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And they sent this right back! Look at him move!!
Hopefully his acceleration off the player and to the football can be a bit quicker though.In that clip he beats his defender by like 20m to the ball. Good signs.
And they sent this right back! Look at him move!!
And they sent this right back! Look at him move!!
Maybe the club might be practicing tactics where they circle zone all the defenders and leaving Gunston by himself in a empty patch in the forward line, something like this perhapsSo what exactly was being practiced there? How to jog to a ball when the defender is asleep? How to take an uncontested mark once your defensive equivalent has zoned so far off you he cannot impact the contest?
I think they call that a block.Maybe the club might be practicing tactics where they circle zone all the defenders and leaving Gunston by himself in a empty patch in the forward line, something like this perhaps
Maybe the club might be practicing tactics where they circle zone all the defenders and leaving Gunston by himself in a empty patch in the forward line, something like this perhaps
No way Nathan Williamson lets us get away with that in the Prelim.I think they call that a block.
I think they call that a block.
they would surely kick more behinds with him out there thoughI think the Carlton board was discussing this recently: apparently they score more goals when McKay's not on the ground than they do when he is.
Just realised I made an error in the collation of this data... I incorrectly counted the bye round as a loss in which the key forward did not play. I've now amended the data and the upshot is that every team now has had a better win-loss record when their key forward mentioned has not played.WARNING: SHOCKING statistics incoming. Elixuh please scroll to the next post.
On the back of this I wanted to broaden these numbers out to include our defensive record. But then I thought, why stop there? We've heard a lot about Brodie Grundy and Harry McKay, and whether or not their teams are better without them. So why not conduct a similar assessment of all 8 finalists? All have been without one or more key forwards during the season. For the record, these are the key forwards I considered:
Collingwood - Dan McStay
Brisbane - Jack Gunston
Port Adelaide - Charlie Dixon
Melbourne - Brodie Grundy
Carlton - Harry McKay
GWS - Jesse Hogan
St Kilda - Max King
Sydney - Lance Franklin
The results were shocking in how consistent across the board they were. EVERY team, almost without exception, when their nominated key forward hasn't played, has:
- A better win-loss record
- A better percentage (except Melbourne whose percentage changes ever so slightly, from 125.6 with Grundy to 120.3 without)
- More points scored (except Collingwood, who score 91.8 with McStay and 91.7 without)
- Less points conceded (except Melbourne, whose games actually become more high scoring without Grundy, on both sides of the ball)
Team Win - Loss record Average points scored Average points conceded Percentage Collingwood with McStay 9 - 4 91.8 81.0 113.3 without McStay 10 - 1 91.7 62.5 146.9 Brisbane with Gunston 11 - 6 89.2 79.1 112.9 without Gunston 7 - 0 112.3 71.7 156.6 Port Adelaide with Dixon 9 - 4 87.4 85.2 102.5 without Dixon 8 - 3 98.9 83.7 118.1 Melbourne with Grundy 10 - 7 87.1 69.3 125.6 without Grundy 6 - 1 93.1 77.4 120.3 Carlton with McKay 10.5 - 9.5 81.5 75.5 107.9 without McKay 4 - 0 91.5 63.8 143.5 GWS with Hogan 11 - 10 87.2 85.2 102.3 without Hogan 3 - 0 95.7 57.3 166.9 St Kilda with King 5 - 6 75.5 77.3 97.8 without King 8 - 5 78.5 69.1 113.7 Sydney with Franklin 6 - 7 84.1 85.2 98.6 without Franklin 6.5 - 4.5 93.2 75.4 123.6
Genuinely didn't realise the differences would be so graphic. So for anyone who's spent the season thinking we look like just an OK-to-middling team when Gunston plays... it's because we are. And for anyone who's spent the season thinking we look like a bloody good team when Gunston doesn't play... it's because we have been.
Really looks as though the key forward is going the way of the dodo. It might have taken a bit of misfortune on the injury front for us to stumble across what seems to be a winning formula, but we would do well to ride this wave as long as we can before the rest of the comp catches on.
Just realised I made an error in the collation of this data... I incorrectly counted the bye round as a loss in which the key forward did not play. I've now amended the data and the upshot is that every team now has had a better win-loss record when their key forward mentioned has not played.
I think less predictability is a factor. The greater the concentration on a key forward the more likely the defence can setup to counter.Less predictability?
Hard to see how losing a decent key forward helps
Less predictability?
Hard to see how losing a decent key forward helps
I think less predictability is a factor. The greater the concentration on a key forward the more likely the defence can setup to counter.
