Richmond; building towards a dynasty

[Tulip]

Sure they are, just like Melbourne were a little while ago

Swings and roundabouts and swings

A dynasty is lots of Premierships, isn't every club building to that

 

[Faz 2000]

And since you know all about Richmond, when was the last time they won a final and which team did they beat, and the team they beat when was the last final they won final?

No hurry, ill give you time to google it.

Hey muscles, you'll note that I said nothing but positive things about the Tigers and how they're going right now. I'm simply saying that suggesting they're building a dominant team that will win multiple flags and put together 20-2 seasons might be a tad premature.

They're doing the right things to move from bottom half to top half of the league. From there they can launch an assault on the top 4, and hopefully for them, a premiership.

I definitely rate the Tigers' list .

 

[Haggard H]

Wow, so much hatred.

Hatred? Smells like fear to me.

Loving it.

 

[telsor]

What ever happened to Dan Connors?

Injured (but don't tell bombers fans, they think they're the only team affected by injuries)

Hatred? Smells like fear to me.

Loving it.

The worst thing about being down is the pity of other teams supporters... This FEAR is much, much better.

 

[Silvagnis]

In a few years time they will have a better midfield than Geelong/Brisbane/West Coast in their peaks and they have the best Full Forward going around in Jack Riewoldt. If they can trade or draft a star KPD and another gun midfielder they will be set for a dynasty.

They might have the KPD and rucks on their list, but they appear to have too many gaps to win a flag, let alone be the next dynasty. Premierships are still run and won from the backline. Richmond's doesn't look like a world beater. Their Captain might be on the verge of retirement when they'd be ready to challenge.

B: Batchelor Grimes Rance
HB: Deledio Astbury Houli
C: Grigg Martin Jackson
HF: Conca Griffiths Edwards
F: Nahas Riewoldt White
R: Vickery Cotchin Foley

I/C: Helbig Post King Connors

 

[Swan2Didak]

The only thing I know about long term predictions is that most of them are grandiose rubbish.

Guess all you want, facts are 2-3 gun recruits can turn a poor side into a good one & 2-3 bad injuries can turn a good side into a poor one.
Happens more often than not.

Very true, Essendon seemed to fall on their sword without Jobe Watson.

 

[Haggard H]

Jack rewioldt is equal to mark williams of the hawks 10 years ago. An average player looking good in a poor team. Either richmond will keep improving and leave him behind, or richmond will stay a poor team and he will stay their number 1 forward

Hard to compare when there was no Mark Williams in the competition 10 years ago. Maybe you mean the guy who debuted in 2002 and kicked a handy 63 goals in 2005, to finish sixth in the Coleman medal. Followed it with a good 2006 and then did a knee and his career went to poop.

Is that the Mark Williams you meant - only you seem to be very clear that you know what you're talking about, so maybe it's me who's wrong and you're actually talking about someone else.

Moron.

But pretty much everyone else is right - 'dynasty' is a word thrown around as soon as a team wins a flag, and now it appears you just need a couple of decent but unspectacular victories through the regular season.

The Hawks of 2008 are the perfect example of the early and ridiculous call - a young team taking out the premiership but then turning ordinary be it through a lack of depth, limited ability, one-dimensional gameplan or just over-expectation from the masses...

.... or maybe it was because they got rid of Mark Williams.

 

[Funkalicous]

Way too much tall-poppy syndrome in this thread for my liking. I think the Tigers have been developing quite nicely under Hardwick. Certainly heading in the right direction and should soon deliver good footy on a consistent basis. Just so long as they don't throw the baby out with the bathwater if/when they experience a form slump. Richmond have definitely been guilty of pushing the reset button far too early in the last decade.

One thing to point out though: It's easier to go from a bottom 4 side to a top 8 side then it is to go from a top 8 side to a top 4 or top 2 side. Every year we hear that side X is coming. - Flag in 2 years. - Dynasty on the horizon. But once you've arrived to play with the big boys, things get a lot tougher. Building a flag takes a long time (except for Hawthorn). You generally need a number of years of finals experience before breaking through. It becomes less about talent and more about discipline, cohesion, and hunger. It's very romantic to believe that an improving side will continue with the same speed of improvement until they reach the top, but in reality the hard work hasn't even begun yet.

 

[Slattery_20]

Hatred? Smells like fear to me.

Loving it.

You can't seriously be suggesting the only reason why people would call this thread premature (or complete & utter BS) is 'fear' or 'hatred'.

 

[telsor]

You can't seriously be suggesting the only reason why people would call this thread premature (or complete & utter BS) is 'fear' or 'hatred'.

I suspect he was talkign about the obsession of the likes of you, and SirJimi, both in the lead up to the Dreamtime macth telling everone how you'd thrash us, and making excuses since (like we don't regularly beat your team).

It's amusing.

 

[Ron The Bear]

First of all, it should be pointed out that this thread wasn't started by a Richmond supporter. 'Dynasty' is clearly pie in the sky stuff, but 'sustained period as contenders' is not unrealistic.

