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Glad you are happy for them SA Hawk...
Maybe a bit sour but you know what I don't respect them as club at all.
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Maybe a bit sour but you know what I don't respect them as club at all.
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beardrinksbeer
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I feel sorry for Jaeger O'Meara, he did not get a chance to play in a final
He has had a grouse season, after what happenned/didn't happen the years before
I do not feel sorry for the umpires tonight. It reminded me of the 70's where the Hawks had to beat the umpires as well as the opposition
At least Tom Mitchell will win Charlie, the umps can't be that ******* useless (or can they)
Can we change the play style next year, where we kick it forwards more than backwards?
In the early part of this year we kicked backwards & did not win many games, then after the bye we went more direct towards the goals & we got into the 4
Can we also go back to being "un-sociable" Hawks, they were good times; we were getting nothing from the umps, so it did not matter
He has had a grouse season, after what happenned/didn't happen the years before
I do not feel sorry for the umpires tonight. It reminded me of the 70's where the Hawks had to beat the umpires as well as the opposition
At least Tom Mitchell will win Charlie, the umps can't be that ******* useless (or can they)
Can we change the play style next year, where we kick it forwards more than backwards?
In the early part of this year we kicked backwards & did not win many games, then after the bye we went more direct towards the goals & we got into the 4
Can we also go back to being "un-sociable" Hawks, they were good times; we were getting nothing from the umps, so it did not matter
Deemanding
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I guess that win against West Coast in Perth was just figment of my imagination then...
Anywho pardon the intrusion, just thought I'd say that for mine the bottom 4 for each team was indicative of the difference between the teams.
You guys got very little out of Nash, Worpel (other than the goal in the 1st), Duryea (he had a shocker) and Schoenmakers (also had minimal impact after the first 5 minutes).
Our worst on from the stats sheet were probably Hannan, Neal-Bullen, Tyson and Melksham, but their overall impact was greater around the ground and provided a lot more pressure.
Really surprised that Brand was left out as he would've given the defence more balance, though will admit I see 0 of Box Hill. And O'Brien saves his best for playing us so was relieved not to see his name on Thursday evening.
Re umpiring, yep there were 2 instances of incorrect disposal that we were lucky to get away with. Meanwhile most of our fans were peeved about the Brayshaw below the knees contact. Those in fluoro yellow didn't have a good night.
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Disappointing way to end the season. Particularly after how hard they worked in the last leg of the season to make top 4.
I thought both teams were quite evenly matched tonight. Most of the stats reflect that, except for the key one: the scoreboard. They took their chances in front of goal and were a lot luckier than us with a few arsey goals making it through the big sticks.
Given the loss of O'Meara and Stratton for this game we really weren't that far off them. Those two back in and kick a bit straighter and I think we would have won that. But we didn't, so we move on.
Overall a great season given the adversities faced. We sadly lost Cyril from footy too early, not getting Birchall back in time, etc.
But huge positives to be taken. Mitchell setting an even higher standard winning the AFLPA's MVP award and possibly a Brownlow. O'Meara playing 95% of the season in career best form and with scope for even more improvement next year. Sicily stamping his stardom on the comp. Unearthing some great future 200+ game players in Morrison and Worpel. Another season of development into guys like Burton, Howe, Miles, Brand and Hardwick. The potential shown by speculative rookie picks like Nash, Cousins, Hanrahan, Lewis, etc.
Now with something like $2M+ free in our salary cap and a reported "super draft" in front of us there's plenty that can be done for our list this post season that should have us very excited and expecting another finals appearance in 2019.
I thought both teams were quite evenly matched tonight. Most of the stats reflect that, except for the key one: the scoreboard. They took their chances in front of goal and were a lot luckier than us with a few arsey goals making it through the big sticks.
Given the loss of O'Meara and Stratton for this game we really weren't that far off them. Those two back in and kick a bit straighter and I think we would have won that. But we didn't, so we move on.
Overall a great season given the adversities faced. We sadly lost Cyril from footy too early, not getting Birchall back in time, etc.
But huge positives to be taken. Mitchell setting an even higher standard winning the AFLPA's MVP award and possibly a Brownlow. O'Meara playing 95% of the season in career best form and with scope for even more improvement next year. Sicily stamping his stardom on the comp. Unearthing some great future 200+ game players in Morrison and Worpel. Another season of development into guys like Burton, Howe, Miles, Brand and Hardwick. The potential shown by speculative rookie picks like Nash, Cousins, Hanrahan, Lewis, etc.
