Autopsy Round 3 = Collingwood 91-104 Geelong

[gouki88]

I’ll help you - he is 20 in 3 months not 17, hope that’s clears things up.


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Wtf are you talking about? That has nothing to do with the post I replied to.

 

[barrackers]

The tall agile cats defenders were always going to make it hard aerially for our small and medium forwards. Cameron took a couple of nice marks for us, but he doesn’t have the class of his cat namesake.

I’d argue though that Roughead’s absence along with Maynard’s rust was just as telling if not more so. I’m also not a fan of the zone defence we’ve implemented in 2022, but I’m yet to see how that functions with a full back in the 22.

 

[No SPIN]

Re the relative pay scales, pre-pandemic cuts Cameron was reputedly on $1.4m, and Grundy on $900k.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Grundy’s salary, and it may be $100-$200k overs, it’s a fair bit below Cameron. Who doesn’t deliver every week and is often injured. But he certainly delivered the goods last night, when it counted.

BTW, I am not as critical of Grundy as a lot of others.

Agree - and the way people bag Grundys contract you’d think we could land a Gun for the extra $100-$200k, which is absurd.

 

[Gimmeafree]

So much to like about such a young team. Incredible what they did giving it to Geelong. Sure they ran out of juice but I think you made everyone stand up and take notice - Pies are on the march.

 

[JoinDate]

You're wrong, he actually turned 18 last year.

You're wrong, they only serve cat salad on Tuesday brunch when the moon is in a waxing crescent phase.

 

[sr36]

I’d argue though that Roughead’s absence along with Maynard’s rust was just as telling if not more so. I’m also not a fan of the zone defence we’ve implemented in 2022, but I’m yet to see how that functions with a full back in the 22.

A full zone is so reliant on pressure on the ball. Are we going full zone rather than a helping defence where they sag off their man?

 

[jonbe54]

Agree - and the way people bag Grundys contract you’d think we could land a Gun for the extra $100-$200, which is absurd.

Look I think a fair bit has got lost in translation here.

A kid called Grundy put that thug Mumford flat on his @rse right at the start of his career.

Currently Grundy is struggling to equalize with journeyman rucks.

It isn't so much how much Grundy is getting paid in isolation.

It's the stark stupidity of putting all our eggs in one basket - a 7 year contract - no matter the amount - is stupidity on a truly cosmic scale.

We are stuck with a player who is a shadow of what he was at the start of his career for another 5 years I believe?

It's not physical and it's not skill.

It's all between his ears and it's going to cost us big time over the journey and I'm NOT talking about the money.

 

[Vicky Park]

The on field leadership has problems. In the rout of the last quarter, I didn't see any of the leaders doing anything to settle the panicking youngsters. They must have been trying to, but I didn't see it.

While I am really positive about our team, and somewhat bizarrely enjoyed last night, this I agree with and it’s a cause for concern. Where was the leadership?

 

[Magnanimous]

After sleeping on it, I thought is was a great game all up.
A few minor things here or there and we are spruiking now.

We have got the right coaching to take this group forward
We have got some quality young players either in the team or knocking at the door
We have finally got a decent head of conditioning
The Board looks stable and the club in general appear fresh

We have an exciting journey underway where we can see this new era move ahead.
There is going to be some interesting moments I am sure on and off the field this year.

It will be interesting to see if we get the buy in from Moore and DeGoey and settle for what they are worth and not hold the club to ransom.
If this happens we should be able to go and get a few key pieces to fast track our rise.

It will be interesting how we manage the next 12-24 months with the following players:

Adams- his battery ram style seems to be catching up with him, hopefully he can show some improvement, he was huge last week so may just be ginger this week.

Pendlebury - he looks great off the back half and need to keep as long as we can for the off the field stuff mostly.

Roughead- has been solid find for us and a huge gap at the moment, ideally he can help take Dean to the next level and eventually take his spot.

Sidebottom- has looked rejuvenated this year and was a big loss in the last quarter, maybe in his second last year if his body holds up.

Moore- solid, reliable but he needs a bigger lock down type to maximise his value, we need to not blink with the contract negotiations as we can’t afford another Grundyesque contract.

DeGoey- has been solid, think he needs some consistency in the midfield. He was great in the first 2 rounds and maybe another big unit in the guys will help him. Need him to not hold the club to ransom as well and if he is happy to repay the faith on reasonable coin it is a no brainer to retain him.

Crisp- has been a bit quieter this week. Hoping he can fully recapture his form of last year.

Grundy- been a bit meh so far, but definitely service le and getting used to the new game plan. Expecting him to build through the year. Saw Begg last week and this kid looks the goods, hoping by Grundys last year Begg is pushing Grundy out of the lineup.

Magden and Noble- these guys are serviceable, and good foot soldiers I think Noble has more future with his speed and ball use whereas in time I think Ruscoe/Dean/Johnson will push Magden out.

Still a long way to go this year and off season but so far the future is looking bright.


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[Timmy from Thomastown]

How many flags have Geelong won lately?

Clearly it’s a need for kpps at both ends of the ground….but that’s not news. We invested heavily in tall youth last year and it’s too early to say what talent we already have.

