List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[Obeanie1]

Categorically I am not happier so that statement certainly doesn't speak for me. Bo was not the right choice IMO and if he wasn't from WA I don't think we'd have picked him. I'm happy we didn't do some ludicrous trade like Norf did with our future picks but in no way are we even close to being in as good of a position as we were when we had pick 3 or even after trading it for 12 and 14, which would have netted 45 anyway.

I'm not going to cast judgement on the entire draft and trade period until its completed but it's going to take something spectacular tonight to be considered even close to successful in my eyes. I'm pleased for those that do consider it a success and that they have been able to take some enjoyment out of it.

Who was you choice at our pick out of interest?

Obviously of those available at that pick.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Chances of Freo now messing with our Champion pick and bidding on him way earlier than we had hoped? Given he is also a small forward and we just denied them the opportunity to get the small forward they were after? Hope not, they could effectively strip us of that pick 45 we just acquired in the process of screwing them by bidding on him early and making us use it in points for Champion? Would that be too much of a reach/risk for them at their next pick if they did it and we let him go? Guess they would have to bid on him with their pick 34 to force our hand on that. Would that be a massive reach/waste by them?

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If we were negotiating with them and Port in good faith then I don’t see why so

 

[BartBart]

Jesus Christ, people make it sound like we reached for Allan. It’s clear that many, if not nearly all clubs had Allan ahead of Reid and it’s clear clubs in first round go for best available and not need.

Some on here have made about 30 posts saying they aren’t happy about the trade, then pick, then whoever but it’s same thing in a different way. That’s you eaglevision. We get it (sorry. love your other stuff though).

If eagles are of full belief that Hutchinson, Johnson, hall, Reid and hewett are 150 game midfield players, then cupboard isn’t as bare as people think. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at more kids in midfield but let’s calm down.

all will be revealed if we pick a tall with next pick. If so, then we think we have a decent group that doesn’t require us to reach for players. Because we don’t have enough talls….

Noting there are more game positions available for midfielders than tall forwards. And if you are in the fortunate position of having surplus mids, a lot of them can fill a position in defence/forwards.

 

[FKASC]

It will be interesting to see at what pick Tom Gross is going today.

Lot of teams weighing him up.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

What could today bring? I am open to a slide back for a significant gain but happy to stand and go best available. I will leave you to determine what you rate as significant.


Assuming we stick and pick, the two best options I have on my board.

Midfield
Tom Gross. I believe his attributes would be extremely well aligned with the game plan of Mini. His strengths are Competitiveness, Explosiveness, Physicality, Scoreboard Impact and Work Rate.


KPP
Jobe and Matt Whitlock are the tall sliders this year. I believe the run of smaller forwards (Berry (15), Hannaford (18), Dattoli (22) and Angove (24)) meant the taller options slid. The general view is that these 2 KPP would indeed be first round picks in normal years but this demonstrates the depth this year.

I cannot see Tigers taking Jobe as they have taken Faull, Armstrong and Trainor. General view is that they might consider future first rounders but not really interested in sliding back. Tigers tipped to be tossing up Alger or Dodson. Meanwhile Dogs are overflowing with tall options and are focussed hard on Moraes.




If we take the Bombers slide back option, it would leave us with 37, 39 and 44 where we can find good midfielders and KPDers and a future hand of:

2 x F1 (ours and Hawks)
3 x F2 (ours Bombers and Hawks)
1 x F3 (Edit) (I will assume it is ours)
Based on 2024 finishing positions, that is picks 3, 13, 21, 26, 31 and 39.

The options at 37, 39 and 44 would be something like
Davis, Mraz/Nicholls, Boxshall/Barret so it would address needs

 

[mattyc75]

Another angle of the dangle from the punt, a month old prediction -

Mongrel Quickie - West Coast Chess - The Mongrel Punt

When West Coast gave up pick three in the 2024 AFL draft to get Liam Baker, supporters howled. But those howls could soon be howls of delight

themongrelpunt.com

Yeah just that ,turned out pretty accurate but I still class it as lazy journalism always linking us to west Aussies.
Mind you for some bewildering reason we're now being linked to shanahan. I asked EPS on his phantom draft why the link he said cause he played at the same club as Harley

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[daddy_4_eyes]

The draft has really unfolded beautifully for us, hasn't it?