I think overall mobility is becoming more important than strength and height. We all remember the “glory days“ when big power forwards ie Lynch and Brown lead the attack. Compare them to Daniher and Hipwood. They can compete in the air but Hippy in particular is now also playing a role similar to the Fly role in the early 2000 side. Six targets are better than two.
of course multiply targets requires good delivery to the forwards, which is another area we seemed to have improved.
WARNING: SHOCKING statistics incoming. Elixuh please scroll to the next post.
On the back of this I wanted to broaden these numbers out to include our defensive record. But then I thought, why stop there? We've heard a lot about Brodie Grundy and Harry McKay, and whether or not their teams are better without them. So why not conduct a similar assessment of all 8 finalists? All have been without one or more key forwards during the season. For the record, these are the key forwards I considered:
Collingwood - Dan McStay
Brisbane - Jack Gunston
Port Adelaide - Charlie Dixon
Melbourne - Brodie Grundy
Carlton - Harry McKay
GWS - Jesse Hogan
St Kilda - Max King
Sydney - Lance Franklin
The results were shocking in how consistent across the board they were. EVERY team, almost without exception, when their nominated key forward hasn't played, has:
- A better win-loss record
- A better percentage (except Melbourne whose percentage changes ever so slightly, from 125.6 with Grundy to 120.3 without)
- More points scored (except Collingwood, who score 91.8 with McStay and 91.7 without)
- Less points conceded (except Melbourne, whose games actually become more high scoring without Grundy, on both sides of the ball)
Team Win - Loss record Average points scored Average points conceded Percentage Collingwood with McStay 9 - 4 91.8 81.0 113.3 without McStay 10 - 1 91.7 62.5 146.9 Brisbane with Gunston 11 - 6 89.2 79.1 112.9 without Gunston 7 - 0 112.3 71.7 156.6 Port Adelaide with Dixon 9 - 4 87.4 85.2 102.5 without Dixon 8 - 3 98.9 83.7 118.1 Melbourne with Grundy 10 - 7 87.1 69.3 125.6 without Grundy 6 - 1 93.1 77.4 120.3 Carlton with McKay 10.5 - 9.5 81.5 75.5 107.9 without McKay 4 - 0 91.5 63.8 143.5 GWS with Hogan 11 - 10 87.2 85.2 102.3 without Hogan 3 - 0 95.7 57.3 166.9 St Kilda with King 5 - 6 75.5 77.3 97.8 without King 8 - 5 78.5 69.1 113.7 Sydney with Franklin 6 - 7 84.1 85.2 98.6 without Franklin 6.5 - 4.5 93.2 75.4 123.6
Genuinely didn't realise the differences would be so graphic. So for anyone who's spent the season thinking we look like just an OK-to-middling team when Gunston plays... it's because we are. And for anyone who's spent the season thinking we look like a bloody good team when Gunston doesn't play... it's because we have been.
Really looks as though the key forward is going the way of the dodo. It might have taken a bit of misfortune on the injury front for us to stumble across what seems to be a winning formula, but we would do well to ride this wave as long as we can before the rest of the comp catches on.
Big Lions selection call looms with seasoned veteran close to full fitness
Jack Gunston is progressing well from his knee injury, but whether there's room in Brisbane's side for the him remains to be seenwww.afl.com.au
This thread is going to be fun to watch over the next 7 daysKing is returning to his throne.
Just realised I made an error in the collation of this data... I incorrectly counted the bye round as a loss in which the key forward did not play. I've now amended the data and the upshot is that every team now has had a better win-loss record when their key forward mentioned has not played.
We have become far more even all across the ground making us a lot harder to shut down.I think less predictability is a factor. The greater the concentration on a key forward the more likely the defence can setup to counter.
I think overall mobility is becoming more important than strength and height. We all remember the “glory days“ when big power forwards ie Lynch and Brown lead the attack. Compare them to Daniher and Hipwood. They can compete in the air but Hippy in particular is now also playing a role similar to the Fly role in the early 2000 side. Six targets are better than two.
of course multiply targets requires good delivery to the forwards, which is another area we seemed to have improved.
3KZ is Football I believe this is your portfolio?The team is greater than the individual.
Just look at the pies and I think Carlton.
Seriously, can someone please get that to the club. But only our club. Don't tell the opposition.
I think Fages has blocked me on all socials and my emails to the club keep bouncing back. That said, I did get one communication through a third party that said something like, “We’ve given you everything you wanted. We have copied The Over 50’s Clique Official Team to a man. We won’t play Gunners. You were right and we were wrong about Lester, but can you just leave us alone?” Might not be 100% accurate but it was words to that effect. I think I need to respect that request Grasshopper173KZ is Football I believe this is your portfolio?
Big Lions selection call looms with seasoned veteran close to full fitness
Jack Gunston is progressing well from his knee injury, but whether there's room in Brisbane's side for the him remains to be seenwww.afl.com.au