No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

[stavro#4]

He was last successful as a coach 8 years ago.

They say a weeks a long time in footy…

It bears consideration that there was no soft cap, no 6-6-6, stand, rotation limits were different etc etc. the last time he was good.

We will undoubtedly be better under Ross but will we win a premiership with him or not? If he is there as a succession plan to a untried coach I am fine with it but if we're banking on him to win us a flag then I can't see how that happens.

I'm sick of waiting, our next appointment needs to be someone who is tough and ruthless but also innovative with current day ideas on gameplan and strategy.

I don't think simply saying Lyon is the best candidate makes it so. He's been out of the game 3 years and hasn't made finals in 8. The game has dramatically changed since he was a successful coach. That's what I'm worried about, that he will come to St.Kilda too stubborn to shift from the way he has set up sides tactically in the past and then we end up doing better but ultimately not winning anything.

Honestly I'd much prefer an untried coach from a strong system, an assistant from Geelong or Sydney for example, sides that have been consistently strong for 20 years.

Will Ross Lyon's coaching style work in 2022? Pavlich weighs in

Ross Lyon has been strongly linked to the now vacant Carlton coaching job.

www.sen.com.au

What would Pav know?

Says he would need to adapt. But would still be a good coach.

 

[Drop Kick]

I wonder how much Ratten was on per year, do the Saints only have to pay 6 months of his salary ?
Is the included in the 2023 soft cap ?
Does that affect the first year salary of the new coach, but he makes up the shortfall in subsequent years ?

if it's Ross and he proves he is way out of touch with the modern game and Bassat decides to terminate him, does he get 6 months of his year 1 salary or 6 months of his average yearly salary, it's important financially if we employ a real estate agent as coach.

 

[George]

Will Ross Lyon's coaching style work in 2022? Pavlich weighs in

Ross Lyon has been strongly linked to the now vacant Carlton coaching job.

www.sen.com.au

What would Pav know?

Says he would need to adapt. But would still be a good coach.

So he's saying the same stuff I'm saying. He definitely needs to adapt and we would be better, I just don't know if he has the ability to adapt or if he's stuck in his ways and that's just based on what I've seen from him, he has only had success playing to a system that is now outdated.

 

[sobraz]

Those thinking the club need to get the next appointment right or it’s over are either opposition supporters or new supporters. The club has and will nearly always be a basket case. That’s the reason I love the club. The club will also survive whether we make the right or wrong decision. The big question is will is older people be alive to see a right decision. If you are young don’t worry we will be around for as long as the afl is. No side could be as bad as us and last 149 years if we weren’t born to survive. We had no right to even be in the vfl and to stay in the vfl after losing the first 48 games of the start of the vfl. And then win our first game on protest. Born to survive but not succeed. Actually love that to be our moto.

One of the best posts I’ve read in a long long time - maybe ever.


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[Jay Beast]

Would hope the club is assessing candidates on exactly these types of criteria.

 

[phantom13]

Will Ross Lyon's coaching style work in 2022? Pavlich weighs in

Ross Lyon has been strongly linked to the now vacant Carlton coaching job.

www.sen.com.au

What would Pav know?

Says he would need to adapt. But would still be a good coach.

Pav was coached by him so he’d know a bit more than us I’d think.

Ultimately he’s actually saying exactly what you’re saying. He’s still good and he’ll need to work into the new support system and current coaching practices.

I get that you want him and you’re all in but seriously if we get 2018 Ross it’s not going to be good.

 

[George]

Would like us to go one of two ways.

Ideally for me it's Yze or Lappin, and if we need a mentor then fine, stick Ross in behind them for support.

If we don't go that way, bring Ross on with the look to succession plan him in 2 years into Hayes or Enright.

What I definitely do not want is Ross Lyon as senior coach with nothing developing underneath him.

 

[billings2paddy]

Watch Purple and Mauve tipping the bucket on St Kilda.

Saints' brutal Ratten call analysed, what comes next

Damian Barrett and Nat Edwards with all the fallout following St Kilda's bombshell sacking of coach Brett Ratten

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Pav was coached by him so he’d know a bit more than us I’d think.

Ultimately he’s actually saying exactly what you’re saying. He’s still good and he’ll need to work into the new support system and current coaching practices.

I get that you want him and you’re all in but seriously if we get 2018 Ross it’s not going to be good.

That walshy is good he gets things done
Last week he said we are irrelevant.
This week sack a coach get ross and bingo we are relevant again.
it's like being transported back to 09 and 10
How good is relevancy??

 

[George]

Hello rock bottom when supporters are actually hoping we get Ross Lyon. He's literally the ex-wife who boned your brother, and you're now drunk dialing him thinking he won't hurt you again. Utterly pathetic.

Getting back in bed with your brother??

