List Mgmt. The Kelly and All Draft and Trades Discussion Thread- #freetim #ITSHAPPENING

[Max zero]

I love the use of veterans that weren't going to be offered new contracts and players not in the B22 as justification that they gave them away for unders / nothing.

Keep Geelonging

Trading delisted players for late picks is now doing a favour.

 

[sey666]

Love this fallacy based on nothing. Here’s a few similar situations Geelong have help facilitate this decade.

Sanderson to coach Adelaide (in middle of 2011 finals series)

Mumford to chase big contract

Christensen to get out of Geelong and his issues

Caddy to chase contract and opportunities

McCarthy for fresh start

As well as trading Pods, Stevie J, Chappy and others for nicks to help them get where they wanted straight away.

Throw in agreeing to essentially forfeit against Adelaide after their coach was killed, and I’d say Geelong’s track record isn’t too bad.

For the record, can you pull up anyone linked to the AFL saying Geelong have been difficult to deal with?

While you are at it add Nathan Vardy (traded for pick 72) as well.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

I love the use of veterans that weren't going to be offered new contracts and players not in the B22 as justification that they gave them away for unders / nothing.

Keep Geelonging

You realize if you trade them they can go there straight away yeah? Geelong traded most for picks they didn’t use to get them there.

Christensen and Caddy were definitely best 22, Mumford would have been but cats couldn’t pay him what the swans offered.

You guys allow Mitchell to leave a year early and claim to be Mother Theresa ?

 

[xLeCrAs2x]

Everyone is forgetting that we also let Voss break his contract and leave for the lion (probably a blessing in disguise)

 

[Danger!Selwood]

While you are at it add Nathan Vardy (traded for pick 72) as well.

Hold on, old mate earlier used an example that the eagles allowed Mitchell to leave a year early as an example as to the hawks now ‘owing you one’, but Sanderson being allowed to leave in the midst of a finals series is nothing?

Still waiting for anyone to provide quotes of anyone being negative towards Geelong’s professionalism regarding trading too...

 

[FreeTK]

Love this fallacy based on nothing. Here’s a few similar situations Geelong have help facilitate this decade.

For the record, can you pull up anyone linked to the AFL saying Geelong have been difficult to deal with

Here are recent public comments that have informed my opinion that your club is full of grubs;

- Chris Scott comments after PF "fight tooth and nail to keep him" - even though his trade request was based on needs of his family
- Chris Scott comments on 360, sarcastically stating that it would take 4 first rounders and Dusty Martin and stating "I don't see how a trade gets done"
- Chris Scott publicly talking about inner workings of why last year did not get done (to be taken with a grain of salt as you can't believe a word he says).
- Allegedly leaking Tim Kelly's trade request in advance of GFC B&F before Tim Kelly wanted it public knowledge (in an effort to shape the media narrative)
- Constant remarks from Wells about how "West Coast is a fierce rival and that needs to be considered
- Stephen Wells on Trade Radio admitting that there are people inside Geelong Football Club, specifically stating that he should not be traded to West Coast due to us being in contention for another flag. Completely disregarding that he nominated West Coast in his trade request.
- Geelong Football Club intentionally misrepresenting Tim Kelly's trade request as a request back to WA. It was, and remains a trade request to West Coast
- Stephen Wells stating that he would be in conversation with the Dockers in relation to Tim Kelly' trade request, and using them as a stalking horse although Kelly has stated that his trade request is to West Coast, not Fremantle.

What are your thoughts about the above public comments from officials at Geelong football club as it relates to Tim Kelly's trade request to the West Coast Eagles?
Do you believe that the above comments undermine professional relationships between the two clubs?
More broadly, do you believe that the above comments and actions are in line precedents set in other trade requests?

 

[shooshka]

You realize if you trade them they can go there straight away yeah? Geelong traded most for picks they didn’t use to get them there.

Christensen and Caddy were definitely best 22, Mumford would have been but cats couldn’t pay him what the swans offered.

You guys allow Mitchell to leave a year early and claim to be Mother Theresa ?

I think it would be more of a challenge to find a team who didn't trade a player they were going to delist anyway for a junk pick (regardless of whether that pick is used or not). Can't think of one situation where that has happened.


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[ep2018]

looooooool we'd be bending Hawthorn over if we traded 24 and 33 for 11. No way in hell that happens.

 

[Bender_]

Geelong were so thoughtful to not offer contracts to their premiership heroes and make them seek extra years at other clubs. Truly inspiring.

