the AFC would have won the game.

Yes the free kick was there, no doubt, but its up to the umpire whether he decides to penalise the player or not depending on his understanding/interpretation of the rule.

No sour grapes. It was there.

 

[PieNSauce]

Incorrect. Collingwood won that game on an umpiring decision. If the umpire did not call the free kick it was an Otten's mark and more than likely the AFC would have won the game.

Yes the free kick was there, no doubt, but its up to the umpire whether he decides to penalise the player or not depending on his understanding/interpretation of the rule.

No sour grapes. It was there.

What a peculiar post. In my rule book it certainly seems to say words to the effect: man being held without ball = free kick every day of week!

 

[Hartletts Heroes]

i guess the real test in this game will come when collingwood come hard at the crows.. thinking back to past encounters between the 2 sides and when collingwood have lifted their intensity and work rate against the crows, they have run over the top of em..

 

[Jars458]

i guess the real test in this game will come when collingwood come hard at the crows.. thinking back to past encounters between the 2 sides and when collingwood have lifted their intensity and work rate against the crows, they have run over the top of em..

Yep, good point. We have managed to do that this year agains the Dogs, Port and Sydney (just), but Collingwood coming hard is a whole new test for our game plan and our belief that we can beat them. Should be a cracker.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Whereas my assessment would be that Adelaide's best 22 and Collingwood's best 22 are on a par in terms of ability, as attested to by the closeness of Adelaide/Collingwood contests of recent years. Last year and the year before Adelaide were still sticking to an outmoded gameplan from 2005 that no longer worked at all, whereas Collingwood's gameplan wasn't outmoded until the finals late last year.

This year's match it will be Collingwood sticking to their (recently) outmoded gameplan, and Adelaide will be using their new one.

We saw a match in the NAB Cup under similar circumstances, and given Collingwood's current injury list, even similar players were involved. Adelaide were still trialling and tuning their new approach, but even then it worked pretty well against more-or-less the same Pies players who will play this upcoming match.

Adelaide have become considerably more adept with, and confident in, their new approach since then.

Is this for real? You think that now after starting the season 7-1, that Adelaide's best 22 is on par with the 2010 premiership team and a team that went 20-2 in the H&A season last year? All things being equal, that is with no injuries to either side, Collingwood's best 22 is far, far superior to Adelaides. Having said that, we will not be seeing Collingwood's best 22 play together this season, and Adelaide is certainly white hot and improving which levels things up a lot for this match. Love Dangerfield and Sloane, it's going to be a great game to watch!!

 

[ok.crows]

Is this for real? You think that now after starting the season 7-1, that Adelaide's best 22 is on par with the 2010 premiership team and a team that went 20-2 in the H&A season last year?

Great team performance (e.g. Collingwood in the H&A season last year) does indeed imply that the team has good players, but the inverse does not necessarily follow. One can have a list of very good players and yet still produce sucky performance as a team with no problem at all. There can be any number of reasons, other than the quality of the playing list, as to why a team is producing poor performance.

In the case of the Crows in 2010 and 2011, I would put it down to the team sticking to an outmoded gameplan and fitness regime from 2005 (which admittedly did work OK-ish in 2005 and 2006).

All things being equal, that is with no injuries to either side, Collingwood's best 22 is far, far superior to Adelaides.

In your opinion. Mine differs markedly. If Collingwood's coaching panel is of the same view as you seem to be, then they will be in for a rude shock. However, going by quotes from Buckley this week and after the NAB Cup game early this year, Collingwood's coaching panel apparently has a view on the quality of the Crows list that is more aligned with mine than yours.

There is a Press Conference featuring Buckley on this page in which he talks a bit (at the very start) about his view of the Crows this season:
http://www.afl.com.au/home/tabid/18551/default.aspx#fixtureid=7886&tab=Recap

This observation would seem to indicate that you have chosen your BigFooty username very poorly indeed.

Having said that, we will not be seeing Collingwood's best 22 play together this season

Just as you didn't see Adelaide's best 22 playing together (even under a sucky gameplan) in 2010 or 2011.

and Adelaide is certainly white hot and improving which levels things up a lot for this match. Love Dangerfield and Sloane, it's going to be a great game to watch!!

As I noted previously, "great team performance does indeed imply that the team has good players". If you concede that Adelaide's current form is white hot, this to me would be strangely at odds with your apparent view of the lack of quality of Adelaide's playing list. Poor players do not produce white hot performances.

I don't think it will be close unless it rains.

 

[Macca19]

I think Collingwoods best 22 is above Adelaides best 22. Adelaide will win this in a canter though imo

 

[ok.crows]

I think Collingwoods best 22 is above Adelaides best 22.

I have no issue with that, this is a very tenable position you hold, although it could perhaps be debated. My own assessment is quoted in posts above: "my assessment would be that Adelaide's best 22 and Collingwood's best 22 are on a par in terms of ability".

What I do argue against, however, is the view that "Collingwood's best 22 is far, far superior to Adelaides". I would strongly contest that view every day of the week, as would, apparently, Nathan Buckley himself.

 

[MarkT2]

Best 22 v best 22 Collingwood win.
Current 22 v current 22 Adelaide SHOULD win.

If Collingwood win this week, in all probability Adelaide are not good enough to win the flag and won't be without further tinkering to the squad. I can't help feeling they are a back, a small forward and another midfielder from a real flag squad. A few injuries might grow that list. A few more victories might also shrink it. It's just my take.

 

[Vikingblood]

Best 22 v best 22 Collingwood win.
Current 22 v current 22 Adelaide SHOULD win.

If Collingwood win this week, in all probability Adelaide are not good enough to win the flag and won't be without further tinkering to the squad. I can't help feeling they are a back, a small forward and another midfielder from a real flag squad. A few injuries might grow that list. A few more victories might also shrink it. It's just my take.

Fair assessment and I agree we are short a backman, but Shaw is developing very quickly in that role. As for the small forwards, we have 3 in Callinan, Porplyzia and Petrenko and can roatate Johncock there when needed. As for midfield, don't have too many problems there in reality with Thompson, Dangerfield, Vince, Van Berlo, Mackay, Porplyzia, Douglas.

Our depth I believe is stronger, but I also agree Collingwood's best 22 are better than Adelaide's 22.

 

[ok.crows]

Fair assessment and I agree we are short a backman, but Shaw is developing very quickly in that role. As for the small forwards, we have 3 in Callinan, Porplyzia and Petrenko and can roatate Johncock there when needed. As for midfield, don't have too many problems there in reality with Thompson, Dangerfield, Vince, Van Berlo, Mackay, Porplyzia, Douglas.

Sloane says hi.

Outside of the best 22, in the future, McKintyre (as a small forward) and Crouch (as a mid) also say hi.

Our depth I believe is stronger, but I also agree Collingwood's best 22 are better than Adelaide's 22.

Meh. Not much in it for mine. Collingwood's best 22 might arguably (at a stretch) be a little better right now, Adelaide's has more upside, for mine.