 

[Rocky Stevo]

Corey Enright is doing well with the back 6. He knows the squad, has sat thru match committee, strategy meetings. Has sat with Gags and other coaches, talking about the types of players we need. He knows the club and the club knows him. Why not promote him to top job? He's better than a crazy gamble on Hird/Buckley/Lyon, who are complete outsiders and don't know our squad, nor do they know what we really are chasing.
If Boris is on the same page as the rest of the club, and has the players on side too, well- it's the best option in my opinion.

 

[moirae42]

Holy crap the media is just going gangbusters. We are the tiny one sitting on the couch with all those big dudes standing behind us.

All this talk about Rossy. All this talk.

I hate to say it but he fits the equation astoundingly well.

I hated that man when he left. Wished him ill in every endeavour. Revelled in Fremantles Grand Final loss. How dare he almost win a flag somewhere else. It has taken me a long time to get over that.

Incredibly ironic, well to perhaps me anyway, that he could be the one to come back and steer us into the light again.

Pairing up Lenny and Ross is like football pr0n though. Throw Enright into the mix and it is one hell of a crew.

Until Ross comes out and denies any interest you would have to think he is well and truly in our crosshairs.

But my biggest question still remains. He still, has not won on the biggest day. He has come incredibly close... But he still has not won a flag.

 

[Moon Man 9]

Ideally, I would want Buckley but I don't think that's on the cards, unfortunately. I would only want Ross back at the Saints if it's a transition thing with Lenny. Get Ross to sure up the defence and then we bring in an assistant to help Lenny with the ball movement moving up the field and our delivery inside forward 50. By the same token, this next decision will shape the club for years to come and could very well catapult us into non-existence. Maybe it's just my pessimistic attitude but my god am I scared for the future of this club.

 

[sunny3193]

Completely minor detail but did anyone notice the ”uniform” worn by both participants in the presser today? Right down to the club tie.
Minor stuff but does show attention to detail.
Preparedness.

 

[LuckyBounce!]

Holy crap the media is just going gangbusters. We are the tiny one sitting on the couch with all those big dudes standing behind us.

All this talk about Rossy. All this talk.

I hate to say it but he fits the equation astoundingly well.

I hated that man when he left. Wished him ill in every endeavour. Revelled in Fremantles Grand Final loss. How dare he almost win a flag somewhere else. It has taken me a long time to get over that.

Incredibly ironic, well to perhaps me anyway, that he could be the one to come back and steer us into the light again.

Pairing up Lenny and Ross is like football pr0n though. Throw Enright into the mix and it is one hell of a crew.

Until Ross comes out and denies any interest you would have to think he is well and truly in our crosshairs.

But my biggest question still remains. He still, has not won on the biggest day. He has come incredibly close... But he still has not won a flag.

I also think like the rest of us, the close granny loss and draw would still burn Ross and he would maybe see this as an opportunity to right that wrong being given a 2nd crack coaching us

 

[sunny3193]

I also think like the rest of us, the close granny loss and draw would still burn Ross and he would maybe see this as an opportunity to right that wrong being given a 2nd crack coaching us

Redemption?
How St Kilda.

 

[Sun Ra]

Dave McNamara is my guess or wells icke

What about Wade Legge ? Have to be a chance.

 

[CanadianSaint]

Starting to feel that a good Beverage might be just the right tonic!

 

[Sun Ra]

Surely, the players would have been told before this came out.

That would spoil the surprise though.

 

[plugger66]

One of the best posts I’ve read in a long long time - maybe ever.


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Just proves this site hasn’t got much to beat. Seriously though it’s ok to make mistakes as far as surviving. What isn’t ok with most and I get it is the mistakes do put the success part back a few years. Don’t like quoting thomas as the voice of reason but one mistake should never become two. Own the mistake of extending and then fix the mistake by ending. The club will survive. The question is will I.

 

[Max the great]

Starting to feel that a good Beverage might be just the right tonic!

Replace a bad coach with another bad coach. Please God no.

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[Sun Ra]

Replace a bad coach with another bad coach. Please God no.

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Bad coaches win flags ?

 

[Sun Ra]

St Kilda sack Brett Ratten as cycle of mediocrity continues at AFL club | Jonathan Horn

The coach’s dismissal caught most analysts off guard although the least surprised was likely a supporter base at its wits end

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[bisazc887]

Sacking an under achieving coach

Going to the draft

Possible free agents in future as per yesterday’s presser

I’m excited

 

[Max the great]

Bad coaches win flags ?

Every dog fan I know can't stand him. We've seen with Ratten how much weight that carrys. Outsiders have the perception that Ratten was a good coach but we know otherwise.

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[dudeintheswamp]

As much as I'd like it and think it makes sense on a number of levels, I just can't see them hiring the Boss.

I reckon they've got Pyke lined up.