Preview Round 22, 2018: St Kilda v Hawthorn, 18 August 2018, 7.25pm @ Etihad Stadium

[TylerDurden]

Nash will get another crack for mine.

 

[brew]

Clarko doesn't usually drop rookies after 1 game

 

[realhawk]

Rough, confirmed to have another week off. In Big boy, out big Pitt.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Isn't the kids free tickets only on Sundays? Not sure overall - I don't have kids so am pretty clueless about the costs for them.

Only your life, freedom and will to live. But it's a great return. They bring so much joy to life.

 

[KOLOKOTRONIS]

The Roughead move was expected. It is the smart move, we need him when it matters.

KOLOKOTRONIS

 

[TylerDurden]

The Roughead move was expected. It is the smart move, we need him when it matters.

KOLOKOTRONIS

As I said. We’re loading up for the Ronke rematch.

 

[Carl Spackler]

This was my point with the post above (hopefully people saw the sarcasm font I added).

Without Schoey we don't get those two goals. Yet all he got on the stats sheet were two measly handballs.

Just quietly you're victim to a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Because Schoey was involved in those goals it is not evidence that those goals occurred because of his involvement. Another player could have made the same contribution.

I'm not actually arguing the point, just highlighting the logical error.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Just quietly you're victim to a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Because Schoey was involved in those goals it is not evidence that those goals occurred because of his involvement. Another player could have made the same contribution.

I'm not actually arguing the point, just highlighting the logical error.

Not necessarily

Shoey was able to stand up in the tackle, raise his arms up out of the way of the tackler, and dish off a handball to a teammate

Imagine that Miles (any small light player) had the ball instead, they could’ve easily been tackled and not given off a handball

 

[Ranj Sri Lanka]

Really hope Nash stays in. Feel we could get a better look at what he brings v the Saints.

Absolutely. I also feel we should not drop the kid after one game and may see another side of him with STK.

 

[realhawk]

Will Birchall come straight back or will he have a run at Box Hill first.

 

[Baz_hawk]

Will Birchall come straight back or will he have a run at Box Hill first.

Given how long since he's played I'd say he'd play half a game at Box Hill before a recall.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It’s going to be great to have BigBoy back.

 

[Off The Couch]

Unchanged you would have to presume. Hopefully they can keep the adrenalin going and not take this one too lightly.

If I was doing a change it would be for the sake of change and maybe give Cegs a rest and give Pitto another run

 

[Dewnior]

It’s going to be great to have BigBoy back.

Agree, adds another dimension when both he and Cegs rotate between ruck and forward. And allows Rough to spend more time in the middle

 

[grumbleguts]

Ben Stratton also likes this.

Alistair Clarkson likes it even more.

 

[GlenferrieOval3122]

Birchall wont play this weekend, they will look at him next week and make a decision on what next. Great position to be in with players coming back next few weeks - as everyone is talking about the decisions regarding selection. Competition for spots makes everyone hungry for best performance which is great.

 

[Wesley2]

Hopefully two close games against rivals doesn't leave us with a sense of complacency or just tired. Really need this game, need to crack out the "one week at a time" cliche

 

[KOLOKOTRONIS]

As I said. We’re loading up for the Ronke rematch.

Definitely

I still have nightmares. That game railroaded the season. Redemption needed!

A lot of whatif moments this season, however to find ourselves fourth and the ability to stay there is a great effort.

Destiny in our hands is so much better.

Always the hard way at hawthorn. Never a reliance on others! Unlike other clubs.

KOLOKOTRONIS

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Hopefully two close games against rivals doesn't leave us with a sense of complacency or just tired. Really need this game, need to crack out the "one week at a time" cliche

Agree. We need to bring the same intensity and ferocity we have the last 2 weeks. We do that and we win comfortably. Anything less who knows?

 

[KOLOKOTRONIS]

Hopefully two close games against rivals doesn't leave us with a sense of complacency or just tired. Really need this game, need to crack out the "one week at a time" cliche

Agreed

Internally, much will be said about the Carlton performance last season. Whilst the circumstances were different, we went in thinking it was easy.

We have copped too many reality checks in 2018. North first half, ronke and the final five minutes, Brisbane double etc. All painful reminders.

I truly believe the club will make a massive statement this week and the fear will set in across the competition. The footy world wants our demise this week. You can feel the panic. All the shows focusing on us etc. The collective omg they might be back, is starting to sting.

Our performances are against the script for 2018, and that’s dangerous. We are building!

KOLOKOTRONIS

 

[H2F]

Reckon we might rest Burgoyne. He is crucial to the Swans game, and to our chances in finals. Last chance to rest him.

He was playing 80%+ game time before the hammy and has played 60%, 68% and 69% in the three games since his return, which suggests all is not right, or concerns re workload-related recurrence.

Pretty amazing to lead the tackles with 13 (next best Shiels with 9, Ablett & Worpel with 8) when only playing two-thirds of the game.

Absolutely totally agree!

 

[H2F]

If that's the case, give him continuity then.

Didn't realise there was a break pre-finals this year. What is this, the friggin' NFL?

No rest him...

 

[H2F]

Cohesion is such an understanding-rated thing in footy. Keeping the same guys playing together week in, week out.

In saying this it is also so easy to forget players who are injured such as Howe who was a shining light when when we were playing like crap.

If it were up to me and I somehow knew the fitness of all players my selection would go something like this:

Roughy for Shoe (and Shoe only)
McEvoy for Pittonet (and Pittonenet only)
Howe for Nash (Nash only)
Birchall stays out unless he plays this week and stars in our next two games (Miles has been awesome, you cannot drop him)
Sicily (for Brand only)

I say all these (only’s) because I don’t know the fitness of players and I don’t want to mess with the cohesion unless they are fit and proven.

If we steal a flag this year and make no mistake it will be a ‘steal’ it will come down to cohesion, fitness and form. Don’t mess with that in anyway. It’s about winning premierships and I don’t want to lose playing ‘names’ over the players who have us in this position. I’d also like to see us rest some guys who need it. Rest Burgoyne. Maybe even Mitchell (yes I said it). Because we will likely beat the Saints you’d think, but the Swans game is going to go down to the wire and we need a total full team effort to beat them and it’s going to likely decide our top 4 chances and whether we can ‘steal’ this flag. And we can, make no mistake!

 

[TheFourPillars]

Given birch is not playing this week the odds of him coming back just dropped

 

[H2F]

Get your eyes out of the stat sheet, folks.

Schoenmakers brings more to the side than what his stats suggest.

He only gets dropped for Roughy.

Period!

And I mean that with all due respect to both players.