JustAnotherMembe
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A few weeks off it, should mean it's in perfect nick for Rd 1 of the finals... Right? 
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Oakleigh Districts ground was a little soggy underfoot last week too.
What happens weeks 2,3 & 4. I went and checked out both grounds this morning. Surely if the SFL had, there wouldn't be this PR disaster going on now. If Springvale is on standby, this shows to me it is available, therefore the SFL have a choice. Easy choice for 98% of people.A few weeks off it, should mean it's in perfect nick for Rd 1 of the finals... Right?
Surely when you do your recruiting you look at what type of players you need to take you further than the year before and into the finals.. If you make finals this year and dont progrees too far, maybe then you will look at what type of players you require.
I have looked at both grounds this morning. There is no comparison. The only way Clayton would come up would be if we have 3 weeks of sunny weather with plenty of wind. Given that rain is forecast for the next 4 days the decision to play at Clayton is bordering on scandalous. Springvale, on the other hand is perfect other than the wicket area which is heavy. Put the covers on that area for the next fortnight and it is near perfect. Shifting this weeks game to Oakleigh Districts can hardly be fair on St.Pauls who haven't played there this year. It can hardly be fair on Cheltenham either who had to play in the bog last week and trail St.Pauls on percentage for the double chance. Mind you Oakleigh Districts ground is only marginally better that Clayton but has no turf wicket so you'd expect centre clearances to be more efficient. One bad decision compounded by another
Sorry mate but you were talking about recruiting and constructing a game plan for the expanses of Springvale. Maybe your club is different but most clubs werent aware where the finals were being played 8 - 12 months ago when they were recruiting.
Having said that, let me say this, it was probably a fair assumption that the finals would be played at Springy as they have been there for quite some years and to most people, why change???
Whatever you and I say will probably not make any difference anyway so good luck for the rest of the season.
Mr Insider
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There seems to be a chorus from clubs objecting to finals at Clayton. The SFL, on the other hand, doesn't appear to want to listen to any of it. It's not dissimiliar to the Gillard position on asylum seekers, maybe appoint an independent panel to make a recommendation that is obvious to all concerned and they might listenA few weeks off it, should mean it's in perfect nick for Rd 1 of the finals... Right?
JustAnotherMembe
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Or just get on with it?
We will have to get on with eventually, but that doesn't mean we are not entitled to some transparency. Below is the list of criteria that the SFL say they selcted by. I would just like someone from the football operations to explain how with this as criteria, Clayton ended up on top.
- Facilities – for players/umpires/officials/spectators
- Ground surface – condition
- Fencing – oval and venue
- Capacity of the venue’s SFL host club to resource the various host requirements
- Council conditions attached to the venue
- Viewing conditions for spectators
- Geographic location – public transport, parking, etc.
Chelsea heights won't be complaining, they are mud runners, best wet weather side in the comp by a fair distance. If the finals are still at Clayton, look out...
JustAnotherMembe
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perspective
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I saw a bit of the Heighters on Sat and it seemed that they have a style of footy that is better suited to the muddy conditions than EB. Just my opinion but I reckon Clayton was chosen for finals because they had demonstrated they could run the finals, had the man power etc and that Mordi were/are in disarray off field and Springvale have lost key people off field that used to run the finals. It is a big task running finals for 4 weeks particulary the first 2 weeks being sat and sun. Not sure if too many of the other aspects were considered or rated very highly. Anyway as just another says "get on with it"....
Mr Insider
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In my opinion there seems to be more to it, rumours abound that Clayton is broke and owes the SFL plenty. A dodgy balance sheet at the end of the season isn't going to attract a lot of support from member clubs. One way to rectify that is hold the most lucrative of finals series at Clayton which will help balance the SFL's books. Springvale have done it for years and that Clayton were still able to run finals last year and play elsewhere being a bonus and reinforcement of their ability to do it was equalled by Springvale that did exactly the same and have over a number of years. Clearly the finals should be at Springvale and if the ability to run it is in question how do Mordialloc get a home and away let alone Division 3. 3 Presidents in a year and a coach sacked, bugger all committee and a club in disarray. That argument doesn't hold any water. Kick 8 goals at Clayton and you'll win a flag. Great for footy, great spectacle! You've got to be joking! On another front what affiliation fees are being charged for the recent and proposed expansion clubs Carrum, Hallam etc are established clubs subsidising this expansion? if it is the case it is a scandal!
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Insider, agree with your views to the part you talk about the expansion clubs, Carrum and Hallam and Endeavour Hills and Southern Dragons.I go to every AGM and scour the AR. The League have been absolutely transparent with the expansion program advising that new clubs ie: Hallam, End Hills etc paid less for the first 2 years until they established themselves. It is not like a Bentleigh that were already established. All of the Presidents that have been present at the AGM's know this. To ensure that this league and division survived they needed to get more clubs in at 3rd Div, when Cerberus left 3rd Div it looked likely that Third Division may only have 6 which is hardly a comp, now it has 10 and likely 11 with Carrum.. Can you imagine a 2 div comp with Lyndale and Dandenong trying to match it with The better second div clubs they would not have a hope.. So like all other leagues and believe me I know this... ( Point Cook in VAFA) all new clubs get financial relief for the first couple of years. And it is only the affiliation fees that are in question here not apparel, records etc so if you divide a third div affiliation fee of a club between the 28 or so other clubs it could be less than $300 bucks a club... Also I am not sure what club you are associated with but there are only a handful of clubs that have not been in a bit of strife financially over the years and the league have arranged payment plans to get them through Dandenong is one of them. hardly a scandal champ. You may also know that affiliation fees have not been raised for 5 years and have gone down in third div twice... name any other league that has done that. Finals you are right the league weighted things incorrectly but it could be too late, your " new clubs" " scandal" - I have a philosophically opposed view.
