Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 23

[Ford Fairlane]

Looking forward to seeing how adding McStay snd Frampton propels Collingwood forward.

 

[edgie]

Cost himself a possible grand final appearance.

No he seriously didn't.

I must be living in crazy world that so many people rolled over and accepted that THAT warrants a month off.

 

[gtrxuone]

Collingwoods draw will be tougher in 2023.Possibly two trips to Perth, Adelaide,Sydney,Queensland.And 13 games at the McG..They will still have to play Richmond,Geelong, Melbourne Carlton+Bulldogs at home.Top 4 no certanty next year.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Looking forward to seeing how adding McStay snd Frampton propels Collingwood forward.

Frampton would be depth, but McStay is an interesting one. Collingwood desperately need a key forward.

 

[edgie]

They just don't get it.

They think saying we're going to win 3 premierships in 5 years is setting the bar high. It's not. It's just talk.

They think they're working hard but they're not. Nick Riewoldt talks about how Ross Lyon taught St Kilda that there's trying and then there's really trying. We are just trying.

Look at our AFLW team. That's really trying. That's really caring. Even look at Sam Powell-Pepper. Everyone here marvels at his effort but nobody ever thinks to ask 'hang on, how come most of his 21 largely more talented teammates aren't putting in the same level of visible effort?'.

Club is a shambles. Culture is shot. We win games on talent alone. That will never get us to the promised land. Ever. We need a complete paradigm shift before this culture becomes endemic. It probably already has.

Charlie Dixon is someone you look at and see really tries, but he's also someone that has happily nailed his career to Ken Hinkley. We could be the biggest tryers ever but as long as Hinkley is there, he'll find a way to hamstring us further through inefficient footy.

We can try as hard as anyone ultimately we lack the brains, and the attitude to maximise the output of effort.

 

[bomberclifford]

No he seriously didn't.

I must be living in crazy world that so many people rolled over and accepted that THAT warrants a month off.

I agree with you. Looked like something you see every weekend. Even last night there were similar late bumps. What was he actually charged with?

 

[PatientMental]

I agree with you. Looked like something you see every weekend. Even last night there were similar late bumps. What was he actually charged with?

Didn't he concuss the player? Probably that.

 

[TeeKray]

Charlie Dixon is someone you look at and see really tries, but he's also someone that has happily nailed his career to Ken Hinkley. We could be the biggest tryers ever but as long as Hinkley is there, he'll find a way to hamstring us further through inefficient footy.

We can try as hard as anyone ultimately we lack the brains, and the attitude to maximise the output of effort.

It's not just trying on field either, although that's clearly important.

Our captain told us up front that he's happy for himself and his teammates to engage in risky off field activities that could impact their football season in the name of work life balance. Just transpose this attitude (ie that football isn't all that important) across the majority of the playing list to all the different factors that go into preparing for a football game. The difference between where we could be and where we are is significant.

By the by, our club is far from alone. The AFL as a whole has a long way to go in professionalism terms. It's probably why the same clubs are up there every year, with other clubs randomly popping up every now and then if they're able to build a super squad in the short term.

 

[JimmyBC]

If Hinkley has at least one operational brain cell Jonas will not be captain next year.

 

[JUSTWORK]

If Hinkley has at least one operational brain cell Jonas will not be captain next year.

Still hoping Essendon miss everyone else and donuts is the last man standing.

 

[edgie]

It's not just trying on field either, although that's clearly important.

Our captain told us up front that he's happy for himself and his teammates to engage in risky off field activities that could impact their football season in the name of work life balance. Just transpose this attitude (ie that football isn't all that important) across the majority of the playing list to all the different factors that go into preparing for a football game. The difference between where we could be and where we are is significant.

By the by, our club is far from alone. The AFL as a whole has a long way to go in professionalism terms. It's probably why the same clubs are up there every year, with other clubs randomly popping up every now and then if they're able to build a super squad in the short term.

I agree with all of it, but the strategist sucks, the motivator sucks. It's felt for a while we don't have an offensive winning attitude, even when we did we didn't have the nous to turn it in to results, when we were attacking we had Jake Neade playing full forward, and when we had Dixon down there, we were happy to slow kick it around the boundary to the pockets and not compromise our defensive structures or ability to defend a turnover.

But the fascination with trying is odd. I remember surrendering a 7 goal lead to Carlton in the prison bars, and everyone else here excused he fact we put a cue in the rack, we stopped trying, because of the week following was more important and a win had no affect on that. Now apparently we need to be trying more.

Trying simply isn't enough. If you are good enough, smart enough, drilled enough, you don't need to give 100% 100% of the time. You can take the foot off the pedal physically. Never ever mentally, but physically you can. Ken Hinkley however has drilled it in that you need to be 100% at all times, because that's a convenient shield for the deficiencies he produces.

 

[FishingRick04]

Is channel 7 doing the SANFL grand final via the app? I can’t seem to see it

 

[Interstater]

This is all blue pill delusion. I honestly wish I could look at it like this but I can't. There's a good reason why the club has been unsuccessful as an AFL club and is below average on any success metric you can find. And it's not because we lack a tall defender.

Something changed after 2004 and I can't point out the moment it did.

Up until then there was the belief that we were bulletproof, since then we have been fragile.
You could even argue that in the week leading up to the 2007 grand final we still had that same bulletproof belief.

Perhaps it's fair to say we still have not reacted to 2007 in the way we need to.

What does that reaction need to be?
We need to fight tooth and nail to be the best at everything, and never take no for an answer.
The best coaches, the best players, the prison bars, everything.
Courage needs to be shown to turn surviving into thriving into dominating.

