Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[CFC2010]

As a player who would want to put their six figure salaries in jeopardy by coming out and saying "Our coach is hopeless, we need new leadership", no player is going to put their future in jeopardy by telling the truth.

If you was earning $500k Chris Mayne salary, you wouldn't want to speak out. You just rock up, do the bare minimum and collect your cheque.

Unless you are a player coming out of contract!

 

[jdpie]

That further enforces my point that they're doing everything they can to support him! There was Hendy in there mentoring him before this unnamed person too! At what point do we say enough of the hand holding? He's had 6 ******* years to work on his people skills. Name another role where someone would be given that long to fix such a crucial area? I mean nurturing and developing people is the most important trait a coach needs and Buckley still needs work on it... I just don't get it.

Also you admit his gameday coaching is rubbish yet here we are discussing his future?

In regards to the bolded to repeat I'm strongly anti Pert. The only high ranking football employee that I would deem safe currently is Walsh.

Largely though the discussion has done little to convince me that he's lacked any type of support he needed to succeed. If anything it's re-affirmed my POV given you provided further evidence of the support he's received!

Just to reiterate, i am not a Bucks apologist. I am in the "new coach" camp. I have a bigger concern that the super egos in the club will undermine anything at the moment (and would have for the last few years). It is pretty easy to isolate Bucks as he is the personification of our on field success or failure (mostly failure). The team is greater than this. There is, and has been for a while, something stinky in the team. Maybe that rests solely with the cockroach but i am not convinced that is the case. Hindsight with its 20/20 will be horrendous is he goes elsewhere and succeeds whilst we wallow in the current morass.

 

[Scodog10]

At the age of 12 I knew which was the best teacher I ever had. What has his age got to do with it?

Perhaps that he isn't exactly drawing from a massive sample size? It was a meaningless statement because of course Buckley is better than anyone else because he's his first in an elite environment. It holds as much weight as Leon Davis coming out tomorrow and saying MM was the best coach he ever played for!

Whereas Watson saying the same for Worsfold holds weight because he's played under some damn good coaches.

 

[Greening Magic]

Do it Ed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give Bucks another 2 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just to read the melts on this board, membership burning, boycotts, the lot.

* The 6 of us left could discuss food recipes and tv shows.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Yes, IMO. They provided him an undeserved contract last year, brought in his best mate as a coach, Brough Balmey to protect him as a Buckley man, McGuire tried to water down Buckley's "finals or bust" comments and they've defended him at every turn in regards to re-shaping the list. What else could they have done in that respect? What resources do you think he's been denied that other clubs have access to?

Eade left by his own volition, ditto Walsh and Gubby would still be there if not for the suspension. At every step they've had opportunities to fix the areas I've highlighted yet they remain problem areas! Why didn't Balme step in to fix things during his 18 months at the club?

Let's get real in terms of public comments from the CEO. Prime Minister aside Buckley's role is the most pressurised in Australia so he cops it regardless of Pert gobbing off. If he's not capable of handling that pressure anyway he isn't the man I want in charge of the club because the greats deal with it and get the job done.

That's not to defend Pert either because he needs to go, but the board have done everything in their power to provide Buckley the tools to succeed. At some point he needs to take on ownership of our continued failings and that time has come now that we can't make the finals, IMO.

Yep but have they provided him with the support needed to save him from himself?
I understand that list decisions tend to come about through consensus but have the power brokers ever stopped him and others, pointed at their watches and said "mate, the clock is ticking. You need a key position back and forward. Your time is finite."
I am in now way absolving him of his responsibilities but it seems as though giving someone what they want doesn't necessarily address their needs.

 

[magpie_marty]

Just to reiterate, i am not a Bucks apologist. I am in the "new coach" camp. I have a bigger concern that the super egos in the club will undermine anything at the moment (and would have for the last few years). It is pretty easy to isolate Bucks as he is the personification of our on field success or failure (mostly failure). The team is greater than this. There is, and has been for a while, something stinky in the team. Maybe that rests solely with the cockroach but i am not convinced that is the case. Hindsight with its 20/20 will be horrendous is he goes elsewhere and succeeds whilst we wallow in the current morass.

As an outsider looking in i feel its a culture problem,One week we play well and look like a really good team,and the next week we look like a very average team,Again i have no reason what the cause is,Reminds me of work as in some people turn up ready to go and other weeks people just turn up happy to get their pay cheque at the end of the week.

 

[westozpie]

Firstly I've never "bleated" about dale thomas, never said he has consistently been good but you can't argue he looks cooked.

I'll kindly ask that please don't put words in my mouth, as for Treloar I think he's a great player one of our few trade successes and I've never compared the 2 as you seem to be saying I am. Stop doing that please

Didn't say you did compare Thomas and Treloar, only used Treloar as a example because he is on Thomas type money, I assume you saying I put words in your mouth is about bleating for Thomas, if wrong I'm sorry but really not sure why you would even bother to put Thomas up as some sort of example, has very average player at the moment and a long way from where he was. If you are saying he's not cooked then it is about what you take as being cooked, to me it's some one who is playing well below their previous standard, Thomas

 

[Maggie5]

Perhaps that he isn't exactly drawing from a massive sample size? It was a meaningless statement because of course Buckley is better than anyone else because he's his first in an elite environment. It holds as much weight as Leon Davis coming out tomorrow and saying MM was the best coach he ever played for!

