Ratten To Be Sacked

[Ice-Wolf]

Saints fans perennially overrate their list (which is often held together with reject players and duct tape) and it is fitting that the mantra extends to the decision makers as well.

Dude you support Essendon, you've had 3 worse decisions in the last month. As to perennially overrating lists; glass houses mate, glass houses.

 

[The 747]

And replace with Norwood?

Any actual SA club with history would be fine. But it gets tiresome seeing supporters of a franchise constantly agitate for the removal of clubs with a century or more of history.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

They didn't have a great year, but they weren't far off the mark. Lost a couple of narrow games. Win those and they probably make finals.

Match day preparation seemed to be missing.

 

[Veer Right]

You tell me! Your club has 2 numpties at the top who are obviously incompetent in their jobs, and cant take ownership of their own poor leadership and poor decision making, yet the kicker is they have the balls to say they "need a new voice and a new direction" Ha! as long as they're still there making poor decisions, the saints will continue to be "irrelevant"

Zero flags. Say it with me, zzzzeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro!

Mmmm we both know what it's like to follow irrelevent clubs!

Edit - Oh and if that's not bad enough, just the one grand final!

 

[Call Me Cake]

Dude you support Essendon, you've had 3 worse decisions in the last month. As to perennially overrating lists; glass houses mate, glass houses.

Our rating is that we shouldn't be in the bottom four, your rating is that you guys should be winning the flag when you were never near it. It's time for your supporter base to stop expecting top four every year and start digging into the idea of actually building a list capable of such flag expectations. That is the only way a coach like yours will feel "confident" a few months after an extension (news flash, we didn't extend ours). Your response is exactly the kind of entitled attitude Saints fans have held for so long, always deflecting criticism when it comes your way. Get your hand off it.

 

[LordLucifer]

Zero flags. Say it with me, zzzzeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro!

Mmmm we both know what it's like to follow irrelevent clubs!

Edit - Oh and if that's not bad enough, just the one grand final!

One flag in 125 years is hardly worth getting all gobby about !!

 

[Ice-Wolf]

(news flash, we didn't extend ours)

No you fired him twice in the same week.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

St Kilda gonna St Kilda.

Tough for Ratten but then again if you have been senior coach twice and haven't been fully supported, maybe it is you not them.

Or just unlucky (or foolish) enough to find yourself at 2 absolute schmozzles of organisations.

 

[freo1]

Zero flags. Say it with me, zzzzeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro!

Mmmm we both know what it's like to follow irrelevent clubs!

Edit - Oh and if that's not bad enough, just the one grand final!

I bet you remember that 1 flag of yours back in 1966 really well

 

[Veer Right]

Saints fans perennially overrate their list (which is often held together with reject players/duct tape) and it is fitting that the mantra extends to the decision makers as well.

Yeah buddy, two decades without a finals win and that includes cheating to try to get ahead. You say we overrate our list but we do beat top four sides and are around the mark for a top eight side. Please tell me how you view Essendon.

 

[windyhill]

Dude you support Essendon, you've had 3 worse decisions in the last month. As to perennially overrating lists; glass houses mate, glass houses.

Please take hird. Untold joy if it happened.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I bet you remember that 1 flag of yours back in 1966 really well

We remember it better than the 0 flags that Fremantle supporters have got.

 

[Area51]

Is it true that Saints have 11m in debt?

 

[Veer Right]

I bet you remember that 1 flag of yours back in 1966 really well

I am not the one throwing salt. Your own club is about as relevant as the Jamacian bob sled team at the Olympics. I like Freo though, hope you get there one day.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Please take hird. Untold joy if it happened.

Not appointing Hird was probably the best decision they've made in the last month. But that was dimished by considering him in the first place.

 

[Coach_Required]

My take on Ratten is he is a great guy, loved by many but can't senior coach very well.

However, signing a bloke for 2 years and then sack him 3 months later? WTF? that's shitman stuff right there.

 

[projectv]

Is it true that Saints have 11m in debt?

We had $9.5 mil debt at the end of 2021, so probably less than that this year + whatever we have to pay Ratten.

So no.

 

[projectv]

Please take hird. Untold joy if it happened.

Please god no haha. I'd prefer just about anyone else.

Got the impression from the press conference that they already have someone lined up so we'll see.....

 

[GroggSquad]

Can't help but feel for Ratten – their list really doesn't have the talent to exceed the rungs of mid-table mediocrity. If you realistically break it down:

A-graders: Steele, Sinclair
Potential A-graders: King, Marshall
B+-graders: Crouch, Gresham, Wilkie
B-graders: Ross, Hill, Howard, Higgins, Battle, Membrey, Billings
C+-graders: Butler, Clark, Coffield, Jones, McKenzie
C-graders and below: Everyone else
Young guns: Windhager, Wanganeen-Milera, Owens

I'm trying not to be too harsh with my assessment of the players above, but the list simply doesn't have the talent to compete, and I don't think the young guys coming through will take them to contender-level, as there's just not enough high quality talent coming through.

It's an indictment on their list strategy over the last few years – they tried to rush their rebuild by overpaying drastically for players who were never going to be anything more than B-graders, and they doomed themselves for fighting for the bottom-half of the eight at best.

It's a list management issue at St Kilda, not a coaching one. Thankfully, they seemed to give up on their strategy of past offseasons during this year's trade period, but I still would've liked to see them make a proper effort to cull some of the ageing players so that they could bottom out and rebuild properly.

That all being said, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe bottoming-out just isn't financially viable for them, and they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Billings over Bont, McCartin over Petracca & Coffield over Naughton destroyed their rebuild really. You just can't afford to waste that many Top 10 picks.

Given they are struggling to attract elite big fish targets, they will need to start another rebuild, nail some early draft picks this time and go again.

 

[Shane Heard]

Hird would be odds on favourite to get the job

 

[Sky]

We had $9.5 mil debt at the end of 2021, so probably less than that this year + whatever we have to pay Ratten.

So no.

You should still merge with

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary's_Football_Club_(NTFL)

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Hird would be odds on favourite to get the job

Brad Scotts old job at the AFL? Cause he def aint getting the St Kilda job.

 

[projectv]

You should still merge with

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary's_Football_Club_(NTFL)

At least the naming would be easy!

 

[Sky]

At least the naming would be easy!

Then you can say you have 30+ premierships like Port Adelaide but in half the time!

 

[Veer Right]

Billings over Bont, McCartin over Petracca & Coffield over Naughton destroyed their rebuild really. You just can't afford to waste that many Top 10 picks.

Given they are struggling to attract elite big fish targets, they will need to start another rebuild, nail some early draft picks this time and go again.

You missed Ben Mcevoy over Dangerfield and Allison over Odriscoll and trading away our first for Hill over Serong. There is more if i look/think harder.