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[SMP]

Play HQ appears to be updated again now SMP.
Alas for an hour or so there it did sound like some hastily rearranged match ups on the Scotch board might be required

It was just nicely wetting the appetite as part of the build up….nothing like a sliding doors visual to trick the reader…

 

[pazza]

Took a while at Sandringham yesterday for a goal to be scored at the social club end.

 

[man in outer]

Any update on if Mr Hill is challenging the bizarre 21 day concussion rule?

Bizarre?? Isn't it based on the best science. You would hope the people who care about him talk him out of taking risks....young man with plenty going for him I'm sure. The VAFA would be crazy to change the rules and OB would be crazy to pressure / encourage HH to play.

 

[Over The Post]

No it's not. The AFL policy is 12 days. The NFL policy is less.

There's actually no science behind 21 days. Not sure why it should be different to the AFL.

Maybe because the AFL clubs have top medical talent available 24/7 and put concussed players under strict testing? And maybe the fitness level has a lot to do with recovery? Don't know, just offering up a suggestion.

 

[Ammo Footy]

Pressure on the Cardinals this weekend.

Pressure on both sides.

 

[man in outer]

Maybe because the AFL clubs have top medical talent available 24/7 and put concussed players under strict testing? And maybe the fitness level has a lot to do with recovery? Don't know, just offering up a suggestion.

Of course its different from the AFL...the AFL would be able to demand testing and concussion protocols to prove the players is right to go. Anyway wishing everyone a safe PF weekend.

 

[flat footy]

Maybe because the AFL clubs have top medical talent available 24/7 and put concussed players under strict testing? And maybe the fitness level has a lot to do with recovery? Don't know, just offering up a suggestion.

Yep....the same top medical talent Melb FC had when they sent Pertraka back on with a chest full of broken ribs and a lacerated spleen

 

[localfootylegend23]

Yep....the same top medical talent Melb FC had when they sent Pertraka back on with a chest full of broken ribs and a lacerated spleen

Hear me out, with no xray or imaging equipment at the ground thats a tough one to diagnose. But i do agree after 2min of seeing him back out there wincing it was time to pull the plug.

Maybe because the AFL clubs have top medical talent available 24/7 and put concussed players under strict testing? And maybe the fitness level has a lot to do with recovery? Don't know, just offering up a suggestion.

The VAFA don't want a million lawsuits after players retire and find themselves with CTE later in life. with a 21 day policy and not being able to to return unless ticked off by a trainer gives them that insurance. One thing I will say is I see a shitload of head knocks go untreated now, if the trainer can't see and the player isnt wobbly, nobody cares, trying to avoid the time off

 

[Jimmyjack]

Hear me out, with no xray or imaging equipment at the ground thats a tough one to diagnose. But i do agree after 2min of seeing him back out there wincing it was time to pull the plug.


The VAFA don't want a million lawsuits after players retire and find themselves with CTE later in life. with a 21 day policy and not being able to to return unless ticked off by a trainer gives them that insurance. One thing I will say is I see a shitload of head knocks go untreated now, if the trainer can't see and the player isnt wobbly, nobody cares, trying to avoid the time off

I expect the 21 day rule for local football is based on of a player missing two games and then be right for week 3. It was no doubt developed based on the accepted practice of local football being played on a Saturday. The VAFA deciding in their wisdom to play the GF on a Friday has obviously created an unintended consequence. Hill will have missed 2 games and should be right to play week 3 as per the intent tof the policy. If the 21 days elapses at 1 minute past midnight and the game is schedule to start at 2.30pm he misses by 9 ½ hours. Surely if he is medically cleared and has already sat out for more than 20 ½ days we don’t let a kid miss GF for the sake of a few hours. While certainly well intentioned we need to remember that it is just policy, not legislation.

While it should not be a deciding factor, Hill is an absolute gun who could make a fortune playing in the paying comps. He could easily be playing VFL but has remained loyal to his club. Heart and soul type and from all accounts a ripping young bloke. OBs best players, club captain and already a legend of the club and the comp. While others will have a contrary view, which is understandable, personally I hope he get’s to play.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Elitism rearing its ugly head! Concussion is NOT a joke, you can't make up the rules to suit yourself Harry, this is bullshit IMO but not surprising given the way Harry's old man carried on like a trained seal round 18.

I like Harry, he's a ripper, but let's hope this doesn't change the way every little tacker playing footy across Australia is treated.

 

[Max Leader]

Elitism rearing its ugly head! Concussion is NOT a joke, you can't make up the rules to suit yourself Harry, this is bullshit IMO but not surprising given the way Harry's old man carried on like a trained seal round 18.

I like Harry, he's a ripper, but let's hope this doesn't change the way every little tacker playing footy across Australia is treated.

I could have predicted this at the start of the season when the VAFA decided to have the Grand Final on a Friday, thus reducing the days between Round 18 to the Grand Final to 20 days.

The question that must be asked. Was the policy brought in by the VAFA supposed to be “miss 2 games” or “miss 21 days”. IMHO it was 2 games.

 

[Mr Platinum]

I could have predicted this at the start of the season when the VAFA decided to have the Grand Final on a Friday, thus reducing the days between Round 18 to the Grand Final to 20 days.

The question that must be asked. Was the policy brought in by the VAFA supposed to be “miss 2 games” or “miss 21 days”. IMHO it was 2 games.

As I understand it Max, it's not a VAFA rule, it's an AFL rule to all competitions.