Whereas Watson saying the same for Worsfold holds weight because he's played under some damn good coaches.

Sorry, can't agree with this one. If it hadn't been for one particular teacher (miles ahead of anyone before or after), not sure my interest in the English language and other areas of learning would have been so keen.
I really like your analysis on the game but sometimes I think that anything to do with Buckley you get a little subjective.

 

[Maggie5]

I think his point was that it shouldn't be a big deal that his best coach to date is his only AFL coach.

Why bring up his age?

 

[Carringbush2010]

really not sure why you would even bother to put Thomas up as some sort of example

I didn't I just responded to a comment that he is cooked, and he's not if he was he wouldn't be their best 22

me it's some one who is playing well below their previous standard, Thomas

Never has been as good as he was at Collingwood and never said he was but he's in carltons best 22 and earning his spot - that is hardly cooked

 

[westozpie]

I didn't I just responded to a comment that he is cooked, and he's not if he was he wouldn't be their best 22

Never has been as good as he was at Collingwood and never said he was but he's in carltons best 22 and earning his spot - that is hardly cooked

Ok he's not cooked, just an average player that got dropped to the vfl earlier this year

 

[Carringbush2010]

If you was earning $500k Chris Mayne salary, you wouldn't want to speak out. You just rock up, do the bare minimum and collect your cheque.

That's probably stretching a little far, Hazard a guess; it looks externally that bucks has the group by and large behind him. If they weren't they probably wouldn't comment publicly at all or if door stopped they'd say something like "that decision lies with the board at seasons end and I'm behind him" IMV a comment like that is a fair way off what JDG and Pendles said

 

[Chameleon75]

Yep but have they provided him with the support needed to save him from himself?
I understand that list decisions tend to come about through consensus but have the power brokers ever stopped him and others, pointed at their watches and said "mate, the clock is ticking. You need a key position back and forward. Your time is finite."
I am in now way absolving him of his responsibilities but it seems as though giving someone what they want doesn't necessarily address their needs.

This is a very good post.

Stepping away from bucks as I don't know the circumstances, but as a general principle I don't think having the coach make list decisions is the best way to go about it, and I certainly don't agree with decisions by committee. Coaches are under pressure to deliver results often immediately, whilst the list needs to balance the short, medium and long term needs. Sometimes those interests can diverge.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Ok he's not cooked, just an average player that got dropped to the vfl earlier this year

Yep that sums it up pretty much and now is getting senior games

 

[Frogs]

Buckley will be re-appointed.

Because Eddie McGuire.

If Buckley is let go, it's an ommission of fault on McGuire's decision to let go of Malthouse. I believe McGuire is too full of self-pride.

 

[ppoiter]

Why bring up his age?

I think he brought up his age as a reference to the fact that de Goeys experience in the system is limited to a couple of years and to one club, so his judgement about who his best ever coach is might not carry much weight. But I don't know exactly what he meant, ask him

 

[JollyBallsUp]

Buckley will be re-appointed.

Because Eddie McGuire.

If Buckley is let go, it's an ommission of fault on McGuire's decision to let go of Malthouse. I believe McGuire is too full of self-pride.

McGuire is also business man and he knows that you cant make money with empty stands. It makes it hard to attract sponsors and it diminishes the brand that has taken him 20 years to build. McGuire will reluctantly move Buckley on but will look at his time at the club as a positive move despite the lack of on field success.

 

[Scodog10]

Sorry, can't agree with this one. If it hadn't been for one particular teacher (miles ahead of anyone before or after), not sure my interest in the English language and other areas of learning would have been so keen.
I really like your analysis on the game but sometimes I think that anything to do with Buckley you get a little subjective.

In this instance I don't actually care if you agree because you're the one with the issue. It also had nothing to do with Buckley and everything to do with the immaturity of JDG's comments. You missed that. Move on!

 

[TradeDraft]

Buckley will be re-appointed.

Because Eddie McGuire.

If Buckley is let go, it's an ommission of fault on McGuire's decision to let go of Malthouse. I believe McGuire is too full of self-pride.

Then he would lost the Club a lot of Money

 

[CFC2010]

Then he would lost the Club a lot of Money

Will you get a membership next year Dave if Bucks is coach?

 

[TradeDraft]

With Stories of Pendles and Ben Reid UnRest. Has Bucks FINALLY lost the Players?

 

[TradeDraft]

Will you get a membership next year Dave if Bucks is coach?

I have to Think About It

 

[Chameleon75]

With Stories of Pendles and Ben Reid UnRest. Has Bucks FINALLY lost the Players?

Facebook?

 

[Go Woods]

McGuire is also business man and he knows that you cant make money with empty stands. It makes it hard to attract sponsors and it diminishes the brand that has taken him 20 years to build. McGuire will reluctantly move Buckley on but will look at his time at the club as a positive move despite the lack of on field success.

Yes McGuire will make the right call, the stakes are now very high and with no finals after 4 years there is no choice but change.

 

[Krueger]

Yes McGuire will make the right call, the stakes are now very high and with no finals after 4 years there is no choice but change.

Im not so sure about it. He should have been sacked 2 or 3 years ago and was given extensions for no reason other than being Nathan Buckley. The right call was to delay the succession plan to begin with and that was stuffed up as well courtesy of some bs contract and the name Nathan Buckley.