Review The Good, Bad and Ugly vs. Hawthorn Hawks

[adelaidecrows]

Let's not forget he played a super offensive promising young player (Pedlar) as a defensive forward on a contested marking beast (Stewart). As expected the kid got completely smashed in front of a national audience. What do you think that did for Pedlars confidence/development.

Played a rookie running HBF in deep defence to be smashed by experienced forwards and subbed twice in two games.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Soligo, MM and Worrell?

Soligo and Worrell are 2nd rounders.

Worrell also spent 12 months too long in the 2’s such is our shit development. Why do you think Woz is so good so early in his afl career. Because he was so overdue for an afl birth.

Our coaches can’t spot talent if it bites them in the arse.

Dude and Nank other examples of spending 12 months too long in the sanfl.

Fog too - with his 12 months in defence.

Curtins whole year is about to be wasted at full back in tbs sanfl

 

[clinto69]

This!

Our drafting can’t be so shit that every single first round pick we’ve had is a bust. It’s development.

Our best players are Rankin and Dawson and a 33 year old Walker.

Screams that development is a farce.

I agree. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It can't be possible to draft this poorly. Our development must, in some cases, be ****ing up these top level draftees

 

[ABAB]

Soligo and Worrell are 2nd rounders.

Worrell also spent 12 months too long in the 2’s such is our shit development. Why do you think Woz is so good so early in his afl career. Because he was so overdue for an afl birth.

Our coaches can’t spot talent if it bites them in the arse.

Dude and Nank other examples of spending 12 months too long in the sanfl.

Fog too - with his 12 months in defence.

Curtins whole year is about to be wasted at full back in tbs sanfl

I would have thought if the development is shit for 1st rounder than the same would apply to 2nd rounders? Some youngsters definitely haven't been given opportunity earlier due to Nicks having his favourite and not dropping underperforming senior players to open a position in the best 22 but they eventually break into the side and shown their quality so is it development?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I would have thought if the development is shit for 1st rounder than the same would apply to 2nd rounders? Some youngsters definitely haven't been given opportunity earlier due to Nicks having his favourite and not dropping underperforming senior players to open a position in the best 22 but they eventually break into the side and shown their quality so is it development?

So let’s talk Soligo then - the guy who was sub Rd 1 this year. How long did it take to shift him into the centre rotation?

Dawson had to ask to be moved to the middle.

Our coaches have no idea how to use the talent on the list. It is obvious.

I love the idea of Michelanney getting a taste of the midfield.

How about doing that last week when we are 10 goals up?

 

[ABAB]

So let’s talk Soligo then - the guy who was sub Rd 1 this year. How long did it take to shift him into the centre rotation?

Dawson had to ask to be moved to the middle.

Our coaches have no idea how to use the talent on the list. It is obvious.

I love the idea of Michelanney getting a taste of the midfield.

How about doing that last week when we are 10 goals up?

Soligo was playing midfield last year along with Rachele, he also had midfield time in his first season unlike Rachele. Dawson also played midfield at the start of his first season with us and struggle during those games.

 

[STrAng3C1oUdZ]

What I wouldn't give for a coach to come in like Blight did and be ruthless and cull all the dead wood

 

[FR0GGY]

Anyone saying we don't need a Stiffy Johncock type BP ...and Michalanney can do the job .....BS
Michalanney needs to be played higher up the ground, to use his pace, and replace Smith .....not be dragged back to the goalsquare as he was today

Not sure I saw max in the square at all?
Heat map would indicate the same.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Soligo was playing midfield last year along with Rachele, he also had midfield time in his first season unlike Rachele. Dawson also played midfield at the start of his first season with us and struggle during those games.

Im almost certain Soligo was on a wing, HFF. But he may have had some midfield minutes. Im not sure about that one. However, he predominantly wasn't in the midfield.

 

[FR0GGY]

"That game" actually had ceased to exist and was fully completed as a sporting contest by the time he entered the statistics in a numerical sense. And in spite of these statistics, they had no bearing whatsoever on the result of the contest.

It is paradoxical, but in this instance, the quantitative mathematical statistics become illogical as the full length of the game is an irrelevant measure in determining the actual sporting contest.

Would you like him playing off the half back line from full forward?

 

[ABAB]

So let’s talk Soligo then - the guy who was sub Rd 1 this year. How long did it take to shift him into the centre rotation?

Dawson had to ask to be moved to the middle.

Our coaches have no idea how to use the talent on the list. It is obvious.

I love the idea of Michelanney getting a taste of the midfield.

How about doing that last week when we are 10 goals up?

Soligo and Dawson.

 

[FR0GGY]

By all means give Strachan a crack but beating up on undersized SANFL journeyman rucks is a long way off AFL rucks...a country mile off.

The last time ROB played SANFL

37 disposals 42 hit outs, 13 clearances, 11 marks (4 contested)

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lol so those stats you quote are from the sanfl.
Are you saying Rob beat up an undersized SANFL journeyman?

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Good: Borlase has grown in confidence and kept it from becoming a blood bath.