Troy Maclure
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Lead by a President (and submissive Committee) with no forward direction, the club is on it's last legs... Old Mentonions are swooping to take over.
The latest on the grapevine is that Mordialloc last week told it's players that it couldn't pay them their money (for the past month) because their paying out the coach's contract, yet I have it (on good oil) that the Coach has been told there's no money to pay him what's owing 'cos they've got to pay the players.
So who are they lying to?
I hope the blow-up doll was was worth it 'Pres' - because that is how you'll be remembered!
PS: Didn't you chase a couple of players out of the toilets that night, threatening to 'knock their blocks off'? - Why wasn't that reported? Why weren't you asked to explain you're actions?
(Convenience or Truth? - I think the players need to ask the hard questions to get the right answer!)
(You read it here first)
Lead by a President (and submissive Committee) with no forward direction, the club is on it's last legs... Old Mentonions are swooping to take over.
The latest on the grapevine is that Mordialloc last week told it's players that it couldn't pay them their money (for the past month) because their paying out the coach's contract, yet I have it (on good oil) that the Coach has been told there's no money to pay him what's owing 'cos they've got to pay the players.
So who are they lying to?
I hope the blow-up doll was was worth it 'Pres' - because that is how you'll be remembered!
PS: Didn't you chase a couple of players out of the toilets that night, threatening to 'knock their blocks off'? - Why wasn't that reported? Why weren't you asked to explain you're actions?
(Convenience or Truth? - I think the players need to ask the hard questions to get the right answer!)
turn it up
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Very Interesting that Sam Anstey was also the winner of the clubs $5,000 raffle. Good way to pay him outstanding wages
Sam was one of 5 winners! the players will be paid this week which isn't really anyone's business besides the MFC! so lets not going spreading false rumors!
Chris Morgan has had an outstanding Year as our lone Big Man
Matthew Freeman has dominated &
Aaron Sawers has been a brilliant recruit for The Dingoes as well.
Andrew Frost return from a 12 Month Injury Break has had his best ever season.
Matthew Freeman has dominated &
Aaron Sawers has been a brilliant recruit for The Dingoes as well.
Andrew Frost return from a 12 Month Injury Break has had his best ever season.
Mr Insider
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Well put Perspective, good to see well argued and factual response. I suppose what I am getting at is that provided there is a limit on assistance to enter the SFL for new clubs it's OK. My understanding has been that Bentleigh got a free ride but I may be wrong, perhaps someone can tell us. Also another point is that it should be the same cost for all clubs in terms of affiliation fees. Why does a second division club have to pay more than a 3rd Division club? Surely all factors are constant for everyone. So if there needs to be $600K in fees raised from affiliation divide it across the board and every club pays $20K. As far as the finals are concerned every ground in the competition is compromised at present except, you guessed it, Springvale!. Rain is forecast for the next 5 days so Clayton isn't going to get any better. As Springvale is on standby how stupid is the SFL going to look if after the first week and 6 games are slogged out on the small wet surface and more rain comes they switch the remainder to Springvale. The 3 surviving sides are going to be really rapt to go from a bog with heavy legs to a fast track. I'm no Einstein but it appears to me to be inexplicable.There has to be more to it. I mean why is there a roof at Etihad? So the players can enjoy the best possible conditions and the crowd gets a great spectacle. A fairly sound principle I would have thought. There will be 18 games played at Clayton over 4 weeks with the last one being the showpiece of the SFL. Nothing against Clayton FC but this decision is ridiculous. Final scores will be probably less than 10 goals combined on a ground that the Colts are going to get at it's best for the day!
WhoDat
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If what you're saying is correct it's a shame that the club finds itself in this situation. There seems to be a break down in communication from the football department to the committee. Rumour filtered back seems to indicate the newest President may be good for the club moving forward and has the ability to turn it around. Let's hope so! Mordialloc have had a long and proud history but Troy you're not doing them any favours airing this stuff
perspective
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Is Mordialloc in such a bad way off field ?? Shows what a good job Martello did to keep things on track...why then did the league give them 3rd div finals??? Maybe Mordi desperately need the finals income....
I reckon what will happen is that after the first week of 6 games at Clayton they will shift the rest to Springvale... Lets hope though that Doug at Springvale can get the job done, John and Tony always ran the finals show so well ...Doug not so sure....
I reckon what will happen is that after the first week of 6 games at Clayton they will shift the rest to Springvale... Lets hope though that Doug at Springvale can get the job done, John and Tony always ran the finals show so well ...Doug not so sure....
Mr Insider
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My point exactly Perspective if Clayton get Division 1 because Springvale cant muster the man power how do Mordialloc get anything? It's all smoke and mirrors and frankly damages the SFL brand. Why isn't Division 1 at Mordi then? Why play at Clayton at all? Is there any coincidence that 2 of the 3 clubs hosting finals are apparently in a financial crisis. Fair treatment for other clubs without an enclosed ground....not! The precedent is now there, get your club in the financial poo and let the SFL bail you out. I'm sure St.Kilda City would love to host a finals series but they pay their bills. Why not Dingley or East Brighton? No they pay theirs as well!
perspective
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Yes you are on the money Insider. I think City even use the direct debit system these days as opposed to the brown paper bag full of cash .... I heard this story second hand last week that apparently up until a couple of years ago an unidentified bloke used to drop off a brown paper bag full of notes representing the affil fees a week before the finals so as they could compete in finals.... Pretty sure Cotts and Webby run it properly now.
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