Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition

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Total_Juddshanks said:
Its pretty extraordinary that 4 weeks in, after a lot of chest beating about how healthy the list was we are staring down the barrel of another season ruined by injuries.
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The club can claim it's bad luck, but when it continues to happen they can't continue to blame bad luck. Clearly the club is not training the players properly, the medical staff are incompetent, the players aren't training properly for their own bodies, the surface sucks where they train or a bit of everything. Anyway you slice it the club needs to take responsibility and fix it and not blame poor luck.

Also I've looked for it online but wasn't able to find anything - number of games missed through injury the past 5 years. I think WC would be easily in 1st place, they may even double the 2nd placed team.
 

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Total_Juddshanks said:
Its pretty extraordinary that 4 weeks in, after a lot of chest beating about how healthy the list was we are staring down the barrel of another season ruined by injuries.
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On the week of the derby we had 38 players available

Of the 6 unavailable, Burgiel and Yeo both played this weekend. Jamieson is close to a return. Williams (spleen), Naitanui (Achilles) and Baker (unknown) were the only longer term issues

In the space of a week we lost 8 players, all but 2 of which were collision related

Shit happens and you can’t help bad luck

Besides all things being equal we’ll be back to having 36-37 players available this weekend which is not ideal but nor is it catastrophic
 
Just a bit more worrying news I heard on 6PR after the game.

Apparently Tom Cole came off the ground about 5 or so minutes from the final siren, went into the rooms, came back onto the bench with the outside of his ankle iced and looked extremely dejected on the bench. "Head in hands". Ground reporter speculated that where the ice was placed indicated another syndesmosis problem.

I don't think Simpson mentioned this in his presser, he may not have known at that time.
 
Nuke Fremantle said:
Just a bit more worrying news I heard on 6PR after the game.

Apparently Tom Cole came off the ground about 5 or so minutes from the final siren, went into the rooms, came back onto the bench with the outside of his ankle iced and looked extremely dejected on the bench. "Head in hands". Ground reporter speculated that where the ice was placed indicated another syndesmosis problem.

I don't think Simpson mentioned this in his presser, he may not have known at that time.
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I went back and watched the last 10 minutes of the match

There was no passage of play that Cole was involved in that caused an injury

That said he wasn’t really involved in any play in that time

He was on the ground with about 7-8 minutes left on the clock running back in defence but after that I couldn’t pick him up. Certainly during the last moments of the game he didn’t seem to be on the field when there was a wide camera shot

So if he’s hurt his ankle, something has happened off ball to cause the injury

Guess we’ll have to wait for any details as aside from what you’ve said 6PR reported there’s been nothing mentioned
 
There are some elements of luck and probably some management issues as well. Most of our injuries have been to older players who tend to breakdown earlier in WA with all of the travel. The ones that hurt are Chesser and Williams.

The positive thing about our injury carnage over the last couple of years is it accelerates the rebuild. We are finishing bottom 4 rather than a middling side giving us better draft picks and more opportunity to play them.


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Nuffington Post said:
The positive thing about our injury carnage over the last couple of years is it accelerates the rebuild. We are finishing bottom 4 rather than a middling side giving us better draft picks and more opportunity to play them.
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Injuries doing what our MC probably wouldn’t. My only concern is injuries to long term players - like Ryan or Chesser - that may affect them into the future.
 


Injury list

Campbell Chesser Knee TBC

Jamie Cripps Ankle TBC

Harry Edwards Ankle Test

Callum Jamieson Ankle 1-2 weeks

Jeremy McGovern Hamstring TBC

Nic Naitanui Achilles TBC

Liam Ryan Hamstring TBC

Dom Sheed Throat Test

Luke Shuey Hamstring 1-2 weeks

Jack Williams Spleen 5-6 weeks

Alex Witherden Concussion protocols Test
Chesser is already doing straight line running so hopefully he is back soonish.
 

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Mop said:
What the hell is a conditioning block?
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Basically like a mini preseason obviously not fit enough yet to be involved in a game,
Good to see us get a few soldiers back in the next week
Should have Shuey, Jamieson, Witherden, Sheed, Edwards, Baker back for at least some wafl minutes by round 6 that’s a fair chunk of the injury list.
 
Assuming Edwards, Witherden and Sheed get through their fitness tests and there’s no mystery injuries revealed at selection we should have 35 players available - an increase of 3 from last week
 
Im not loving the TBC next to our long term injuries. When I see that, I figure it means they're pretty much gone for the season.
 