 

[shooshka]

Here are recent public comments that have informed my opinion that your club is full of grubs;

- Chris Scott comments after PF "fight tooth and nail to keep him" - even though his trade request was based on needs of his family
- Chris Scott comments on 360, sarcastically stating that it would take 4 first rounders and Dusty Martin and stating "I don't see how a trade gets done"
- Chris Scott publicly talking about inner workings of why last year did not get done (to be taken with a grain of salt as you can't believe a word he says).
- Allegedly leaking Tim Kelly's trade request in advance of GFC B&F before Tim Kelly wanted it public knowledge (in an effort to shape the media narrative)
- Constant remarks from Wells about how "West Coast is a fierce rival and that needs to be considered
- Stephen Wells on Trade Radio admitting that there are people inside Geelong Football Club, specifically stating that he should not be traded to West Coast due to us being in contention for another flag. Completely disregarding that he nominated West Coast in his trade request.
- Geelong Football Club intentionally misrepresenting Tim Kelly's trade request as a request back to WA. It was, and remains a trade request to West Coast
- Stephen Wells stating that he would be in conversation with the Dockers in relation to Tim Kelly' trade request, and using them as a stalking horse although Kelly has stated that his trade request is to West Coast, not Fremantle.

What are your thoughts about the above public comments from officials at Geelong football club as it relates to Tim Kelly's trade request to the West Coast Eagles?
Do you believe that the above comments undermine professional relationships between the two clubs?
More broadly, do you believe that the above comments and actions are in line precedents set in other trade requests?

To be fair most of that is Chris Scott. He's been very emotional about this for a while, but I don't think (certainly hope not) that he speaks for the GFC in regards to their trade strategy.

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[archiemoses]

You realize if you trade them they can go there straight away yeah? Geelong traded most for picks they didn’t use to get them there.

Christensen and Caddy were definitely best 22, Mumford would have been but cats couldn’t pay him what the swans offered.

You guys allow Mitchell to leave a year early and claim to be Mother Theresa ?

I actually can't believe you are claiming to be good guys for the fact that YOU got compensated for a player YOU were delisting anyway.

You're claiming that as some sort of favour?

Are you listening to yourself?

 

[sey666]

You realize if you trade them they can go there straight away yeah? Geelong traded most for picks they didn’t use to get them there.

Christensen and Caddy were definitely best 22, Mumford would have been but cats couldn’t pay him what the swans offered.

You guys allow Mitchell to leave a year early and claim to be Mother Theresa ?

Christensen was not best 22 in 2014 - played only 8 games. Maybe he was injured, may be he was out of form. Either way you got pick 21 for him - does n't look like charity to me.

 

[shooshka]

Christensen was not best 22 in 2014 - played only 8 games. Maybe he was injured, may be he was out of form. Either way you got pick 21 for him - does n't look like charity to me.

Had a couple of distractions away from the club iirc. To the point where is partner (gf/wife) demanded he move away from those distractions.

I can only assume she was also attacked with vile comments from cats supporters on social media.

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[FreeTK]

To be fair most of that is Chris Scott. He's been very emotional about this for a while, but I don't think (certainly hope not) that he speaks for the GFC in regards to their trade strategy.

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You are right about that, but he does set the tone for the club. A senior coach is the most public facing official in any AFL club, and he is the worst of the 18 coaches in the league when it comes to how he chooses to present the club to those on the outside. He is Trumpian in disrespect for norms and common that govern how these types of things proceed.

I'd be embarrassed if he was the coach of my club.

 

[archiemoses]

I think Chris Scott is the perfect fit for Geelong.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Here are recent public comments that have informed my opinion that your club is full of grubs;

- Chris Scott comments after PF "fight tooth and nail to keep him" - even though his trade request was based on needs of his family
- Chris Scott comments on 360, sarcastically stating that it would take 4 first rounders and Dusty Martin and stating "I don't see how a trade gets done"
- Chris Scott publicly talking about inner workings of why last year did not get done (to be taken with a grain of salt as you can't believe a word he says).
- Allegedly leaking Tim Kelly's trade request in advance of GFC B&F before Tim Kelly wanted it public knowledge (in an effort to shape the media narrative)
- Constant remarks from Wells about how "West Coast is a fierce rival and that needs to be considered
- Stephen Wells on Trade Radio admitting that there are people inside Geelong Football Club, specifically stating that he should not be traded to West Coast due to us being in contention for another flag. Completely disregarding that he nominated West Coast in his trade request.
- Geelong Football Club intentionally misrepresenting Tim Kelly's trade request as a request back to WA. It was, and remains a trade request to West Coast
- Stephen Wells stating that he would be in conversation with the Dockers in relation to Tim Kelly' trade request, and using them as a stalking horse although Kelly has stated that his trade request is to West Coast, not Fremantle.