For mine, Richmond of 2010-11 resembles Collingwood of 2000-01. New coach, cleanout, play the kids, take the lumps. The Magpies leapt from nowhere to runners-up in 2002-03. I'm not suggesting for a minute that Richmond will do the same in 2012, but the list itself is now in great shape for a push up the ladder. To say more is being presumptuous.

Agree with queries re the depth of the list. We need to recruit a couple of quality, ready-made players (ruckman, KPD under 25) to flesh it out.

 

[Jesse Custer]

The only clubs which will be challenging for the premiership in the 2013 - 2015 period will be Richmond, Gold Coast, Sydney and Collingwood.

Forget about my club atm, what about Carlton?

What a great thread you have created.. So well thought out.

 

[Jesse Custer]

I suspect he was talkign about the obsession of the likes of you, and SirJimi, both in the lead up to the Dreamtime macth telling everone how you'd thrash us, and making excuses since (like we don't regularly beat your team).

It's amusing.

Are you always full of shit? Isn't a supporter allowed to tip his own club? As for the excuses more lies. Richmond's supporters/posters coming out of their holes in droves is the most amusing part of all this.

All of a sudden you're going to have a dynasty on the back of Cotchin, Martin and Riewoldt... Hahahahahahahahahah

 

[Sloth]

Oh dear

 

[Haggard H]

Are you always full of shit? Isn't a supporter allowed to tip his own club? As for the excuses more lies. Richmond's supporters/posters coming out of their holes in droves is the most amusing part of all this.

All of a sudden you're going to have a dynasty on the back of Cotchin, Martin and Riewoldt... Hahahahahahahahahah

Me thinks you doth 'haha' too much.

hehe

 

[Jesse Custer]

Me thinks you doth 'haha' too much.

hehe

More hehe please.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

These threads are so stupid, for all we know Port Adelaide may end up having the dynasty in 2013.

I mean they did BEAT us on the weekend, lmao.

 

[Slattery_20]

First of all, it should be pointed out that this thread wasn't started by a Richmond supporter. 'Dynasty' is clearly pie in the sky stuff, but 'sustained period as contenders' is not unrealistic.

For mine, Richmond of 2010-11 resembles Collingwood of 2000-01. New coach, cleanout, play the kids, take the lumps. The Magpies leapt from nowhere to runners-up in 2002-03. I'm not suggesting for a minute that Richmond will do the same in 2012, but the list itself is now in great shape for a push up the ladder. To say more is being presumptuous.

Agree with queries re the depth of the list. We need to recruit a couple of quality, ready-made players (ruckman, KPD under 25) to flesh it out.

Agree in general re expectations & list, but worth pointing out the Pies had a lot of re-treads for a few years there (Scott Cummings, Woey, Steinfort, McKee, Andrew Williams O'Bree, Molloy, Clement, Holland, Rintoul), most of them played those finals.
I don't think that'd be the right thing for you guys nor do I think the rise will be so steep.

 

[Grin]

'fear' or 'hatred'.

And loathing.

Don't forget the loathing

 

[Ron The Bear]

Agree in general re expectations & list, but worth pointing out the Pies had a lot of re-treads for a few years there (Scott Cummings, Woey, Steinfort, McKee, Andrew Williams O'Bree, Molloy, Clement, Holland, Rintoul), most of them played those finals.
I don't think that'd be the right thing for you guys nor do I think the rise will be so steep.

We've already picked up Farmer, Houli, Grigg & Miller under Hardwick; Collingwood only added Cummings (5 games for the club) for 2002. While more mature-aged, mediocre recruits would bolster the bottom end of the 22, I'm content for Richmond to make gradual improvement rather than load up on these types as a shortcut.

Was comparing the age demographic more than anything. Buckley was the oldest player in 2001, at 29; Mark Richardson (28), Freeborn (28), Rintoul (27), Wakelin (27), Burns (26) were the others aged 26+. Richmond has Tuck (29), Newman (29), Miller (27), King (27), Moore (27 and LTI). The respective teams they fielded are (excluding Gold Coast) the youngest of the past decade.

 

[Roachy8]

So uh... I guess you have all noticed that the OP is not a Tiger?

Even if unintentional, this is not a bad effort at troll thread subterfuge!

 

[theyellowsash]

theres a place called 'bay 13' for this shit. and kudos to the OP i hope youre right, but i cant go into the next 5 years without some skepticism.

 

[Philth]

Sure they are, just like Melbourne were a little while ago

Do you post on every single thread? if so, at least contribute something.

As for Richmond, nice sentiments OP, but most of us older supporters are keeping the lid firmly ON until we actually SEE some success. Far too much disappointment in the last 30 years.

 

[jusjoshin]

A 9th placed dynasty...they have been building this for decades now.

that's gold, pure gold

 

[Philth]

that's gold, pure gold

Really? You should get a book of knock-knock jokes. You'd be amused for hours.