Allan sounds like a great pick up, athletic, can football, didn't look out of place at WAFL vs men.
And what's available to us at our next pick is exciting, Mraz or Shanahan at our pick would be awesome, Moraes or Urquhart if we don't want to go tall.

 

[Monocle]

Yeah just that ,turned out pretty accurate but I still class it as lazy journalism always linking us to west Aussies.
Mind you for some bewildering reason we're now being linked to shanahan. I asked EPS on his phantom draft why the link he said cause he played at the same club as Harley

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Just out of curiosity I would be interested in reading your critique of Shanahan.

It seems as if you are not a fan of his.

 

[TerryFilk]

“I’m quite raw in that area still but so keen to get to work in the midfield.

“For now, I would be more confident down back, but that doesn’t mean I’m not willing and able to grow in the midfield.”

That’s a quote from Bo Allan in the article West Coast just posted

Really hope he or Ginbey can become genuine midfielders or at least one of them.

 

[BartBart]

What could today bring? I am open to a slide back for a significant gain but happy to stand and go best available. I will leave you to determine what you rate as significant.


Assuming we stick and pick, the two best options I have on my board.

Midfield
Tom Gross. I believe his attributes would be extremely well aligned with the game plan of Mini. His strengths are Competitiveness, Explosiveness, Physicality, Scoreboard Impact and Work Rate.

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KPP
Jobe and Matt Whitlock are the tall sliders this year. I believe the run of smaller forwards (Berry (15), Hannaford (18), Dattoli (22) and Angove (24)) meant the taller options slid. The general view is that these 2 KPP would indeed be first round picks in normal years but this demonstrates the depth this year.

I cannot see Tigers taking Jobe as they have taken Faull, Armstrong and Trainor. General view is that they might consider future first rounders but not really interested in sliding back. Tigers tipped to be tossing up Alger or Dodson. Meanwhile Dogs are overflowing with tall options and are focussed hard on Moraes.

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If we take the Bombers slide back option, it would leave us with 37, 39 and 44 where we can find good midfielders and KPDers and a future hand of:

2 x F1 (ours and Hawks)
3 x F2 (ours Bombers and Hawks)
1 x F1 (I will assume it is ours)
Based on 2024 finishing positions, that is picks 3, 13, 21, 26, 31 and 39.

The options at 37, 39 and 44 would be something like
Davis, Mraz/Nicholls, Boxshall/Barret so it would address needs

You mean 1xF3 on the 3rd line?

 

[Bender_]

Lot of teams weighing him up.

Any team will be lucky to net him.

 

[Shueygod]

Which is why we should have taken Smith. Possession monkeys are a liability if they don't have elite disposal and decision making skills. I'm not saying Moraes is that, but there's a reason Smith is 3, and Moraes second round. That is almost always the difference.

Smith certainly doesn’t have elite disposal.

 

[BartBart]

We should be thankful that Allan has had some WAFL senior experience/development (and in finals).

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Yeah it's absolute BS!!! Lions got away with murder.
Lombard at 9 after last years haul is also BS.

Watch next year all our players get bid on way earlier than they should be.

I think the issue is some clubs wanting to be chummy with the Northern Clubs so as to be able to buy up their future R1 picks. The AFL are aware of it and said don't do it but the clubs only need to show their draft board and this is easily doctored and so what.

I get the pick 1 kudos and the $$$. Besides the Tigers have bid on academy prospects in the past.

Norf and Carlton were weak as p1ss. I expected the Crows to bid as they did it with Jamara but they too were pathetic.