What are your thoughts about the above public comments from officials at Geelong football club as it relates to Tim Kelly's trade request to the West Coast Eagles?
Do you believe that the above comments undermine professional relationships between the two clubs?
More broadly, do you believe that the above comments and actions are in line precedents set in other trade requests?

Shock horror, a coach wants to hang on to a player who has finished top 5 in the brownlow and AA in his second year.

Also not sure if you listened to the Wells interview where he stated there were people who were keen to hang on to Kelly in the slightest hope that he changes his mind and resigns with the cats.

Kelly has stated numerous times that he loves Geelong (the FC) and in his perfect world he could move the club to Perth, so must be doing a lot right.

Also, it’s a negotiation. Geelong’s not going to come out and say they’ll take whatever the eagles offer, and I doubt the eagles are going to offer up their absolute best to begin with either.

Geelong will want A, Eagles will want to give C and ultimately it will be done for B. Regardless the eagles will get an A grader for the next 6-8 years while we could get a Cripps and Bont with the pics, or a Lang and Smedts .

 

[FreeTK]

Shock horror, a coach wants to hang on to a player who has finished top 5 in the brownlow and AA in his second year.

Also not sure if you listened to the Wells interview where he stated there were people who were keen to hang on to Kelly in the slightest hope that he changes his mind and resigns with the cats.

Kelly has stated numerous times that he loves Geelong (the FC) and in his perfect world he could move the club to Perth, so must be doing a lot right.

Also, it’s a negotiation. Geelong’s not going to come out and say they’ll take whatever the eagles offer, and I doubt the eagles are going to offer up their absolute best to begin with either.

Geelong will want A, Eagles will want to give C and ultimately it will be done for B. Regardless the eagles will get an A grader for the next 6-8 years while we could get a Cripps and Bont with the pics, or a Lang and Smedts .

You didn't answer any of the questions I asked.

 

[JohnW]

Hold on, old mate earlier used an example that the eagles allowed Mitchell to leave a year early as an example as to the hawks now ‘owing you one’, but Sanderson being allowed to leave in the midst of a finals series is nothing?

Still waiting for anyone to provide quotes of anyone being negative towards Geelong’s professionalism regarding trading too...

Provide quotes that say you are easy to deal with

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[Sillo]

Remember 2015, October. West Coast releases vice captain Scott Selwood restricted free agent to Geelong. What did they receive in return from AFL - pick 37

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Christensen was not best 22 in 2014 - played only 8 games. Maybe he was injured, may be he was out of form. Either way you got pick 21 for him - does n't look like charity to me.

He was injured, but a 21-22 yo premiership player. Wanted to get to Brisbane as his dad was there so it got done no hassles.

Another example of Geelong doing the right thing, despite the ongoing dialogue that we are difficult to deal with.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

Provide quotes that say you are easy to deal with

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David Noble after we ‘shafted’ Adelaide

‘All along we were intent on doing what was in the best interests of our club, and we have been able to deliver the best possible outcome," Noble said.

"Securing picks nine and 28 allows us to add some more quality talent to our playing list, while Dean is a young man who has the makings of a long-term player.

"I would also like to acknowledge Geelong for the professional manner in which these negotiations were handled."

Your turn now....

 

[twadds]

I don't get it.

The “Gray brothers” aren’t brothers.

 

[Danger!Selwood]

I actually can't believe you are claiming to be good guys for the fact that YOU got compensated for a player YOU were delisting anyway.

You're claiming that as some sort of favour?

Are you listening to yourself?

You think we used the pick 88 or whatever we got for Chappy?

Just makes it easier for the player and the club he’s going to, so that everyone can move forward.

Again, this was just one example of a number and no one has provided a quote of anyone stating the cats are tough to deal with... funny that

 

[FreeTK]

He was injured, but a 21-22 yo premiership player. Wanted to get to Brisbane as his dad was there so it got done no hassles.

Another example of Geelong doing the right thing, despite the ongoing dialogue that we are difficult to deal with.

Trades are usually not done in public like this. They get done behind closed doors for good reasons. If Geelong don't want the backlash for coming across as difficult, simply shut the **** and work quietly behind closed doors, like the eagles and almost every other club in the AFL.

There is an often misquoted saying from Bismarck "laws are like sausages, better not see them being made" which I think is pertinent here.

Geelong has decided to open the door in this particular trade and have it play out in public. And now you are over here complaining that we have formed an opinion on how your club has gone about this trade based on comments that have been publicly stated on the record.......

 

[archiemoses]

You think we used the pick 88 or whatever we got for Chappy?

Just makes it easier for the player and the club he’s going to, so that everyone can move forward.

Again, this was just one example of a number and no one has provided a quote of anyone stating the cats are tough to deal with... funny that

Lol, wow. You still don't get it.