Was at the game and you hit the nail on the head. That is exactly what happened or didn't happen
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Autopsy Round 1 = Collingwood 69-102 Sydney
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I would put it - team selection, system then errors and execution.
Did Fly make any positional changes, I was too angry to notice and I thought that Macrae did a couple of good things when he came on.
Sydney are a good team, well coached so it was never going to be an easy win for us.
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I guess, but once they went w AJ, they had to give hm a couple weeks.
(not sure why they dropped JFN)
From the presser it does seem as if AJ is going back to the 2s
WHE was fantastic in 2023, they've given him a couple weeks - let's see what happens.
Hopefully there's real pressure coming in the form of Allan.
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Fly has been through this before with us, always hard early on after a flag as everyone is watching everything you do on the field extremely closely and trying to catch up/ stop.
Couple of tweaks with positions and game style and it’ll turn around you’ll be fine.
Couple of tweaks with positions and game style and it’ll turn around you’ll be fine.
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Been saying for a while now that good sides have tall forwards, great sides have 2 or more really good tall forwards. Our game over the past two years has been about opening up sides on the rebound and going through the middle of the ground to small to medium forwards who get out the back.
Circa 2024: The two sides we've played so far are well aware of our game plan (and our deficiencies in attack) so they've left players out the back to defend our fast break. By having numbers back like that they stifle our ability to build scoreboard pressure and they frustrate the blokes we have trying their guts out to play tall despite not being that. Checkers gets double teamed, Jamie Elliot gets no space to lead and we're pretty much sitting ducks from then on.
On the other hand the two sides we've played so far also counter attack quickly through the middle of the ground towards their own forward lines that have THREE tall options. And that ladies and gentlemen is the likelihood of what we'll be facing for the rest of this year.
Oppo sides have lifted their intensity and their two way running to be able to match our own. The differences then come down to "Who has the forwards???"
2024 will be the year of the forwards, having strong efficient forwards will seperate the wheat from the chaff.
Hate to say it but:
Carlton have 2
Geelong have 2
Brissy have 2
GWS have 3
Sydney have 3
Bulldogs have 3
StKilda have 1.5
Hawks have 1.5
Gold Coast have 1.5
Essendon have 2 maybe 2.5
Freo have 1
North have 1
WC have 1
Port have 2
Crows have 1.5
Richmond have 1-2 (depending on how many games Lynch Plays)
Melbourne has 1
and you guessed it.....the Pies have Checkers...so maybe that's 1
Bottom sides from last year all have 1. How valuable is Checkers? And how vulnerable are we to being smacked?
Is it time the selectors realised that we can't compete against sides that have forwards by trying to outlast them??
Maybe something like this has to happen?
B: Noble - Frampton - Maynard
HB: Markov - Dean - Quaynor
C: J.Daicos - McCrae - Sidebottom
HF: McCreery - Mihocek - Schultz
F: Howe - Moore - McInnes
F: Cameron, Crisp, DeGoey
Int: N. Daicos, Hill, Elliot?, Pendlebury or Lipinski
Sub: WHE
WE NEED MORE FIREPOWER!!
Been saying for a while now that good sides have tall forwards, great sides have 2 or more really good tall forwards. Our game over the past two years has been about opening up sides on the rebound and going through the middle of the ground to small to medium forwards who get out the back.
Circa 2024: The two sides we've played so far are well aware of our game plan (and our deficiencies in attack) so they've left players out the back to defend our fast break. By having numbers back like that they stifle our ability to build scoreboard pressure and they frustrate the blokes we have trying their guts out to play tall despite not being that. Checkers gets double teamed, Jamie Elliot gets no space to lead and we're pretty much sitting ducks from then on.
On the other hand the two sides we've played so far also counter attack quickly through the middle of the ground towards their own forward lines that have THREE tall options. And that ladies and gentlemen is the likelihood of what we'll be facing for the rest of this year.
Oppo sides have lifted their intensity and their two way running to be able to match our own. The differences then come down to "Who has the forwards???"
2024 will be the year of the forwards, having strong efficient forwards will seperate the wheat from the chaff.
Hate to say it but:
Carlton have 2
Geelong have 2
Brissy have 2
GWS have 3
Sydney have 3
Bulldogs have 3
StKilda have 1.5
Hawks have 1.5
Gold Coast have 1.5
Essendon have 2 maybe 2.5
Freo have 1
North have 1
WC have 1
Port have 2
Crows have 1.5
Richmond have 1-2 (depending on how many games Lynch Plays)
Melbourne has 1
and you guessed it.....the Pies have Checkers...so maybe that's 1
Bottom sides from last year all have 1. How valuable is Checkers? And how vulnerable are we to being smacked?
Is it time the selectors realised that we can't compete against sides that have forwards by trying to outlast them??
Maybe something like this has to happen?