Now with something like $2M+ free in our salary cap and a reported "super draft" in front of us there's plenty that can be done for our list this post season that should have us very excited and expecting another finals appearance in 2019.
His lookalike played pretty well last week.
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Mirra was bad. At the MCG ground level yjy could see lacking marking ability, he’s slow not a good decision maker.
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Love our boys, proud of them. Overachieved massively this season.
Melbourne were the better side, converted and took their chances.
We will be better for the experience, the young blokes need to learn... we are still transitioning in the new era.
LOTS to look forward to....
Melbourne were the better side, converted and took their chances.
We will be better for the experience, the young blokes need to learn... we are still transitioning in the new era.
LOTS to look forward to....
Not sure it would have helped that much, we played close to bottom four too.
You never know though I guess.
Can't help but wonder what our game plan is. Whatever it was, it didn't work the last two weeks.
We get bundled out of contests too easily, and seem to require putting our players in harms way, at every opportunity. We looked apprehensive, and physically incapable of putting up a fight.
If we kicked better, maybe that changes. But my gut says that it doesn't. We were overwhelmed physically, as much as anything.
If Clarko isn't going to go with the manic, chaos, human wave game plan that runs to regimented team rules the way the Tigers and now Melbourne do, he needs to be something different to what we have now.
It might even be time to re-think the slim build of our players, or approach to strength building we have. Even if it's a tweak, we don't look, or haven't looked strong enough in contests when things tighten up this finals series.
Have always thought that AFL would evolved to a sport that becomes super highly skilled, and possession of the ball is maintained by teams better and better as it evolves. It actually seems to be taking a big step away from that. Teams don't want to control the ball, they just want it cannoning forward. They set defensive traps, and then explode.
Instead of the skills elevating themselves, and the game becoming prettier and smarter, it's the cohesiveness of teams and brute force of the playing group, that continues to be refined. The way AFL is umpired, with tackles not always rewarded, a lot of bodies being taken out of contests without the ball being the focus etc., plays right into this.
You can bitch about the right and wrong of it, but it's happening, and we're trying to go the other way, without a playing group that can do it.
Maybe the selection of Duryea and Mirra was in indication that the club knows that already. Hard to see why they came in over Brand and Miles, unless it was because they are physically up for being battered better than the more skilled and creative players.
But we weren't good enough against the Dees either way. Which was terrible, because they looked eminently gettable in the game. Our good, recent finals sides would have put them to the sword by half time. Hard to say if those same sides would have coped with Richmond's style. They certainly had more talent than Richmond do. But it's hard to say whether talent and ball control alone are the answer. You can control the ball all night, but if the opposition explode and get goals every time they break a ball loose in a contest, it might require something more.
If you mean his marking the ball, I would argue he's better than a lot of our guys are.
But he's definitely slow, and not a creative player by any measure.
He's not the reason why we lost though. We have some bigger problems up forward. We looked one paced, and impotent once September started.
Tigers and Melbourne picked our forwards apart, and used it to attack.
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Totally agree with all that.
eff off hawks..... you know who you are.. you know which ones of you missed goal after goal and let the team down.... were you paid to do it> did you back yourself to lose????
I dont think I have ever been more disappointed...
and to those of you who gave it your all.. I am proud of you ad I am sorry your efforts were tossed in your face
I dont think I have ever been more disappointed...
and to those of you who gave it your all.. I am proud of you ad I am sorry your efforts were tossed in your face
Reasonable post.
In relation to Perth, when truly contending season matches mean little.
We are an experienced supporter base that has endured much pain to get to our three peat. We do it the hard way at hawthorn.
Anything less than a win in Perth and the season means zero. It isn’t easy to follow up year after year. So much needs to go right at the right time.
Your team was better tonight, however you haven’t beaten anyone. The cats are on a serious decline, and hawthorn had significant outs whilst rebuilding on the fly.
Well done tonight for beating a great club, however no one remembers preliminary finalists or runners up really (unless they get pumped by record margins) ...
The following clubs have been “brave” in the past decade
Saints 09/10 - means zero failures
Cats since 11 - finals appearances with a seemingly great list full of top ups - failed
Freo 13- never recovered
Adelaide 12 prelim and gf last year - means zero
Port prelim - lol. Never recovered
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The AFL Giants? No bloody way.
