Opinion The greatest trade in history?

[db swannie]

Tippett is replacing Bradshaw on that list, Mumford is gone. We have no top line ruckman anymore. Pyke is a great forward and is a serviceable ruckman, but he's no elite ruckman.

Pyke outplayed Mumford in the ruck and the forward line this year. The term 'elite' is thrown around too much these days anyway, but in my opinion Pyke was one of the top ruckmen of 2013. I don't think he's a 'great' forward either, he's a great contested mark though.

 

[SM]

Pyke outplayed Mumford in the ruck and the forward line this year. The term 'elite' is thrown around too much these days anyway, but in my opinion Pyke was one of the top ruckmen of 2013. I don't think he's a 'great' forward either, he's a great contested mark though.

I love Pyke, but Mumford's best was a lot better as a ruckman than Pyke's best. Pyke is a great forward because of his contested marking and accurate goal kicking. If you take the contested mark as often as him, with his accuracy, what more do you need as a forward?

 

[db swannie]

I love Pyke, but Mumford's best was a lot better as a ruckman than Pyke's best. Pyke is a great forward because of his contested marking and accurate goal kicking. If you take the contested mark as often as him, with his accuracy, what more do you need as a forward?

We will agree to disagree on Mumford's best then. Pyke as a great forward? He had a great year, but it was his first season where he was able to consistently kick goals. I will wait a couple of more seasons before labelling him as a "great" forward, but I'm sure we both agree on the fact that he had a "great" season, easily his best.

 

[JBSwan]

with all this equalisation stuff going on, you really think theyre going to continue to allow an extra million dollars in the salary cap of a stable, successful club? Especially now that youve signed big, expensive, high-profile forwards 2 years in a row. Do you supporters really want such a massive advantage over other clubs anyway?

im betting that they will certainly abolish it (maybe gradually), it wont really hurt you guys that much if its gradual.

Swans are just trying to do the best they can legally under the current rules..

I think a massive advantage for any club is for them to cheat the system & not get caught...
See, Tippett crows deal.

 

[SM]

We will agree to disagree on Mumford's best then. Pyke as a great forward? He had a great year, but it was his first season where he was able to consistently kick goals. I will wait a couple of more seasons before labelling him as a "great" forward, but I'm sure we both agree on the fact that he had a "great" season, easily his best.

Sorry yes I'm talking 2013 in isolation. Pyke had a great season as a forward, is perhaps a more accurate way to put it.

 

[Kerleys Ghost]

The CoLA wont be abolished until after we recruit Patrick Dangerfield in 2015. The AFL will sanction the trade for fear that Dangerfields legal team will challenge via the Human rights commission on the basis Adelaide is an inhumane place for talented and/or sophisticated people.

thats ok, weve still got plenty more.

you cant afford to poach every champion footballer we produce.

 

[CAS79]

thats ok, weve still got plenty more.

you cant afford to poach every champion footballer we produce.

While I understand your copping a bit of trolling I think the reason for you now posting in this thread has been done, so can we return it topic now, that goes to swans fans too, and move on.

 

[Punts]

Pyke had a very good year all around the ground not just forward and I heard more than one commentator say he is the number one ruck atm during the year ala Darcy , Matthews , Harley , Richo and even Roos had him as his All Aus ruck , all these guys watch a lot of Footy live and watch the work of players around the ground so to say he had a good year forward and not so good in the ruck is not right and if that's the case Pyke might as well not play in 2014 and we should put a mid in the ruck as Pyke wont get a spot forward with Tippett , Buddy , Reid , Goodes

 

[Numbered Days]

with all this equalisation stuff going on, you really think theyre going to continue to allow an extra million dollars in the salary cap of a stable, successful club? Especially now that youve signed big, expensive, high-profile forwards 2 years in a row. Do you supporters really want such a massive advantage over other clubs anyway?

im betting that they will certainly abolish it (maybe gradually), it wont really hurt you guys that much if its gradual.

We don't have an extra million in the salary cap. What does the A in COLA stand for?

Also, it is not a massive advantage - it is correcting a disadvantage.

