Mega Thread Senior Coach Discussion - Neeld v the alternatives

[jhong]

I hope we don't sack anyone till Jackson has reviewed the whole club. FWIW i think Neeld and the playing group should be told now that nothing will be done re sackings until end of season review . Let the players worry about playing football , not about if they will have a new coach soon or not.

 

[syl]

I hope we don't sack anyone till Jackson has reviewed the whole club. FWIW i think Neeld and the playing group should be told now that nothing will be done re sackings until end of season review . Let the players worry about playing football , not about if they will have a new coach soon or not.

I'd say they have said that until at least after the Jackson review.

 

[jhong]

I'd say they have said that until at least after the Jackson review.

I would have said until the season is over (it is for us but i mean r 22 ) .
My feeling all this season was we would be disfuntional as a team for a while as all our new players got used to playing together with the rest. I still feel we will improve as the season goes on and we should grow a set as a club and support our coach . At least till the end of this season when a full review can be conducted on our terms , rather than being hounded into it(sack the coach) by the media because they need flesh to eat now.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Frawley won't go anywhere this year. He is under contract. If he wants to go - stiff shit. We don't have to trade him. It's happened to plenty of players before him.

And even when his contract is up next year he is a restricted FA. So we can still match any offer for him and, with Davey and Sylvia possibly being off the books by then we will have the money to match it. Not too worried about Chip.

 

[CWaffles]

Frawley won't go anywhere this year. He is under contract. If he wants to go - stiff shit. We don't have to trade him. It's happened to plenty of players before him.

And even when his contract is up next year he is a restricted FA. So we can still match any offer for him and, with Davey and Sylvia possibly being off the books by then we will have the money to match it. Not too worried about Chip.

True, its up to us if he goes or not and he wont be.

On another note if Watts wants out then we need to see who is willing to offer up the best mids in order for it to get the deal done.

 

[Tulip]

I hope we don't sack anyone till Jackson has reviewed the whole club. FWIW i think Neeld and the playing group should be told now that nothing will be done re sackings until end of season review . Let the players worry about playing football , not about if they will have a new coach soon or not.

I don't think they're worrying, they're hoping!

 

[Bluelegs]

How do these contracts work surely the standard of football produced and the fact that a number of players have left and even more allegedly want out is enough to say the guy is incompetent.

 

[dee_mac]

I'd hate to lose Watts, but I don't think it would be as dire a situation as some make it out to be. On current form, we'd be losing versatility and potential and thats about it. Plus, we'd have to get something decent for him before it was considered I'd imagine. Only early days, but you'd have to think with Hogan coming in next year could play an influence on Jacks future at the club?

 

[syl]

Won't leave is loved and loves those close to the club. The community around it.

 

[Dory_77]

I'd hate to lose Watts, but I don't think it would be as dire a situation as some make it out to be. On current form, we'd be losing versatility and potential and thats about it. Plus, we'd have to get something decent for him before it was considered I'd imagine. Only early days, but you'd have to think with Hogan coming in next year could play an influence on Jacks future at the club?

Agreed. I wouldn't like to lose Watts, but given how we've stuffed him around and never given him a defined place in the side, it wouldn't be that much of a loss. Losing Frawley would be far worse as we lose our no.1 defender. Lose Watts and we've lost a handy utility, but that's much easier to replace.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Won't leave is loved and loves those close to the club. The community around it.

Jack or Frawls?

 

[jhong]

Jack or Frawls?

Hopefully both

 

[Crusty Demon]

Agreed. I wouldn't like to lose Watts, but given how we've stuffed him around and never given him a defined place in the side, it wouldn't be that much of a loss. Losing Frawley would be far worse as we lose our no.1 defender. Lose Watts and we've lost a handy utility, but that's much easier to replace.

I know and partially agree, but it's like a snowball effect! Like when we gave Junior his marching orders. Bruce all of a sudden wanted out, while Davey and Green weighed up there options. If Sylvia leaves, like we all suspect at season's end, then I can see Watts and Frawley wanting to leave also. As frustrating as all 3 can be at times, they are 3 of our best players. Losing 1 of them will make our life harder, losing all 3 would be simply disastrous.

Clearly there is a reason why our better players want to leave. I couldn't care less if Stef Martin or Gysberts or Lucas Cook want to leave, but when we are talking Sylvia, Frawley, Watts, Moloney, Scully, then we clearly have major issues. Jackson has a lot to address, and by all reports he's a good operator, but the football department is clearly priority right now. We're the laughing stock of the AFL and will be even more so if 3 of our best players walk out.

