Preview Round 11 Changes v Collingwood

[DragoDelph]

Got it, we've kicked 13 goals in our last 8 quarters of football and don't need to try anything different

That’s disingenuous on two fronts. Look at total scoring shots.
And those players wouldn’t be replacing the key players that missed shots.

We are not in full development mode, but that is still very much a part of what we are.

The fourth youngest team in the league. Babies in our KPF posts. A large portion of our best 12 players haven't played 100 games, many not even 50.

Walters is also in the position where he isn't providing anything and he is making mistakes that cost us.

Another way to look at it is, next year we will be a year further in our development and expectations. Is it better to get games into a Simpson or Delean or both, knowing the output isn't going to much different to Walters. Back Treacy and another to lead the forwards.

So you want to get younger and less experienced, when the team is pushing for the 8? So 2022 all over again?

Would be keen to know how much directing Walter’s does on field in that young inexperienced forward line from anyone at the ground.

And yes, if there are better options that walters and Emmett. Bring them in. There just isn’t right now

Making change for changes sake won’t help.

 

[poshman]

That’s disingenuous on two fronts. Look at total scoring shots.
And those players wouldn’t be replacing the key players that missed shots.

So you want to get younger and less experienced, when the team is pushing for the 8? So 2022 all over again?

Would be keen to know how much directing Walter’s does on field in that young inexperienced forward line from anyone at the ground.

And yes, if there are better options that walters and Emmett. Bring them in. There just isn’t right now

Making change for changes sake won’t help.

I am not talking about making changes for change sake.

Emmett is a step or two above Walters at the moment. Walters costs us a couple of goals a game at the moment and he isn't kicking them himself.

Walters is not the difference between us winning and losing. We are carrying him. It is my opinion that Simpson or Delean or Sturt or almost anyone could add what walters is adding at the moment. He has been that poor.

 

[malpaso]

Walters is not the difference between us winning and losing. We are carrying him. It is my opinion that Simpson or Delean or Sturt or almost anyone could add what walters is adding at the moment. He has been that poor.

This. Hell even Wagner playing forward would be better.

 

[Demons09]

How well did that work for the saints on the weekend? At least 3x of those ins hadn't shown anything in the VFL, were brought in because those they replaced were out of form.

Did not improve the side, will likely be out again this week. Doesn't help the development of the players, or the cohesion of the squad.

Pick players on merit, in the positions they are being developed in.

Walters has one thing that those players at Peel don’t have, and that’s class.

 

[FreoMatt]

Sturt and Frederick both play the medium forward role so I think Sturt is the most like for like replacement, he obviously doesn't have Frederick's pace but it's essentially the same role.

Actually Sturt is one of the quickest on our list. He ran a 2.96 second 20m sprint in his draft combine, just behind the 2.94 Freddy was able to do in his combine.

 

[DragoDelph]

I am not talking about making changes for change sake.

Emmett is a step or two above Walters at the moment. Walters costs us a couple of goals a game at the moment and he isn't kicking them himself.

Walters is not the difference between us winning and losing. We are carrying him. It is my opinion that Simpson or Delean or Sturt or almost anyone could add what walters is adding at the moment. He has been that poor.

And that's fair enough.

I just feel they'd have to show more to cover for the lack of direction and leadership within that forwardline (if Walters is providing that).

I would love nothing more than for someone to jump up and take both those spots. We need to improve on our bottom 4 to push further.

(Currently I see those as Walters, Emmett, JOM & Banfield). (Not including Draper, we have a replacement for him on the way).

Ras is close to one of those spots, Simpson too if he can stay involved for a full game and find some more touches.

(Also, for those playing at home, JOM has been pretty solid the last few weeks, and don't think he's the first out. Banfield has been good, but has returned to type the last few weeks for whatever reason).

 

[MadMundy]

Actually Sturt is one of the quickest on our list. He ran a 2.96 second 20m sprint in his draft combine, just behind the 2.94 Freddy was able to do in his combine.

The more you know, never would have expected it, all the more reason to bring in Sturt.

 

[Big Flappy]

We’ve got one guy that can actually kick straight for goal (maybe two with treacy) and you lot want to move him on

 

[The Lobbster]

Got it, we've kicked 13 goals in our last 8 quarters of football and don't need to try anything different

Tbf we’ve had like 45 shots. If you got at an average of 50% accuracy (22.23) and split it in two that’s an average of 78 points a game. I think of First Crack last night, we’re in the top 5 in the league for shots taken. You generally don’t drops players for accuracy as long as they’re getting enough of the ball.

I always take the cricket view for changes. Someone has to be performing to replace someone in the 22. It also important to consider structure for replacements. Tabs and JOM are actually the perfect examples of structure.

Tabs performs at least OK on a personal level (kicks a couple etc) but damages the structure. He’s so slow now that his defender can basically play as a spare which is why Weitering dominated us against Carlton.

JOM goes just OK on a personal output but is being used to plug holes due to injury and rotations. I reckon he’s lined up at HF, C, W and HB at points throughout the year. Sometimes all within the same game. If he goes out, then the player who replaces him probably won’t fill those holes and therefore needs to improve the team by enough to account for this.

Basically if Delean comes in for Walters or Emmet, he needs to create more goals than he stops due to being in the wrong spot or making the wrong decision. Unfortunately the WAFL bye came at the wrong time so there’s not a ton of form to compare against. I think our forward line needs to change in the medium-small area. However when you replace someone, the person coming in is probably more important to consider than the one going out IMO

 

[freo1997]

Delean isn’t ready yet. Probably won’t be until next year imo,

 

[Minz]

The only issue this game (and actually last game) was accuracy. This team was the 4th most accurate in the AFL last season. We know they can kick…. If only they would!