You have summed up why the AFL won't remove it. You don't know what it is or what it's for but yet you complain. If just once one of you guys could come up with a coherent argument then the AFL might listen. Until then the only need to give the appearance of listening - to appease the ignorant.

 

[CAS79]

We don't have an extra million in the salary cap. What does the A in COLA stand for?

Also, it is not a massive advantage - it is correcting a disadvantage.

You have summed up why the AFL won't remove it. You don't know what it is or what it's for but yet you complain. If just once one of you guys could come up with a coherent argument then the AFL might listen. Until then the only need to give the appearance of listening - to appease the ignorant.

This is not the cola thread, we've come off topic and now please can we return to it.

 

[lock33]

Pyke outplayed Mumford in the ruck and the forward line this year. The term 'elite' is thrown around too much these days anyway, but in my opinion Pyke was one of the top ruckmen of 2013. I don't think he's a 'great' forward either, he's a great contested mark though.

Mumford beat nearly every Pyke stat all year when they played alongside each other, I think most supporters get blinded by what a great story Pyke is.
I love Pyke and have always been one of his strongest supporters, 2014 will be a massive year for Pyke.

 

[db swannie]

Mumford beat nearly every Pyke stat all year when they played alongside each other, I think most supporters get blinded by what a great story Pyke is.
I love Pyke and have always been one of his strongest supporters, 2014 will be a massive year for Pyke.

Did he? I rarely look at stats when thinking about players comparatively. That's not to say they aren't more relevant, they just aren't to me.

Regardless I am very happy he's still with us. Despite being older than Mumford I actually think he's got more footy years left in him.

 

[lock33]

Did he? I rarely look at stats when thinking about players comparatively. .

Yes he did, however Pykes taps to advantage, although less of them the percentage was very, very impressive he was more quality as a tap ruckman than quantity. I believe that will increase even more this year if played as the genuine number one but he does have his weaknesses.

 

[db swannie]

Yes he did, however Pykes taps to advantage, although less of them the percentage was very, very impressive he was more quality as a tap ruckman than quantity. I believe that will increase even more this year if played as the genuine number one but he does have his weaknesses.

Fair enough, BTW what in your opinion are his weaknesses. I tend to think he needs to improve his kicking in general play (his first instinct still seems to be a hand pass) and his work at ground level perhaps. That was one area that Mumford was way better than Pyke IMO.

 

[lock33]

Fair enough, BTW what in your opinion are his weaknesses. I tend to think he needs to improve his kicking in general play (his first instinct still seems to be a hand pass) and his work at ground level perhaps. That was one area that Mumford was way better than Pyke IMO.

he plays to his strengths and fair enough as he has come from along way back, yes Id like to see him back himself more and kick it himself and much faster I wouldn't even care if he sprayed a few. He isn't that great below his knees but still better than a lot of number one rucks in the comp, I think he just needs more urgency when he takes possession. Macca would disagree as he doubled his stats from getting cheapies from Pyke.

* I guess I should have put a lol on the end of that for the drama queens on here.

 

[Number37]

he plays to his strengths and fair enough as he has come from along way back, yes Id like to see him back himself more and kick it himself and much faster I wouldn't even care if he sprayed a few. He isn't that great below his knees but still better than a lot of number one rucks in the comp, I think he just needs more urgency when he takes possession. Macca would disagree as he doubled his stats from getting cheapies from Pyke.

* I guess I should have put a lol on the end of that for the drama queens on here.

I think he does the right thing giving it off. It is no point taking a contested mark then kicking it only to turn it over.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Ah Plugger. How he put bumps on seats. That point in 1996 to beat the Dons after the siren and put us into the big one. My bump was firmly on the seat watching that game.

Pretty sure you can get an ointment for that.

 

[Swandwagonner]

Tippett is replacing Bradshaw on that list, Mumford is gone. We have no top line ruckman anymore. Pyke is a great forward and is a serviceable ruckman, but he's no elite ruckman.