The one where they had their best 4 players all out, i.e. Gaff, NicNat, Darling , Kennedy? Not nothing, but not as much as it would if they had at least Darling and Kennedy in, especially not losing Darling in the first 5 minutes so he can't be replaced in the side.
Nash and Worpel have played about as many games between them as your single most inexperienced player, and that makes a huge difference. It was no surprise you've put them bottom 4, although Worpel was a lot better this week than last IMO.
Yes, I'd forgotten O'Brien was a Melbourne specialist. Apparently the match committee did too. The scheduling of Thursday and Friday night has really done us no favours. Means we had to go in last week with no 'get touch' game for Sicily, and reduced our choices drastically on who we had to pick from this week. Brand had a really good VFL game, as did a few others (having won and made the prelim), but they didn't seem keen to consider any of the players coming off the short break, and all the ins came from the players held back from last weekend's game. We've had really annoying churn in the backline over the last few weeks, which is the opposite of what you want with Frawley, Sicily, Stratton, Mirra, Miles , Duryea and Brand all bobbing in or out of the side. At the end of the day, without O'Meara, it was just too much for Mitchell to carry our midfield against one as deep as yours. Shiels battled hard but as much as I like Shiels, we are not going to win many games against decent teams if he is our #2 mid.
Below the knees should just be gotten rid of. Thought the umpiring was the least of our concerns (and helped our almost-comeback in the last). We should have put you under considerable scoreboard pressure by the end of the second quarter which we pretty much dominated. Second week in a row you could argue our inaccuracy cost us a chance of at least getting into a position where a win was possible.
Of course GWS all the way. It renders the season completely irrelevant. GWS potentially may not exist by 2035. The project is failing miserably.
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I hope you are embarrassed with this post in the cold hard light of day.
Not to mention the abuse some posters received in the preview threads for being “negative” before the game. I too thought we had little chance as our list is no where near strong enough and losing Stratts and Jaeger did us no favours either. Time to reset, another mini clean out and bring in some new faces. Hopefully we’ll be back as a genuine contender in the next tee years.
Well there are a few things going on. We've introduced a bunch of new teams since the sport went national and we are now spreading a finite pool of talent over those extra teams. While we've had population growth that should have also grown the pool, kids have a LOT of sporting alternatives to footy these days , so I'm not sure the talent pool size has really kept up with the team growth.
At the same time, we've had some fairly heavy equalisation policies in play which can make it quite hard to access fresh talent. The entire system is geared around spreading the talent as evenly as possible (if you take a longer multi-year view). This seems to be working when you look at the small gap between say 11th or 12th and 2nd or 3rd (I don't even think Richmond are massively far ahead of the lower teams right now, which I know many don't agree with).
If your average talent level is dropping, and also evenly distributed, the chances of finding a team with enough skills to play the "super highly skilled" you speak of isn't that great. In that environment a game plan that works with a lower skilled list seems like the way to go. If that game plan can drag what skill there is in the more skilful teams down to your level, then all the better. That is pretty much what we are watching when you watch Richmond play now. They worked out the hard way that they couldn't make the Hawthorn game plan work with their group (they tried and failed), so Hardwick has moved to what they have now. Its about as pretty as watching a pack of mangy hyena pull down a beautiful impala, but it works (and yes, we're the beautiful Hyena).
The AFL is quite happy to put up with this for now, as they probably enjoy seeing some teams outside the usual suspects share in a few flags. I'm guessing when people have gotten sick of watching Hyena, they might think about some tweaks. More likely, the next revolution will have hit, making the current model obsolete. I hope the new model is prettier and more skilful than what we are seeing now.
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Jaeger played last week.
Mitchell is no certainty for the Brownlow, but who cares about awards anyway.
Umps were not great tonight, but it swung both ways in the end.
Why would we change a game style which has taken us so much further than all expectations? Is your concern that Clarkson's brand of football doesn't stand up in finals....?
Unsociable, I'd agree with you.
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In the end we weren't realistically good enough to win next week let alone a flag. Hopefully this finals disappointment will drive the list management staff and players into a big off season / next year.
Would have f**king loved to beaten the Dees in that fourth quarter to see the looks on their faces though.
Would have f**king loved to beaten the Dees in that fourth quarter to see the looks on their faces though.
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