Amiss should’ve had 3 goals when he kicked his first; those misses were horrible. But we know he can do it. It’s obviously in his head. Question is, how do we get it out of their heads?

 

[malpaso]

We’ve got one guy that can actually kick straight for goal (maybe two with treacy) and you lot want to move him on

He needs to actually touch the ball to kick the ball at the sticks. Conversely it's frustrating how much ball Banfield gets in the forward 50 but can't kick straight...

 

[Joao]

You can't use poor AFL form to justify picking blokes who have poor WAFL form.

 

[FreoMatt]

I am not talking about making changes for change sake.

Emmett is a step or two above Walters at the moment. Walters costs us a couple of goals a game at the moment and he isn't kicking them himself.

Walters is not the difference between us winning and losing. We are carrying him. It is my opinion that Simpson or Delean or Sturt or almost anyone could add what walters is adding at the moment. He has been that poor.

At what part of the game is Emmett better than Walters? Walters has kicked 8 goals this year, Emmett has 4. Walters has more score involvements, more goal assists, more marks, more marks inside 50, more tackles inside 50, more forward 50 ground ball gets, and they have the same forward half pressure acts. Running around like a headless f%^# chook, definitely makes Emmett way more noticeable, but it doesn’t make him better. In fact that is the part of the game that Walters has the most over Emmett. It’s called “composure” and Emmett can’t even spell it let alone know what it is. I’m not saying Walters isn’t way down and what he was, as he is and he’s not giving us what I would like, but he is still way ahead of what Emmett is dishing up. Emmett needs to go back to Peel and learn how to compose himself under pressure. A classic example on the weekend was a 1-2 handball he got from (I think) Walker, but he shat himself and handballed behind Walkers back as he ran past to get the ball back.


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[Spirit Level]

That’s disingenuous on two fronts. Look at total scoring shots.
And those players wouldn’t be replacing the key players that missed shots.

So you want to get younger and less experienced, when the team is pushing for the 8? So 2022 all over again?

Would be keen to know how much directing Walter’s does on field in that young inexperienced forward line from anyone at the ground.

And yes, if there are better options that walters and Emmett. Bring them in. There just isn’t right now

Making change for changes sake won’t help.

Might actually do this on Friday night, more player watching rather than ball watching.

Walters and JOM will be my targets this week

 

[Purple Suit]

Might actually do this on Friday night, more player watching rather than ball watching.

Walters and JOM will be my targets this week

JOM was good on the weekend. Iced the game when no one else could. Hopefully he can take that confidence into next week and infect the rest of the forwardline with it rather than the opposite occuring which has happened in the past 2 weeks.

 

[Kram]

Most of this board wanted to end Walters' career a couple of years ago and he came back strong, wouldn't have won the EF without him.

Team also lacks experience and list depth, it's not like there are potential replacements knocking down the door.

In saying that he is like a 5th wheel at the moment and the end does come for every player.

 

[s_wd6]

Most of this board wanted to end Walters' career a couple of years ago and he came back strong, wouldn't have won the EF without him.

Team also lacks experience and list depth, it's not like there are potential replacements knocking down the door.

In saying that he is like a 5th wheel at the moment and the end does come for every player.

Walters back then was different. He was still doing a lot without the ball but couldn’t execute on goal.

This year he doesn’t do anything.

 

[malpaso]

JOM was good on the weekend. Iced the game when no one else could. Hopefully he can take that confidence into next week and infect the rest of the forwardline with it rather than the opposite occuring which has happened in the past 2 weeks.

Yeah I liked his game, he worked hard and he's doing a thankless role playing all over the park. He will make a smart decision more often than a bad one.

 

[malpaso]

I liked what I think is a change in instruction to Walker, he looks to be getting way more involved in the rebound game for us. Hopefully it continues.

 

[MadEyeEmmy]

Ngl I am nervous for this game, mainly because the whole team has the yips. Absolutely no chance we win if we kick at goal like we have been for the last couple of weeks.

On the other hand if we manage to get the conversion rate at around 60% then I reckon we have them covered. Still not sure the Pies are in their 2023 form yet.

Out Frederick Voss (unlucky)
In Emmett Darcy

 

[mightymouse75]

Watching JLo when Sonny tried that torp from 50 he wasn’t impressed.. too many blokes trying to kick ridiculous goals is a leading cause for inaccuracy.. Sonny needs a break even if he doesn’t play for Peel.. Draper also needs a run with Peel

Sonny is usually all class in front of sticks.
Him, Tracey, Amiss.
Need to back these guys in as no one else can kick a bag at best of times.
Walters is usually a steadying influence for the young heads and will find forn.
He always does.

 

[doppo]

Sonny is usually all class in front of sticks.
Him, Tracey, Amiss.
Need to back these guys in as no one else can kick a bag at best of times.
Walters is usually a steadying influence for the young heads and will find forn.
He always does.

Unfortunately with Sonny I don't think you can use past performance as indicative of future performance in any aspect of his game, apart from potentially presence/leadership

 

[anchor man]

The more you know, never would have expected it, all the more reason to bring in Sturt.

He will not play. Hasn't had a game for a couple of weeks.
A few weeks back he kicked a bag in the first quarter, but then disappeared.
I am a huge fan,but he is not showing enough to gain a spot in the league team.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Sturt and Frederick both play the medium forward role so I think Sturt is the most like for like replacement, he obviously doesn't have Frederick's pace but it's essentially the same role.

I reckon Sturt would go pretty close to Frederick for pace. He's super quick unless he's lost a bit of speed through injury.
I remember the pre season clip from early last year where he burned off Switta while taking a bounce.