 

[Black Dynamite]

If we are willing to play hard ball with Frawley we could give him the option of the draft or us.
Becomes RFA which means we can match offers and he stays.
Watts can go to draft or stay as well.
Why would we help these blokes get to their preferred destinations when they clearly don't want to play for the club or jumper is ludicrous, let them go to GWS or the Dogs, many don't seem to acknowledge that we as a club do not have to help these players get to their preferred clubs, especially if those clubs are looking to bend us over at the trade table.
Sylvia is the only one who can genuinely walk, and while I still rate him and would hate to see him go, there is little we can do if he really wants out, that is the reality of Free Agency and we need to learn to live with it, as our club and clubs like it will be the Free Agency losers, giving young players opportunities so the high flyers can take them as a finished article.
I'd honestly be more pissed off if we gave in to players like this who crucify the club for nothing more than a handful of magic beans from these top clubs.

 

[burem dees]

Garland is more important than Frawley. Bloke is a woeful kick

 

[maxmustard]

Garland is more important than Frawley. Bloke is a woeful kick

Frawley plays on the best forward every week and hardly ever gets beaten. He's not rebounding like 2010, but his primary job of stopping the monsters is under rated around here IMO. Garland has been great this year but Frawley is a much better player IMO.

 

[RandB]

GONE - has lost the group and the plot.

Just a matter of when.

 

[The Dr]

yep, this has to be the straw that breaks the camel's back

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Remember him saying during the week he would be shocked if he got the sack. How you could be shocked after something like this is beyond me.

 

[CWaffles]

It is time...If Neeld wants a job at any other footy club I would suggest he steps down before Hawthorn and Collingwood.

 

[RandB]

Remember him saying during the week he would be shocked if he got the sack. How you could be shocked after something like this is beyond me.

It goes to show he has lost any sense of reality.

If you were to ask the Mark Neeld of 2011 when we first got him what he would think of a team performing as bad as us now he would have been in shock.

 

[Black Dynamite]

Have steadfastly maintained that sacking Neeld now accomplishes nothing, in fact puts us even further behind the eight ball however I just can't find any reason to continue this torture.
Find someone willing to take on the caretaker role and lets move on, lack of anything resembling effort is also a sad indictment on the players but unfortunately you can't sack them mid season.
This is as low as we have been for a long time.
Being a father of 2 who have known nothing but abject failure I can tell you now that this is alienating the next generation of supporters who are being lost to the club and the game for ever.
No one could possibly be this bad a coach so I also proportion a huge percentage of blame on a gutless, lazy playing group who wouldn't work hard if it was life or death. If they were employed in any other industry and worked at this level they would be sacked.
I'm over this.

 

[youngbear]

Gary Ayers...

• Experienced at AFL level, 53% winning record in 200+ games
• Wants to coach AFL again
• Port Melbourne: 5 seasons, 5 finals series', 4 Top 4 finishes, 3 Grand finals, 2011 Premiers (perfect 21-0 season)
• Done all that without an AFL alignment

Just a thought. I still like Neeld, but it seems he won't be there in 2014.

 

[LeverPuller]

Yup, done.

 

[RedLegs#5]

I'm never one for wanting to sack the coach during the year. Freo are a great team at the moment. People (mainly our own fans) expected us to be better this year, a thought which I felt and still feel is unrealistic. Furthermore we have some really important players out (mainly Clark). And yes, we're re-building (again).

However, these performances are starting to even sway me a little. There's no confidence in these boys what so ever it seems. No genuine hunger or joy in the playing of the game. And still no apparent structure this particular group can understand AND pull off (maybe a more experienced and skilled list could).

It might be that a caretaker coach needs to take over. I just worry that we end up with another inexperienced coach should Neeld be asked to leave. We can't go down that road again.

The commentators said Peter Jackson's report is what the AFL/Melbourne are waiting for. When is it due? Is there anyway we could bring in someone to help Neeld out a bit in the interim. Is the Daniher willing to return and help (half joke, half not. He left our list in shambles and had to go when he did...but the guy can coach. And coach well)?

It just seems like Neeld has lost the players....for good. We are re-building and I didn't expect us to improve majorly this year...but our list is capable of better footy than what we're seeing. I think Neeld might have gone in with his ideas too hard, too soon and with not enough experience surrounding him in order to help guide him. You need to understand the limitations of your list, so as not to push them so hard in a certain direction that their confidence completely dies. The guy has had one of the toughest starts to any coaching career ever though...you have to give him that.

Peter Jackson needs to ask the playing group (in particular) and coaching team 1 on 1, in a private room, with the promise of anonymity in regards to their responses, who has faith in Neeld. If the majority don't (more so the majority of the players)....he has to go.