Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition

[Ambrose Burnside]

What the **** did Simmo promise the footy gods when we were 5 goals down in the 2018 Grand final?

Shit coming home to roost now. Club is cursed.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

The Ryan one was weird. How often does someone tear a hamstring tendon after landing awkwardly from a marking contest? Simmo said he thought Ryan may have injured about 3 things doing that so it's very possible that Ryan may have had no idea that he had done it and directed the medicos to somewhere else (his knee maybe given they strapped that up when he went back out).

Landed on his lower back then hyperextended his legs over his head probably did damage near where it inserts into the ischial tuberosity or pelvis. Could explain why it didn't initially feel like a obvious hammy and with such a weird mechanism would have been hard to work it out until he had scans.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

What the * did Simmo promise the footy gods when we were 5 goals down in the 2018 Grand final?

s**t coming home to roost now. Club is cursed.

Still worth it particularly being there watching it live.

 

[WestCoast05]

I've noticed no-one is mentioning either/both the Mineral Resources Park and Optus playing surfaces..

Has that theory been put to bed?
Surely could have something to do with it because there's no way we have this much bad luck.
Didn't opposition coaches even talk about it at one point?

If there is a hardness to the ground and we haven't approached the AFL for exemption to spend some of our stashed away millions above the salary cap to fix the problem in order to stop shortening players already-short careers then that just shows how much we need some freshening up at the executive and board levels..

 

[LittleFires]

I've noticed no-one is mentioning either/both the Mineral Resources Park and Optus playing surfaces..

Has that theory been put to bed?
Surely could have something to do with it because there's no way we have this much bad luck.
Didn't opposition coaches even talk about it at one point?

If there is a hardness to the ground and we haven't approached the AFL for exemption to spend some of our stashed away millions above the salary cap to fix the problem in order to stop shortening players already-short careers then that just shows how much we need some freshening up at the executive and board levels..

I mean, Freo played on the same surface and they seemed to get through just fine… I think we’re just cursed

 

[CountryLad]

I mean, Freo played on the same surface and they seemed to get through just fine… I think we’re just cursed

You’re being to logical to be in this thread please remove yourself in an orderly manner.

 

[new breed]

Ryan did collapse in a heap after returning to the field ...but stayed and played out the game .
It's all a bit morbid like a show of courage . .
Anyway Ryan is a big loss ....

 

[WestCoast05]

I mean, Freo played on the same surface and they seemed to get through just fine… I think we’re just cursed

You’re being to logical to be in this thread please remove yourself in an orderly manner.

For starters opposition coaches have mentioned Optus surface in the past, so to some extent it is a thing. I recall once an oppo coach even saying a certain player who was on test would have played if it wasn't on Optus Oval.

But secondly I was thinking moreso our new training ground - that we are doubling up on both, Freo only hit the Optus surface once a fortnight.

I mean after a while it starts to make MORE sense than being cursed ..

 

[new breed]

For starters opposition coaches have mentioned Optus surface in the past, so to some extent it is a thing. I recall once an oppo coach even saying a certain player who was on test would have played if it wasn't on Optus Oval.

But secondly I was thinking moreso our new training ground - that we are doubling up on both, Freo only hit the Optus surface once a fortnight.

I mean after a while it starts to make MORE sense than being cursed ..

When Optus opened on 2018 SD played a WAFL game there , players later said they couldn't train the following week at the same level because of extra soreness .
Multi-purpose stadium in addition to playing AFL there doesn't help at times

 

[Goroyals22]

What the * did Simmo promise the footy gods when we were 5 goals down in the 2018 Grand final?

s**t coming home to roost now. Club is cursed.

Well credits obviously.

 

[bUCKET__]

Just to sum up, in response to the injury onslaught we're sacking: medicos, players, coaches, groundstaff, Nizzy, and Dark Sharks.

Did I miss anyone?

 

[Mulldogg]

Landed on his lower back then hyperextended his legs over his head probably did damage near where it inserts into the ischial tuberosity or pelvis. Could explain why it didn't initially feel like an obvious hammy and with such a weird mechanism would have been hard to work it out until he had scans.

Yep, spot on. One leg definitely hyperextended more than the other (haven’t gone back to the replay to confirm which leg but definitely noticed excessive flex on the replay in game) once he hit the deck. I’d imagine that was the moment where it went “pop”.

Bizarre mechanism but most likely the cause of that hamstring issue.

 

[Balls In]

The loss of Cripps and Ryan for basically the season pretty much ends our forwardline. Poor old Noah Long now gets the opposition's best small defender after 3 AFL games.

 

[WCE_phil]

Yep, spot on. One leg definitely hyperextended more than the other (haven’t gone back to the replay to confirm which leg but definitely noticed excessive flex on the replay in game) once he hit the deck. I’d imagine that was the moment where it went “pop”.

Bizarre mechanism but most likely the cause of that hamstring issue.

And if the tendon tear or rupture is at the base of the pelvis it would present as pain running down his entire leg, with sore points in his back and knee. That fall was like a car crash. I have no issue with him being sent out because they didn't know it was a severe injury. I have an issue with the AFL and 6,6,6 rules meaning we can't play a man down, leaving Ryan off the ground and still have 1 interchange space. I personally believe there is a duty of care in fall situations like that, that is more significant than easy to diagnose concussions.