Whether we need a big budget key forward or whether we go another route with wha5 we have and medium priced recruits is highly debatable

 

[sr36]

You left out we were nearly 40 pts up late in 3rd chump


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If it was later in his tenure as coach, I'd agree that we should have locked that down more. But I think the onus at the moment, coming off such a defensive style, has to still be on embedding our attacking plan - it's only 3 weeks in.

 

[Soups]

I tell you one thing. Teams are going to fear us in 2-3 years.

 

[lenny20]

Agree - and the way people bag Grundys contract you’d think we could land a Gun for the extra $100-$200k, which is absurd.

Freeing up the extra $200k is kinda moot because that isn't gonna happen. Brodie isn't gonna renegotiate his deal, and nor should he be expected to.

I'd look to trade him and then reinvest the resultant high draft pick into elite key forward talent, and the extra $950k into an inside midfield beast free agent.

I know it's not a popular move, but I think it is the right "Moneyball" play, so to speak.

 

[Doc1763]

If it was later in his tenure as coach, I'd agree that we should have locked that down more. But I think the onus at the moment, coming off such a defensive style, has to still be on embedding our attacking plan.

The third quarter was the most exhilarating football we've played since 2010-2011, other than maybe the 2nd quarter of the 2018 Prelim, against a side that will probably finish top 4.

We are evolving as a Team into something very exciting, and the coaches box is evolving as well.

We are on the right track.

 

[Doc1763]

Freeing up the extra $200k is kinda moot because that isn't gonna happen. Brodie isn't gonna renegotiate his deal, and nor should he be expected to.

I'd look to trade him and then reinvest the resultant high draft pick into elite key forward talent, and the extra $950k into an inside midfield beast free agent.

I know it's not a popular move, but I think it is the right "Moneyball" play, so to speak.

Which elite forward? The King brothers are not at that level yet, so would you be prepared to take that risk on them? And Harry McKay aint going anywhere, Carlton are on the up, and he'll stay put.

 

[Finnishpie]

Look I think a fair bit has got lost in translation here.

A kid called Grundy put that thug Mumford flat on his @rse right at the start of his career.

Currently Grundy is struggling to equalize with journeyman rucks.

It isn't so much how much Grundy is getting paid in isolation.

It's the stark stupidity of putting all our eggs in one basket - a 7 year contract - no matter the amount - is stupidity on a truly cosmic scale.

We are stuck with a player who is a shadow of what he was at the start of his career for another 5 years I believe?

It's not physical and it's not skill.

It's all between his ears and it's going to cost us big time over the journey and I'm NOT talking about the money.

Did we still have Witts when we signed Grundy? I can't remember.

 

[NMBB]

While I am really positive about our team, and somewhat bizarrely enjoyed last night, this I agree with and it’s a cause for concern. Where was the leadership?

"Where was the leadership"? - during the last qtr? - clearly not at the MCG.

 

[snagbreac]

I think we play finals. That's bold but the fact is we lost but 13 points and looked competitive. We're not at full strength yet with Roughie and Dean out. Both are best 22 players. And we're still gelling.

 

[snagbreac]

Did we still have Witts when we signed Grundy? I can't remember.

No. We had him when he drafted but not the mega contract.

 

[Finnishpie]

Which elite forward? The King brothers are not at that level yet, so would you be prepared to take that risk on them? And Harry McKay aint going anywhere, Carlton are on the up, and he'll stay put.

You'd totally take either of the King brothers. But Grundy ain't going anywhere either, so this is all just abstract.

We really need a quality key forward though, that's for sure.

 

[barrackers]

A full zone is so reliant on pressure on the ball. Are we going full zone rather than a helping defence where they sag off their man?

Our backs seem to be standing 5-10m off their direct opponent whether that be behind or to the side more often this year. It seems we’re manning grass more.

Also at times if it wasn’t for Moore sprinting across the cats would have marked uncontested. Ideally he’d be starting closer though, so it’s less 50/50 and more in his favour. Madgen also found himself one out against both Hawkins and Cameron in the goal square on one occasion, but thankfully Sidebottom got back.

With Moore and Howe both interceptors it could be partly their style, so I’d to see how things look when Roughead is back.

 

[Doc1763]

"Where was the leadership"? - during the last qtr? - clearly not at the MCG.

Yes, that was disappointing. There was no one to drag the team over the line the way Selwood & Dangerfield stood up in the last.

 

[jonbe54]

Did we still have Witts when we signed Grundy? I can't remember.

I think they kind of passed at the gate.

 

[neilk]

Freeing up the extra $200k is kinda moot because that isn't gonna happen. Brodie isn't gonna renegotiate his deal, and nor should he be expected to.

I'd look to trade him and then reinvest the resultant high draft pick into elite key forward talent, and the extra $950k into an inside midfield beast free agent.

I know it's not a popular move, but I think it is the right "Moneyball" play, so to speak.

And we'll likely end up paying part of his salary a la Adam Treloar.

 

[Doc1763]

You'd totally take either of the King brothers. But Grundy ain't going anywhere either, so this is all just abstract.

We really need a quality key forward though, that's for sure.

At $950,000?? Imagine the melts on here when they dont kick 6 every week.