Most teams do not have an elite ruckman. 211cm agile 122keg players with freakish agility do not grow on trees. Whilst it's an advantage for those few teams that do, most teams are at a disadvantage in the ruck against a player of the calibre of Aaron Sandilands - but they rely on an efficient midfield to counter this disadvantage.*

Pyke will have to step up, as will Tippo/LRT/whoever else chops out in the ruck, and our midfield will have to do its homework on the tapwork of the teams with elite ruckmen.

*It is interesting that Freo have a quality ruckman and one of the highest rated taggers in the league, plus a defence first coaching strategy. Put Sandilands in a truly attacking team, the stoppage would be the engine room for scoreboard pressure. Considering their strategy, do Freo get the most out of Sandilands?

 

[lock33]

Most teams do not have an elite ruckman. 211cm agile 122keg players with freakish agility do not grow on trees. Whilst it's an advantage for those few teams that do, most teams are at a disadvantage in the ruck against a player of the calibre of Aaron Sandilands - but they rely on an efficient midfield to counter this disadvantage.*

Pyke will have to step up, as will Tippo/LRT/whoever else chops out in the ruck, and our midfield will have to do its homework on the tapwork of the teams with elite ruckmen.

*It is interesting that Freo have a quality ruckman and one of the highest rated taggers in the league, plus a defence first coaching strategy. Put Sandilands in a truly attacking team, the stoppage would be the engine room for scoreboard pressure. Considering their strategy, do Freo get the most out of Sandilands?

You can add Scott Gumbleton to the picture, I wonder if he can stay fit will Freo play them both together?

 

[disgruntled goat]

No reason to apologise your bring some valid points onto the board (Some of which are shared by several Swans supporters)

Personally I think that this deal is the perfect definition of high risk to high reward, If it goes right we can be looking at 2 Flags in the 5 or so years... But if it goes wrong no flags in the immediate future and we could be left supporting Buddy's contract for the next 9 years without any success.

Personally though I think it's hard to see us not winning at least one flag with the likes of Mitchell, Parker, Hannebery, Rampe, Johnson, Rohan and Jetta are only going to improve over the next years (And should should offset the decline of Goodes, ROK and Shaw).

Not to mention you would find that most of the Swans fans here have complete faith in our board and especially our departing director Colless who has barely put a foot wrong in his entire AFL administration career, So I doubt he would of decided to recruit Buddy without performing his due diligence.

I would rather be taking this risk and chasing the ultimate success than gradually falling away and attempting a long rebuild like Melbourne or St Kilda.

If this all blows up in our faces, that's exactly what we might be facing ... a la Brisbane/Voss/Fevola ...

 

[disgruntled goat]

There is a few people

Unless your are apart of the board , which your not how do u no this will cripple us , your going over top a little mate

I don't think he is at all ... again, look at Voss/Fevola at Brisbane ... I'm not comparing Franklin to Fevola but I AM comparing the ongoing depth issue ... I am trying to be optimistic about this deal but I keep going back to the argument that Franklin's best is already behind him. He was NOT the star factor at Hawthorn this season that so many on the Sydney board seem to believe.

To be honest, my thoughts over the past two weeks have been that the Swans (and the AFL) might have jumped the shark on the Franklin deal ...

 

[Count Dooku]

You can add Scott Gumbleton to the picture, I wonder if he can stay fit will Freo play them both together?

I have come to semi enjoy your posts with a sky is falling tone, but if you are suggesting twiggy Gumbleton will pinch hit in the ruck for Freo with Clarke, Griffin and Bradley on the list, I am concerned that I may have entered a topsy turvy parallel universe. Please tell me I am misreading your post and we are still on planet earth.

 

[lock33]

I have come to semi enjoy your posts with a sky is falling tone, but if you are suggesting twiggy Gumbleton will pinch hit in the ruck for Freo with Clarke, Griffin and Bradley on the list, I am concerned that I may have entered a topsy turvy parallel universe. Please tell me I am misreading your post and we are still on planet earth.

My sky never falls champ stop trying so hard.

 

[Count Dooku]

My sky never falls champ stop trying so hard.

So are you suggesting Gumbleton will be a back up ruck for Sandilands?

 

[lock33]

So are you suggesting Gumbleton will be a back up ruck for Sandilands?

I was just adding him to Freo's ruck/forward depth in the conversation.