Preview R14: Changes vs. Sydney Swans

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Are you saying that Brisbane weren't the best team 2001-03?
Not in each individual season. 2001 they started real bad, I remember them losing to Carlton by 80 something points and going 3/5 I think. Narrative was around is Leigh Matthews on a Queensland vacation, their midfield is one paced (yes that midfield). Didn’t lose another game but half that season they weren’t a top 8 side.

2003 they only won 14 games in the regular season. Port was the runaway best side but true to form didn’t make the granny. Hinkley wasn’t even coaching.
 
It's like they realised that all of them apart from Dawson are about 1/8th of a leader, and needed so many just to make up 1 VC

So our total playing group thought aside from Dawson, these were the leaders in the club?

And we wonder why we are in trouble.

Now interestingly other than the four senior blokes Walker, Smith, Laird, and Crouch, the next 5 players with highest game totals are O’Brien, Murphy, Keays, Milera and Fogarty. Is that a coincidence?
 
The best team is the team that wins the premiership, because premierships are the only measure of success that matters

We were the best team in 1997 and 1998, and not the best team in 2005, 2006 and 2017
Ok mate. I often envy the simple thinkers in this world. Good for you.
 

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The best team is the team that wins the premiership, because premierships are the only measure of success that matters

We were the best team in 1997 and 1998, and not the best team in 2005, 2006 and 2017

So we are the 6th best run club in the AFL since our inception because only 5 more teams have more flags than us.
 
Ok mate. I often envy the simple thinkers in this world. Good for you.

Thinking we were clearly the best team in 2005 and 2006 despite ending up with no premierships and no grand final appearances is the sort of thinking that sees us in the position we are today
 
So we are the 6th best run club in the AFL since our inception because only 5 more teams have more flags than us.

I don't know whether you could say we are the 6th best "run" club since our inception, but it's accurate to say we are the equal 6th most successful club (along with four other clubs on 2 flags) in that period
 
So our total playing group thought aside from Dawson, these were the leaders in the club?

And we wonder why we are in trouble.

Now interestingly other than the four senior blokes Walker, Smith, Laird, and Crouch, the next 5 players with highest game totals are O’Brien, Murphy, Keays, Milera and Fogarty. Is that a coincidence?
In all seriousness, who else were they going to select? The veterans have stood aside, to let the next generation take responsibility for their own futures - so that rules out Walker, Laird & Crouch. The best of our youngsters are mostly in the sub-50 game bracket, and are still establishing their own AFL careers. Rankine is almost the only exception, as a quality player with 50+ games.
 
Thinking we were clearly the best team in 2005 and 2006 despite ending up with no premierships and no grand final appearances is the sort of thinking that sees us in the position we are today
Nothing I think, you think, or any of us on this ride think, has even the tiniest iota of influence on the position the club is in today.
 
Thinking we were clearly the best team in 2005 and 2006 despite ending up with no premierships and no grand final appearances is the sort of thinking that sees us in the position we are today

There certainly wasn't much difference between the three top teams in 2005/2006.

In 2005 we lost to the Eagles by 11 in rd 1, beat them by 8 in rd 22 and lost by 16 in the Prelim.
In 2005 we beat the Swans by 41 away and by 8 at home.

In 2006 we lost all 3 to the Eagles and smashed the Swans again.

We definitely had a worse time of it come the finals due to weird things - Roo's brain fade / Roo's Parvo / Hentschels Injury / Burton Hammy. We definitely matched up better against the Swans no doubt.

I don't know whether you could say we are the 6th best "run" club since our inception, but it's accurate to say we are the equal 6th most successful club (along with four other clubs on 2 flags) in that period

If all that defines success is flags then we have the 6th most flags and are the 6th best club.
 
Thinking we were clearly the best team in 2005 and 2006 despite ending up with no premierships and no grand final appearances is the sort of thinking that sees us in the position we are today
Yep, and the club has clung to the Craig era in terms of philosophies like shit to a blanket.
 
There certainly wasn't much difference between the three top teams in 2005/2006.

In 2005 we lost to the Eagles by 11 in rd 1, beat them by 8 in rd 22 and lost by 16 in the Prelim.
In 2005 we beat the Swans by 41 away and by 8 at home.

In 2006 we lost all 3 to the Eagles and smashed the Swans again.

We definitely had a worse time of it come the finals due to weird things - Roo's brain fade / Roo's Parvo / Hentschels Injury / Burton Hammy. We definitely matched up better against the Swans no doubt.



If all that defines success is flags then we have the 6th most flags and are the 6th best club.

I think it's wrong to say we were "clearly" the best team in 2005/06 when as you've shown, we lost to West Coast (grand finalists in both years) on 5 out of 6 occasions

We were pretty good in those years but not the best and certainly not "clearly" the best
 
If ROB is a B grade ruck then so is Peter Ladhams.

One of our clubs biggest failures is to draft a young development ruck to be coming up behind the present ruck/s, that's generally the way clubs access the good/elite rucks.

Take the Swans they obviously didn't see Ladhams who played lead ruck early last year as the ruck they needed to take the next step or they wouldn't have pursued Grundy so strongly. Now even Hayden McLean seems to have gone past Ladhams in the pecking order remembering veteran Tom Hickey (now retired) also played lead ruck for the Swans in preference to Ladhams for the last half of last season.

Sydney already had a number Rucks in Grundy, Ladhams, McLean and McAndrew yet they still drafted one of the better ruck prospects in 2024 Will Green with their 1st pick #16. I don't get why we don't go down the path of drafting a potential good/elite ruck prospect.

