Preview R1: Changes for 2025

[WeeBlake]

I love how you keep comparing him to one player, who in a self admitted down year, still got 3 times as many. What about the 450 players that have higher averages than Sholl? Stars like Andy Moniz-Wakefield, Blake Drury, Joseph Fonti, Tom Emmet and Kaleb Smith. There's almost a hundred defenders that have a higher goal assist average last year than our champion wingman.

Ok, how about Massimo Dambrosio, AA squad winger? 0.2 goal assists average for the year. It’s a stupid stat to get hung up on.

 

[hugecannon]

Dowling has some nice traits - composure, footy smarts (even if his skills aren’t the best yet), accumulation, plus he’s accurate and dangerous in front of goal

IMO he’s not best 22 to start next year, but he clearly has the potential to get there

Outside of Murphy hopefully never being selected again, I think Dowling is the other player who potentially gets pushed back with the arrival of ANB, that high HF role is one he could played as he builds up his midfield minutes

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Are Edwards, Toby Murray or Oscar Ryan smokies for R1 with a big pre-season?

I think the only two players I'd rule out for R1 at this stage would be Strachan (unless ROB goes down in pre-season) and Welsh.

Toby Murray would need an injury to play.

Edwards or Ryan would need a very impressive preseason & games.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Probably close to what I would like to see.




B: Laird Muzz Wozz

HB: Max Keane Cumming

C: Curtin Crouch Hinge

HF: ANB. Tex Rach

F: Keays Fog Pedlar

1R: Filthy Dawson Ranks


Int: Rob Peatling Jones Draper/Lalor

Sub : Berry or Scholl

Next: Butts, Dowling, Edwards, Taylor,

Edit : forgot Soli ! In for Jones.

 

[Trigger13]

Probably close to what I would like to see.




B: Laird Muzz Wozz

HB: Max Keane Cumming

C: Curtin Crouch Hinge

HF: ANB. Tex Rach

F: Keays Fog Pedlar

1R: Filthy Dawson Ranks


Int: Rob Peatling Jones Draper/Lalor

Sub : Berry or Scholl

Next: Butts, Dowling, Edwards, Taylor,

Like it. But why is Jones playing? Clearly a bust and not worth persevering with.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Probably close to what I would like to see.




B: Laird Muzz Wozz

HB: Max Keane Cumming

C: Curtin Crouch Hinge

HF: ANB. Tex Rach

F: Keays Fog Pedlar

1R: Filthy Dawson Ranks


Int: Rob Peatling Jones Draper/Lalor

Sub : Berry or Scholl

Next: Butts, Dowling, Edwards, Taylor,

Imo Hinge plays his best football in defence & Cumming off a wing.

 

[Golumless]

You highlighted 2 sentences that were completely separate thoughts.

His score involvements are fine but also, who cares. They can be involvements leading to a rushed behind. It's his goal involvements that's appalling and that matter. 3 in an entire season, 20 games, 2000 minutes of football. We scored 279 goals, he was involved in 3 of them. As a wingman, that is wildly terrible. Ranked in the bottom rung AFL wide, including defenders.

He does no damage, if we want to be better, players like him can't be in the side.

Sure, but they came from the same place. You had no idea what a good winger looked like statistically and went off half-crocked on some fantasy.

Here is a better stat for damage, because goal assist is just cherry picking an argument when Sholl put up 12 goals himself (and note: not many wingers put up >10 goals this year). Players picked were listed at least two times in their last four games as a starting winger.

Oliver Dempsey 1.9 (0.9 goals)
Errol Gulden 1.7 (0.6 goals) (starting winger, Sydney GF)
Josh Kelly 1.3 (0.9 goals)
Ed Richards 1.3 (0.8 goals)
Billy Dowling 1.1 (0.4 goals) (for another thread about how ridiculous his offensive output was on the wing, though small sample size)
Max Holmes 1.0 (0.5 goals)
Travis Boak 1.0 (0.2 goal) (yeah, Port tended to list him as a starting winger)
Blake Acres 1.0 (0.6 goals)
Ed Langdon 0.9 (0.4 goals)
Callan Ward 0.9 (0.7 goals)
Lachie Sholl 0.8 (0.6 goals)
James Jordan 0.8 (0.3 goals) (starting winger, Sydney GF)
Josh Daicos: 0.7 (0.3 goals)
Jarrod Berry 0.6 (0.2 goals) (starting winger until Brisbane GF)
Chayce Jones 0.6 (0.4 goals) (for interest sakes)
Bailey Williams 0.6 (0.4 goals)
Jaspa Fletcher 0.5 (0.2 goals) (starting winger, Brisbane GF)
Mitch Duncan 0.5 (0.2 goals)
Oliver Holland 0.5 (0.2 goals)
Harvey Morrison 0.5 (0.2 goals)
Jase Burgoyne 0.4 (0.2 goals) (started the last four games for Port)

What we were getting out of Sholl this year in regards to offensive damage is effectively the median when it comes to good teams and wings.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Like it. But why is Jones playing? Clearly a bust and not worth persevering with.

Happy to sub him out for one of the next players.
Versatility and experience a plus for him but not fussed either way tbh.

Kane McGoodwin, think we will see a fair bit of competition for both those spots.
If Milera comes out fit that’s another one Nicks will want to get in and haven’t even
Included Nank and we want to give Oscar a go at some time.
That’s why I think the wing gets squeezed.

Edit : forgot Soli so there’s another one, in for Jones.