 

[Grave Danger]

Not just the SANFL website that's slow to update player pics. Mind you, the rest of his team mates are all silhouettes...



The Caseys leading the Southports 29-23 at half time.

 

[GremioPower]

Something changed after 2004 and I can't point out the moment it did.

We won’t stop, stop, stop
‘Till we are top, top, top​

In 2004, we were top. Thus, we stopped.

There’s nothing saying how nor when we should start over again!

 

[NoddyHolder]

Something changed after 2004 and I can't point out the moment it did.

Up until then there was the belief that we were bulletproof, since then we have been fragile.
You could even argue that in the week leading up to the 2007 grand final we still had that same bulletproof belief.

Job done attitude.

Then we lost really good people like Bucky, who was burnt out from having the hardest admin role in footy since 1991.
Choco was allowed to got full nutty professor because the people who could keep him in check had gone, culminating in the 07 gf disaster. We then didn't deal with that and are still suffering in the shadow of it.
Everyone involved in that grand final should have been gone from the club within 2 years (maybe a couple of 04 premiership players who didn't disgrace themselves on the day could have been kept). The entire coaching panel should have been gone by the monday morning.

 

[edgie]

Something changed after 2004 and I can't point out the moment it did.

Up until then there was the belief that we were bulletproof, since then we have been fragile.
You could even argue that in the week leading up to the 2007 grand final we still had that same bulletproof belief.

Perhaps it's fair to say we still have not reacted to 2007 in the way we need to.

What does that reaction need to be?
We need to fight tooth and nail to be the best at everything, and never take no for an answer.
The best coaches, the best players, the prison bars, everything.
Courage needs to be shown to turn surviving into thriving into dominating.

The club became about the individual.

It started with Bucky declaring my work here is done, and riding in to the sunset, after one premiership. Not a Port Adelaide thing to do. Then Primus wrestled back the captaincy. Then 2007. Choco had to go after that. In the same way Jack resigned from Collingwood following a 20 goal loss in a prelim, Choco had to put his hand up after that. Maybe it wouldn't be fair for him to be the scapegoat, but that's footy. He was a premiership coach and had a very good W/L record at that point. There was still time for honour, and ironically he'd probably have gotten another job as head coach if he did. Instead he hung around, the club went weak, personalities grew out of hand, and he destroyed what was left of his reputation and remains the only flag winning coach to apply for jobs at other clubs and not get one. We had a few moments of good Port people falling on swords in the Primus years, for the betterment of the club, the culture of accountability and responsibility looked to be restoring despite atrocious on field results, but then it stopped. Hinkley and Koch serve themselves first. KT didn't have it in him to insist upon making the changes necessary once it was clear that certain people weren't up to it, so he moved himself on instead and made it someone else's problem.

What needs to happen is a following of the creed. It's that simple.

 

[edgie]

Job done attitude.

Then we lost really good people like Bucky, who was burnt out from having the hardest admin role in footy since 1991.
...

I don't care how hard it was, unpopular opinion but you see the job through. You defend what is yours. We needed to defend our flag, across all levels of the club. Everyone does their bit. He was bloody good at his role, and he left us when he's never been more important.

 

[240volt]

Collingwoods draw will be tougher in 2023.Possibly two trips to Perth, Adelaide,Sydney,Queensland.And 13 games at the McG..They will still have to play Richmond,Geelong, Melbourne Carlton+Bulldogs at home.Top 4 no certanty next year.

It was pure arse they got top 4 this year.
Even we finished with a better % than Collingwood

 

[240volt]

Still hoping Essendon miss everyone else and donuts is the last man standing.

Hahaha that’s the spirit never give up

 

[PatientMental]

It was pure arse they got top 4 this year.
Even we finished with a better % than Collingwood

They made top four because their coach convinced them they are top 4 quality.

Good coaches make plop competitive.

Bad coaches make quality into plop.

 

[theouthouse]

Job done attitude.

Then we lost really good people like Bucky, who was burnt out from having the hardest admin role in footy since 1991.
Choco was allowed to got full nutty professor because the people who could keep him in check had gone, culminating in the 07 gf disaster. We then didn't deal with that and are still suffering in the shadow of it.
Everyone involved in that grand final should have been gone from the club within 2 years (maybe a couple of 04 premiership players who didn't disgrace themselves on the day could have been kept). The entire coaching panel should have been gone by the monday morning.

This.

I've said it before, sliding doors moment, Boak goes to Geelong when they came calling and both clubs would have premierships by now. Scars from 2007 granny linger.

 

[NoddyHolder]

I don't care how hard it was, unpopular opinion but you see the job through. You defend what is yours. We needed to defend our flag, across all levels of the club. Everyone does their bit. He was bloody good at his role, and he left us when he's never been more important.

Bucky's original plan was to leave at the end of 03 (I think - others' better memories might contradict this). He was talked into staying for 04 but made it clear that at the end of the season he was done, no matter what the result was. Bucky is one person who genuinely had earnt the right to move on when he wanted to. He would have worked harder in his job at sanfl level, post 1990, than any afl ceo during those years.

 

[Us against the rest]

Building something special, patting themselves on the back after PF loss.

Nothing is ever guaranteed.

The difference is their coach is well aware that it it's not a given to back it up, the guy is at least a winner and hates losing.

 

[240volt]

They made top four because their coach convinced them they are top 4 quality.

Good coaches make plop competitive.

Bad coaches make quality into plop.

I agree somewhat with your point only thing is I don’t see us as quality yet.
You never know if we nail this draft and move some players on this can all change fast.