SA's Alex Dodson if he chooses AFL over basketball should be one of our prime targets this draft, no ifs or buts.
It's looking very much like he won't get to our 2nd pick at this point and the Welsh pick probably would call for some trading in picks etc, possibly putting 2025 picks on the table to achieve getting a top end mid, Dodson and Welsh.

We sure as hell should not be pursuing Petty in 2024.

I agree that we've been asleep at the wheel in terms of the list management when it comes to our ruck stocks. The fact that we don't have an up and coming developing ruckman on our list is criminally bad list management.

Keep in mind that my thought pattern with Ladlam is that if he's available cheap that he might be a good stop gap option. ROB is 29 in a couple of months and Ruckmen normally take a good 3-4 years to fully develop so we're going to need a ready made replacement in the next year or so and Stratchan is almost as old as ROB and clearly not to the answer.

I am definitely all for drafting or rookie listing a young ruckman, but it's the time between when we draft them and when they're ready is what concerns me.
 

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I think it's wrong to say we were "clearly" the best team in 2005/06 when as you've shown, we lost to West Coast (grand finalists in both years) on 5 out of 6 occasions

We were pretty good in those years but not the best and certainly not "clearly" the best

I agree that we weren't clearly the best.

I think those two years the top 2 teams were us and West Coast. Our best footy was better IMO.

But finals is a different beast. Plenty of what ifs in sport.
 
Since the Nicks appointment we have not beaten Sydney.

We have also not beaten Collingwood and i think Essendon under his tenure.

Interesting.


Correct

Matthew Nicks coaching record


Sydney 4 games, zero wins
Collingwood 7 games, zero wins
Essendon 5 games, zero wins

Brisbane 6 games, 1 win
Freo 5 games, 1 win
Geelong 5 games, 1 win
GWS 5 games, 1 win
Melbourne 6 games, 1 win
Richmond 5 games, 1 win
Bulldogs 4 games, 1 win

Gold Coast 6 games, 2 wins
Saint Kilda 4 games, 2 wins

Hawks 6 games, 3 wins

Carlton 5 games, 4 wins
Port 8 games, 4 wins

West Coast 8 games, 5 wins

North Melbourne 7 games, 6 wins

That is how you get a 34% win rate over nearly 100 games as an AFL coach.
 
It would have been easier to count the targets he missed than those he hit...highlights are just that...you dont want to see the lowlights package. And I'm a Pedlar fan but no way can you lack the composure and wretched disposal like that and come in.
and the Swans might exert a tad more pressure than the Panthers did?
 
Our entire leadership team is the wrong message, unless the message you want to send is "we panic under pressure and kick awfully into F50"

Dawson Captain
Keays, Smith, ROB are VC's
Fogarty Murphy Milera Hinge
People may (rightly) sneer at our leadership group, but it’s voted by the players. I think that’s why it’s so big - all those players got the same votes. But it’s who the squad thinks are the leaders in the group.
It is remotely possible that they know better than us.
 
People may (rightly) sneer at our leadership group, but it’s voted by the players. I think that’s why it’s so big - all those players got the same votes. But it’s who the squad thinks are the leaders in the group.
It is remotely possible that they know better than us.
apparently PWC responsible for voting result. Oh no!!!
 
Correct

Matthew Nicks coaching record


Sydney 4 games, zero wins
Collingwood 7 games, zero wins
Essendon 5 games, zero wins

Brisbane 6 games, 1 win
Freo 5 games, 1 win
Geelong 5 games, 1 win
GWS 5 games, 1 win
Melbourne 6 games, 1 win
Richmond 5 games, 1 win
Bulldogs 4 games, 1 win

Gold Coast 6 games, 2 wins
Saint Kilda 4 games, 2 wins

Hawks 6 games, 3 wins

Carlton 5 games, 4 wins
Port 8 games, 4 wins

West Coast 8 games, 5 wins

North Melbourne 7 games, 6 wins

That is how you get a 34% win rate over nearly 100 games as an AFL coach.
for a doctor, you certainly diagnosed the problem!!
 
Plenty of us have been calling for a developing ruckman for years.
I think it is too late now.
We will have to pay through the nose to trade one in.
And the way the club is going at the moment, that might be easier said than done.
Surely list management can see having 3 ruckman on your list isn't asking too much

I yearn for the more fruitful days of Angas 'Goose' Graham and 'Lucky' Luke Lowden !

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If anyone saw ROB's early SANFL games, then you would know he's a far better kick than he was then. Still not great now obviously, but wow those early days were seriously bad. He's not getting any better than this, it would have taken considerable training just to get him to this level.
Anyone else think kicking in a game called FOOTball is pretty important?
 
People may (rightly) sneer at our leadership group, but it’s voted by the players. I think that’s why it’s so big - all those players got the same votes. But it’s who the squad thinks are the leaders in the group.
It is remotely possible that they know better than us.

They voted from the pool of candidates they had...
 
Could we see something like the following side by the end of the year...

B: Laird, Murray, Keane
HB Michalanney, Worrell, Hinge
C: Nankervis, Soligo, Curtin
HF: Pedlar, Fogarty, Rachele
F: Cook, Thilthorpe, Walker
R: Himmelberg, Dawson, Rankine
I: Ryan, Taylor, Edwards, Dowling
Sub: Schoenberg
This would be nice right now, getting games into the youth. I would also like to see Tmurry get some games into him. Schoenberg can only play midfield, although I'd like to see if he can develop into a small defender 🤔.
The other fringe benefit will be it sends a loud message to Mcspud, Murphy, Rob and Scholl that if they want to play football they will need to request a trade. Rob will bring good value I suspect the others will struggle to find a new home but hey it's worth a shot, even if we get future 3rd rounders it's better than nothing and we're better off shopping around for other fringe players at other clubs
 

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