With a fall like ryan's he could have had a fractured vertebrae in his back (similar pain presentation) and been sent back on. What happens to someone with a fractured vertebrae if they are then bumped and it becomes a compound fracture resulting in damage to the spinal column, oh thats right, they're a ****ing paraplegic.

In this situation honestly thank **** it was a hamstring tendon. If it was his back and he had of been able to make the jump in the marking contest after coming back on and had another fall........

 

[Chris_6678]

I’m thinking it’s Ryan and his reluctance to name him might have been due to them knowing something was wrong without knowing exactly what it was

But that’s a guess

It would be disappointing if we find out later this week there’s another player who sustained a significant injury on Sunday that the club knew about but didn’t disclose

Would have been Ryan as he was on 360 before the injury list was annouced.

 

[Convocation]

Really looking forward to listening to the Barristers representing Liam Ryan

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Liam Ryan

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

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Last 5

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11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

, Campbell Chesser and possibly other players in their class action suit against the Eagles Medical and S&C Staff, the Eagles and the AFL, for medical malpractice in putting them back on the field of play by reviewing and utilising some of the assumptions made by some in this thread.

 

[OldBlueEagle]

And if the tendon tear or rupture is at the base of the pelvis it would present as pain running down his entire leg, with sore points in his back and knee. That fall was like a car crash. I have no issue with him being sent out because they didn't know it was a severe injury. I have an issue with the AFL and 6,6,6 rules meaning we can't play a man down, leaving Ryan off the ground and still have 1 interchange space. I personally believe there is a duty of care in fall situations like that, that is more significant than easy to diagnose concussions.

With a fall like ryan's he could have had a fractured vertebrae in his back (similar pain presentation) and been sent back on. What happens to someone with a fractured vertebrae if they are then bumped and it becomes a compound fracture resulting in damage to the spinal column, oh thats right, they're a ******* paraplegic.

In this situation honestly thank * it was a hamstring tendon. If it was his back and he had of been able to make the jump in the marking contest after coming back on and had another fall........

Totally agree!!!
The potential issue not being explored with what happened with eagles having no players on bench for quarter and half is Fatigue = increased potential for injury. What if Eagles copped a few injured players as a result of fatigue because they couldn't have a break.

Solution would be once a team has no available players then we reduce the number of players on ground, remove a forward and a backman so we have 16. Game still flows but the team has two to rotate on the bench.

 

[KERRPOW]

A great opportunity now for the likes of clarke, west, trew & XON to get a solid run of games.

 

[Rowan18]

The loss of Cripps and Ryan for basically the season pretty much ends our forwardline. Poor old Noah Long now gets the opposition's best small defender after 3 AFL games.

It definitely hurts. We've probably lost 70+goals for the season straight up.

The silver lining is we can now see clearly whether Petrol and guys like Winder have what it takes. Long will also get his development fast tracked.

Expect them to try and shoe-horn XON in as well.

We have a lot of guys out of contract this year but we will now have plenty of chances to trial them and no for sure who to keep and who not to.

 

[Free Agent]

Just to sum up, in response to the injury onslaught we're sacking: medicos, players, coaches, groundstaff, Nizzy, and Dark Sharks.

Did I miss anyone?

Just sack anyone making excuses for it. If you got a excuse I want your resignation in by tomorrow.

 

[Dark Sharks]

The loss of Cripps and Ryan for basically the season pretty much ends our forwardline. Poor old Noah Long now gets the opposition's best small defender after 3 AFL games.

We've got Petruccelle still bruv.

He kicked 5 goals out the back-door that one time.

 

[WestCoast05]

When Optus opened on 2018 SD played a WAFL game there , players later said they couldn't train the following week at the same level because of extra soreness .
Multi-purpose stadium in addition to playing AFL there doesn't help at times

Simmo himself as well Yeo have both in the past credited Optus with contributing to leg injuries.

 

[Chris_6678]

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haha good timing

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Totally agree!!!
The potential issue not being explored with what happened with eagles having no players on bench for quarter and half is Fatigue = increased potential for injury. What if Eagles copped a few injured players as a result of fatigue because they couldn't have a break.

Solution would be once a team has no available players then we reduce the number of players on ground, remove a forward and a backman so we have 16. Game still flows but the team has two to rotate on the bench.

Would be nice wouldn't it but they would have given a free kick to Freo every bounce for 6 6 6. The AFL never thought this would happen in a game so there's no rule to allow for it.

 

[Shueygod]

Thought that was pretty straightforward there champion.

Cripps is a fairly healthy player with a long history being durable and staying on the park, particularly impressive given his age. Rarely gets injuries.

Chesser is 19 and played what... less than 10 games in the last 3, going on 4 seasons?

Is it his fault? Absolutely not. But all you have to do is look at someone like Tom Joyce (who we ironically picked up) to see what I'm saying. Is a club "unlucky" to pick up a player like Joyce, with his extensive background of injuries and have him inevitably hurt and unable to even make of through a pre season, or is that bad list management?

There was always an element of risk with Chesser, given the 2 years prior to his draft were injury affected, and now since he was drafted he's had his first season wiped out completely, then backed that up with another decent chunk (at this point) of his second season as well.

So yeah, i don't see Chessers injury as unlucky. It's not exactly bucking the trend is it?

It’s a contact injury, his medical history doesn’t come into it at all.

Unless you are superstitious and believe he’s cursed it’s simply unlucky.

No one afl player is more likely to get that type of injury than another.

If he were to get concussed would that be unlucky?

The soft tissue injuries I agree, luck plays a far smaller hand.