B: Noble - Frampton - Maynard
HB: Markov - Dean - Quaynor
C: J.Daicos - McCrae - Sidebottom
HF: McCreery - Mihocek - Schultz
F: Howe - Moore - McInnes
F: Cameron, Crisp, DeGoey
Int: N. Daicos, Hill, Elliot?, Pendlebury or Lipinski
Sub: WHE
WE NEED MORE FIREPOWER!!
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Just before the 1st Swans goal in front of the Olympic stand, Sidey and Issac shouted at each other about who should have gaurded the space. I knew from that moment, it was going to be a long night. In 2023, everyone knew where to be and what to do. Footy is 95% in the head. Attitude is king. Thinking we are going to switch some magic switch is naive. Only hard work can turn this around.
Two examples stick out more than most:
- Moving the ball down the wing from defensive 50, one of our players was forced to make a short 20m kick to a small because Johnson didn’t fold in behind that small to allow the longer kick where. The longer kick was the preferred option as the more likely result would’ve been a stoppage forward of the wing if Johnson didn’t mark it
- Howe trailing his man into a marking contest, giving up the ghost and staying down while his man was allowed to jump at the ball and, from memory, didn’t mark it only because a teammate spoilt him. Another similar thing happened in the first quarter where both Dean and Howe trailed their opponent in then assumed that the other would jump to spoil.
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Sorry, I really only got involved for the whimsical s****** rather than making a serious point re Noble.
With AJ, there's really one competitor for his spot, and he too has his own deficiencies, so I can understand AJ being given a 2nd week.
WHE probably gets the nod due to experience and versatility, though he never remotely threatens to dominate or perhaps even beat his opponent - of all players, he is probably among the few I least notice or even really care about. He is just there, but if Murphy returns or some better credentialed utility type declares themself ready for selection, he'll be one of the first to give up his spot.
Noble has more chance than AJ of playing next week.
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Sure but it's much more than that. We coped without him on Grand Final day for most of the game. Effort & system was at it's peak at that time. Where is our pressure?
What makes contested possession and clearances an effort stat, other than your own convenient interpretation?
If using pure numbers, we ran less, tackled less, marked the ball less, had less one percenters and had less possessions than our opponent, despite winning hit-outs (38-26) and centre clearances handsomely (17-9).
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As horrendously frustrating as the last couple of weeks have been, I refuse to write them off just yet. They’ve showed flashes of what they’re capable of - just too few and far between.
The positive is we’ve drifted to $8 in premiership betting but this is from a gambler who supremely confidently backed AJ to kick two plus goals last night 
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Distance covered at high speed was 38km v 40km for Swans.
Top 5 players on the ground for average speed were Coll players, as were 3 of the Top 5 for distance at high speed.
Pressure has dropped slightly and teams have studied us closely.
Given our forward line makeup teams are now more prepared to allow us to move the ball wide, daring us to attempt to go back inside. If we don’t they simply push numbers back into our forward line and make our players decide between kicking into the pocket or long to the square, where they have numbers.
The short term fix for us may be to play one or two forwards one out and push our numbers back, however the risk with this approach is that we cede territory and opposition players may choose not to enter our defensive 50, increasing the difficulty of moving the ball quickly on the rebound.
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The discussion is about effort lacking last night - and it was not the case. To even dispute CP as an effort stat is mind blowing.
We lost the game because we kept turning over the ball with poor disposal.
By 3/4 time Swans had scored 65 of the their 85 points from turnover.
That’s damning- when was the last time you saw IQ, Moore, Pendles and Sidey turnover the ball as much?
Obviously, but since that aint gonna happen until at least August....we gotta get busy NOW
Ned Kelly needs to call in a few favours from his player manager mates and get us a few forwards for the future.
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Maybe there’s more to it than hunger
Also on multiple occasions last night Howe was standing alone in no man's land, leaving Moore trying to cover ground between multiple opponents which ultimately led to Moore having no influence in multiple contests. For the life of me I don't understand why both Howe and Dean stood behind their opponent instead of beside or in front of to block their leading. In both games we have lacked leadership in defence. I wonder if multiple changes in the line coaches has contributed to a change in tactics or communication style
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How is it mind blowing? There’s more to effort than just winning the ball. There’s uncontested running such as spread from the contest, defensive running as well as leading to provide an option or create space. I saw Sydney do that time and again last night, less so us.
Many of the turnovers arose from not having an option down the field due to our inability to spread from the contest. Others were simply the result of Sydney’s pressure, which McRae in his press conference admitted overwhelmed us at times.
Embarrassing. Skills and decision making poor, cohesion was awful, the forward line impotent but could’ve probably kicked 100 points on our backline unfortunately.
Still early but the crispness and manic desire is lacking severely. Embarrassing.
Still early but the crispness and manic desire is lacking severely. Embarrassing.