End result - Lions now have points bearing picks of 46, 47, 49, 56, 59, 66 and 69. That in points equates to pick 10. Th reigning premiers are now about to sell off more picks for 2025 and still get a decent shot at a KPF in the second/third round.

What will Laura do? Hit them over the wrist with a wet lettuce.


To be fair, I wish our club had bid on Marshall at 15 before the Port trade since he fits the bill for exactly what we need. I support only bid if you are prepared to take the player. But this timidness to hold the academy clubs accountable makes a mockery of traditional clubs bitching about a compromised draft. A bid at 15 would have cost the Lions around their pick 46.

 

[mattyc75]

We should be getting shanahan, whitlock or moraes with our next pick. In that order of priority.

Why shanahan?

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[ghostbat12]

So Reid embarrassed to be drafted by Freo (where is Fremantle?). Countdown to exit t-3yrs.

Allan embarrassed but in a manner where you grow up in say balga but then you move to Cottesloe as you progress through life. You realise that your balga mates will just not understand and try to show you are still the same.

 

[Lia]

Reasonably happy so far. Clearly we are targeting high ceiling and/or explosive athletes with earlier picks and that has been the case since Chesser.

 

[Jukes]

Hopefully the plan is simple today. Hold the pick for Shanahan but if he’s gone then get a juicy return for someone keen on Whitlock.

 

[Rowan18]

Categorically I am not happier so that statement certainly doesn't speak for me. Bo was not the right choice IMO and if he wasn't from WA I don't think we'd have picked him. I'm happy we didn't do some ludicrous trade like Norf did with our future picks but in no way are we even close to being in as good of a position as we were when we had pick 3 or even after trading it for 12 and 14, which would have netted 45 anyway.

I'm not going to cast judgement on the entire draft and trade period until its completed but it's going to take something spectacular tonight to be considered even close to successful in my eyes. I'm pleased for those that do consider it a success and that they have been able to take some enjoyment out of it.

Who would you have taken with pick 3? From what I've gleaned on here (which is the extent of my draft watching) - FOS is the player I rated the highest, with Draper next level. Jagga Smith can find the ball but looks far too small for AFL (and the fact he hasn't bulked up 12 months out of school is a real worry). Bo Allen fits in with the rest of the next tier to me - has some absolutely elite attributes but also some flaws. I'm pretty happy we got him at selection 16.

 

[Ghossein]

IN: Baker, Graham, Owies, Bo Allan is a pretty good result

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

The problem was people getting upset over a " half baked cake" and spitting the dummy before the cake was finished.

Now we haven't yet put layers, icing and the cherry on our 2024 draft cake and people are already much happier.

What else did we get from the Baker deal ?
Richmond not bidding on Allen

Pick 14 for Baker especially now the value of first rounders this draft has been established is a horrible trade like most people have said .

 

[Smotie2]

So pick 3 landed a total of:

Bo Allan, Liam Baker, Matt Owies and mystery pick 45.

Pick 45 Urquhart or

Gross or

Ough or a

Barret

So four players. For pick 3 being a single player.

How is this not a win?

That's what I said

 

[Smotie2]

“I’m quite raw in that area still but so keen to get to work in the midfield.

“For now, I would be more confident down back, but that doesn’t mean I’m not willing and able to grow in the midfield.”

That’s a quote from Bo Allan in the article West Coast just posted

Really hope he or Ginbey can become genuine midfielders or at least one of them.

You do t need a grade .infielder to win a flag...surely you're up with that development.

 

[Lia]

So pick 3 landed a total of:

Bo Allan, Liam Baker, Matt Owies and mystery pick 45.

Pick 45 Urquhart or

Gross or

Ough or a

Barret

So four players. For pick 3 being a single player.

How is this not a win?

Pick 14 for Baker was and is dreadful no matter the spin.

 

[Bender_]

The Jagga Smith not bulking up is a weird take. You don't want an 18 year old trying to bulk on his own, would risk a huge loss of fitness and possible injury trying to over do it. With a dedicated weights program and nutritionist it'd make a huge difference.