 

[Max Leader]

As I understand it Max, it's not a VAFA rule, it's an AFL rule to all competitions.

What was the rule intention. 2 games or 21 days.

 

[Mr Platinum]

What was the rule intention. 2 games or 21 days.

I've spoken with some of my close colleagues at three other clubs and they all say it's 21 days, that's it. The great news is that Harry seems to be okay, I still get chills when I think of young Michael Pickers injury.

 

[flat footy]

I've spoken with some of my close colleagues at three other clubs and they all say it's 21 days, that's it. The great news is that Harry seems to be okay, I still get chills when I think of young Michael Pickers injury.

Begs the question, was it a legal tackle that concussed Hill?

 

[Bont the Lord]

What was the rule intention. 2 games or 21 days.

I agree I think the intention was 2 matches assuming every game was played on the same day of the week.

 

[TheCanvas69]

I agree I think the intention was 2 matches assuming every game was played on the same day of the week.

Page 19 of this doc are the guidelines that we used at our club and had posted on the wall.

 

[From45SlightAngle]

It's still a load of horse he doesn't get to play because the game has been moved forward by 24 hours. The 24 hour period between day 20 and day 21 is meaningless.

Yes we want to protect the players at all costs, but to think the league's best captain and player misses out because of an arbitrary number of days and the VAFA's incompetence moving a grand final is beyond idiotic.

 

[Jimmyjack]

Page 19 of this doc are the guidelines that we used at our club and had posted on the wall.

The guidelines tend to confirm that this was drafted based on local football being a Saturday event.

This means that a player who is concussed in a match on a Saturday will miss at least the next two Saturday matches and will only be able to return to play on the third Saturday (i.e. the 21st day after the concussion was sustained) if they have recovered according to the protocols and have been medically cleared to return to play. In many cases, recovery will be slower than the minimum 21 days.

Trying to predict the outcome of any legal process is near on impossible but if he is absolutely determined to take this on and if there is clear medical evidence in support of his case then perhaps the ‘3rd Saturday’ could be a point of conjecture. It is 9 ½ hours between the start of the GF on the Friday and when we tick into day 21.

 

[man in outer]

I expect the 21 day rule for local football is based on of a player missing two games and then be right for week 3. It was no doubt developed based on the accepted practice of local football being played on a Saturday. The VAFA deciding in their wisdom to play the GF on a Friday has obviously created an unintended consequence. Hill will have missed 2 games and should be right to play week 3 as per the intent tof the policy. If the 21 days elapses at 1 minute past midnight and the game is schedule to start at 2.30pm he misses by 9 ½ hours. Surely if he is medically cleared and has already sat out for more than 20 ½ days we don’t let a kid miss GF for the sake of a few hours. While certainly well intentioned we need to remember that it is just policy, not legislation.

While it should not be a deciding factor, Hill is an absolute gun who could make a fortune playing in the paying comps. He could easily be playing VFL but has remained loyal to his club. Heart and soul type and from all accounts a ripping young bloke. OBs best players, club captain and already a legend of the club and the comp. While others will have a contrary view, which is understandable, personally I hope he get’s to play.

Good to hear his is doing well. Difficult one given this could happen for a Sunday game into a Saturday game. Our advice at junior level is allowing 21 days lessens the chance of re-occurrence and therefore more permanent damage. SKOB has a game to worry about on Saturday though!

 

[Sergeant Schultz]

I hope the young man is allowed to play. Clearly disadvantaged by the move to a Friday game.
But given at AFL level they’ve set an odd number of 12 days which clearly meant 1 game, surely if they meant 2 games at local level it would be a mandatory stand down of somewhere between 15-20 days. The 21 days is clearly meant to be a 3 week stand down

 

[Bont the Lord]

I hope the young man is allowed to play. Clearly disadvantaged by the move to a Friday game.
But given at AFL level they’ve set an odd number of 12 days which clearly meant 1 game, surely if they meant 2 games at local level it would be a mandatory stand down of somewhere between 15-20 days. The 21 days is clearly meant to be a 3 week stand down

They probably should have made the rule 19 or 20 days. The fact the game isn't on the usual Saturday shows the 21 days is flawed.
The AFL have 12 days rather than 14 because if you were concussed during a Sunday game and two rounds later your club is playing on a Friday you are able to play.

 

[Blood Stained Angels]

It's still a load of horse he doesn't get to play because the game has been moved forward by 24 hours. The 24 hour period between day 20 and day 21 is meaningless.
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Yes we want to protect the players at all costs, but to think the league's best captain and player misses out because of an arbitrary number of days and the VAFA's incompetence moving a grand final is beyond idiotic.

Surely he will play. 9 hours difference shouldn't make too much of a concern, although, i'm not a doctor. If he gets a medical clearance and signs a Stat Dec to say that there will be no action towards the VAFA and his club if something does happen such as another hit in the head, then its his and the clubs choice. To miss a GF would be shattering, and i'm pretty sure that most of us would do the same, and play.

 

[Mr Platinum]

Begs the question, was it a legal tackle that concussed Hill?

You obviously didn’t watch the video on the tv report, he wasn’t tackled by anyone

 

[Mr Platinum]

I'm sure a few at Camberwell Oval and TH King are praying the letter of the law is followed for this one, despite being fully aware the lawmakers are what the french call "les incompetentes".

Let's hope common sense prevails

Silly comment. One player doesn’t win a grand final, as evidenced by his teams previous attempt.