Bad: we are half way through the 2024 season and we have done nothing to improve - Nicks and his selection team pick basically the same 22 and play the same guys in the same spots for far too long too reluctant to try new players, and new ideas.

Ugly: how is it that we as individual supporters can see that Smith is cooked and is a hindrance, Laird gets 25-30 disposals but very few are dangerous [apart from his hospital balls which may cause harm to teammates} , playing Crouch and Laird at CBa is developing no-one, Murphy offers so little, Jones doesn’t do enough, ROB is flattered by stats that don’t tell the actual story he is a lumberjack on a ballet stage.

Nicks has been playing safe and is a politician with his post match speeches - he and his team were pantsed today by a better coach - the margin did not reflect how much better than us they were.

An incredibly disappointing season.

 

[FR0GGY]

ROB, seriously he just crashes in in the ruck and either gets a nil all draw (I feel like they still attribute a hit out to someone) or touches it and it goes somewhere, sometimes one of our players gets to it first, but imo does not ever show ruck craft.
This is where the hit outs to advantage come from, not from his craft but luck.
He cannot kick and can not mark.

 

[bonehilda]

Im almost certain Soligo was on a wing, HFF. But he may have had some midfield minutes. Im not sure about that one. However, he predominantly wasn't in the midfield.

Averaged around 30% CBAs in the first 9 rounds then a significant drop off for the rest of the season, same with Rach. Weak coaching

CBAs - DFS Australia

Centre Bounce Attendances are available from the 2020 season. Average refers to the percentage of CBAs each player has attended for the season (considering only those games they have played). Each round is denoted as percentage of CBAs attended for that round. Centre Bounce Attendance Percentage...

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[ABAB]

Averaged around 30% CBAs in the first 9 rounds then a significant drop off for the rest of the season, same with Rach. Weak coaching

CBAs - DFS Australia

Centre Bounce Attendances are available from the 2020 season. Average refers to the percentage of CBAs each player has attended for the season (considering only those games they have played). Each round is denoted as percentage of CBAs attended for that round. Centre Bounce Attendance Percentage...

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2nd year players. Look at Soligo this year.

 

[Afcprophet]

By all means give Strachan a crack but beating up on undersized SANFL journeyman rucks is a long way off AFL rucks...a country mile off.

The last time ROB played SANFL

37 disposals 42 hit outs, 13 clearances, 11 marks (4 contested)

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Rob is horrendous in the AFL. Absolutely the worst ruck ever to play for our club.

Strachan deserves a go based on the fact he doesn't make the team worse, whereas Rob does. He cannot make our side worse than rob does. Rob is bottom of the barrel stuff. He is a total net negative. Absolutely inept ruckman.

It's like Kuzma for the wizards in the NBA 22pg and 6 rpg but is one of the worst players and makes his team worse. Stats only show so much.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Smith's first kick of the day just set the entire tone for what was to come.

 

[Mutineer]

lol so those stats you quote are from the sanfl.
Are you saying Rob beat up an undersized SANFL journeyman?

Connor Ballenden is levels above Corbett and Bramich who were West's rucks today, he at least was on an AFL list and played AFL football.

Has Strachan ever matched that in any of his SANFL games...No.

If you think Strachan is the way forward you're misguided, sure if there's a decent AFL standard ruck procurable go for it but until then.
Could even do something like actually draft a young developing ruck with decent skills.

 

[FR0GGY]

Connor Ballenden is levels above Corbett and Bramich who were West's rucks today, he at least was on an AFL list and played AFL football.

Has Strachan ever matched that in any of his SANFL games...No.

If you think Strachan is the way forward you're misguided, sure if there's a decent AFL standard ruck procurable go for it but until then.
Could even do something like actually draft a young developing ruck with decent skills.

I never said he’s the way forward, but that’s on the recruiting staff for not having another option.
Rob isn’t the way forward either so what have we got to lose until we get a different ruck.
Why don’t we go off Strachans games against Gawn, Marshall and Goldstein when he played AFL wouldn’t that make more sense?

 

[Sanders]

You think? I wish it was better - mostly uninformed emotional types. Don't seem to be particularly pro the club though.

Very hard to be pro the club these days

 

[40porpoise]

I like that michalanney was given a shot in the midfield today. Only problem is its the wrong player and the wrong time. Would be better to try dowling, Ryan, Curtin, taylor, rachele or pedlar. And would have been a great opportunity last week at home.

Nicks is an idiot

 

[jackster83]

Very hard to be pro the club these days

That doesn't stop him trying.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

What I wouldn't give for a coach to come in like Blight did and be ruthless and cull all the dead wood

We dont do tough conversations at AFC. Nothing will ever change. The only remotely tough thing he did was drop Crouch to SANFL while he was coming off bad groin issues.

 

[El Doederino]

My mate was invited to a coporate box last week as Brodies old man was there and he told him the club haven’t offered Brodie a contract for next year . Think his time is up and if he was honest with himself with the way he is playing he should call it a day .

I thought they were saying Smith had a trigger for a one year extension that had been met so looks like the club might not have a choice