Rowan18 said:
Im not loving the TBC next to our long term injuries. When I see that, I figure it means they're pretty much gone for the season.
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A quick google search of Achilles injuries says the timeline for recovery is 4 - 6 months to be able to go about your day to day business without hindrance and 6 - 12 months for a full recovery. So given an AFL player would need a full recovery to start playing again, and assuming Natanui did it around New Year, mid year was always the absolute best case scenario for him. And they won't roll him out this year unless a decision is made that this is his last year and they want to give him a farewell game. Which he is unlikely to agree to given he has a contract for next year. If they play him July or August and he does it again then his pre season for 2024 is gone at a minimum and it may even be into next season before he can do any kind of training again. They won't risk that.

Credit to Simpson for getting sick of being asked to lie about it after only 3 weeks and pulling the pin on the charade. I think he is the sort of bloke who doesn't like being asked to peddle bull****. It's exhausting and leaves a bad taste in your mouth if you are an honest person. I reckon he was probably asked by Nisbett to keep saying "Maybe next week ..." all through the first half of the season for marketing and supporter morale reasons given Natanui is the face of the club. And it is more proof of what a bunch of lying propagandists Channel 7 are. Natanui basically works for them. Do you think they didn't know it was a long term injury?
 
Im by no means an athlete, far from it- but I have Achilles tendinitis in both legs. It’s a pain in the neck because you can run a bit but it’s consistently painful and you lose a lot of power.

For Nic, a burst athlete trying to build fitness it would be incredibly frustrating. When your whole game is based off bursts like the ruckman he is I can appreciate why they are taking the time to build again.

I can empathise and will not be surprised if this inevitably becomes season over. It’s so much based on building up connected muscles and trying to work through pain. Slow process.

So silly from the club to think that it wouldn’t be questioned when he inevitably didn’t return in round 2.
 
Deplorable trumpster said:
A quick google search of Achilles injuries says the timeline for recovery is 4 - 6 months to be able to go about your day to day business without hindrance and 6 - 12 months for a full recovery. So given an AFL player would need a full recovery to start playing again, and assuming Natanui did it around New Year, mid year was always the absolute best case scenario for him. And they won't roll him out this year unless a decision is made that this is his last year and they want to give him a farewell game. Which he is unlikely to agree to given he has a contract for next year. If they play him July or August and he does it again then his pre season for 2024 is gone at a minimum and it may even be into next season before he can do any kind of training again. They won't risk that.

Credit to Simpson for getting sick of being asked to lie about it after only 3 weeks and pulling the pin on the charade. I think he is the sort of bloke who doesn't like being asked to peddle bull****. It's exhausting and leaves a bad taste in your mouth if you are an honest person. I reckon he was probably asked by Nisbett to keep saying "Maybe next week ..." all through the first half of the season for marketing and supporter morale reasons given Natanui is the face of the club. And it is more proof of what a bunch of lying propagandists Channel 7 are. Natanui basically works for them. Do you think they didn't know it was a long term injury?
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The Achilles injury recovery period depends on what the injury actually is.

If it’s a full rupture, then 6-12 months is the appropriate timeframe for a professional athlete with full time medical care.

If it’s a strain, or just pain/inflammation, the recovery is not as long as the full year, but can be frustratingly slow.

I assume it’s the latter given the lack of surgery.

In any case, it’s an absolutely shocking injury the Achilles rupture. I’m 18 months post surgery and nowhere near full fitness, and probably never will be. Enough to keep up with my 4 year old for now though.
 
jesterwester said:
Im by no means an athlete, far from it- but I have Achilles tendinitis in both legs. It’s a pain in the neck because you can run a bit but it’s consistently painful and you lose a lot of power.

For Nic, a burst athlete trying to build fitness it would be incredibly frustrating. When your whole game is based off bursts like the ruckman he is I can appreciate why they are taking the time to build again.

I can empathise and will not be surprised if this inevitably becomes season over. It’s so much based on building up connected muscles and trying to work through pain. Slow process.

So silly from the club to think that it wouldn’t be questioned when he inevitably didn’t return in round 2.
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As a former ammos ruckman and basketballer, I’ve had Achilles tendinitis as well. Incredibly frustrating and painful injury, which you can play on but just becomes worse over time. Physios advice was no running for 3 months alongside strengthening of muscles around the Achilles. So it effectively becomes a 3-6 month injury.


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