Analysis The Rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their Future Prospects

[Footy Smarts]

Do the VFL keep track of player ratings?

Oof that's nasty!

 

[Leeda]

Tuesday...tuesday...monkey.see Tuesday...

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Is it? I thought da ratingz were only available to subscribers to champion data.

Can you send me a link where I can find them?

wheeloratings.com

Choose "AFL" "Player stats"

You can get every player rating for every game and season back to 2012 there.

 

[Footy Smarts]

wheeloratings.com

Choose "AFL" "Player stats"

You can get every player rating for every game and season back to 2012 there.

Amazing thank you!

So let's see what da ratingz say about Geelong and Richmond youngsters. So if we limit it to players that turned 23 this year or younger with ratingz above 8 their ratingz for the year in order are:

Holmes - 14.87
Humphries - 10.95
Conway - 10.40 (limited to 5 games due to injury)
Dempsey - 9.82
Bruhn - 9.32
De Koning - 9.31
Gibcus - 8.75 (limited to 2 games due to injury)
Bauer - 8.5 (only picked for 3 games)

So Geelong has the top 6. And the only 2 Richmond players who make the grade played 5 games between them.

Pretty concerning for Geelong wouldn't you say Meteoric Rise ?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Amazing thank you!

So let's see what da ratingz say about Geelong and Richmond youngsters. So if we limit it to players that turned 23 this year or younger with ratingz above 8 their ratingz for the year in order are:

Holmes - 14.87
Humphries - 10.95
Conway - 10.40 (limited to 5 games due to injury)
Dempsey - 9.82
Bruhn - 9.32
De Koning - 9.31
Gibcus - 8.75 (limited to 2 games due to injury)
Bauer - 8.5 (only picked for 3 games)

So Geelong has the top 6. And the only 2 Richmond players who make the grade played 5 games between them.

Pretty concerning for Geelong wouldn't you say Meteoric Rise ?

You've got one key player(Holmes) rating high for his role. Humphries doing well on a back flank for half a season. Dempsey rating pretty well for a winger. The rest of those you listed are losing their positions with those ratings.

The Richmond contingent didn't rate well but that is to be expected given most of them either had interrupted seasons or were playing peripheral roles made much more difficult by the fact the midfield and forward line were decimated. What Richmond will be disappointed in is their 23 year olds, a couple of whom had great chances to step up but were found badly wanting, Dow and Cumberland in particular, to a lesser extent Coulthard. All 3 of those would be delisted in normal circumstances but we already have around 8 outgoing players, so some or all of those may be retained for another year.

Long way to go for all these guys.

 

[Grrr]

Amazing thank you!

So let's see what da ratingz say about Geelong and Richmond youngsters. So if we limit it to players that turned 23 this year or younger with ratingz above 8 their ratingz for the year in order are:

Holmes - 14.87
Humphries - 10.95
Conway - 10.40 (limited to 5 games due to injury)
Dempsey - 9.82
Bruhn - 9.32
De Koning - 9.31
Gibcus - 8.75 (limited to 2 games due to injury)
Bauer - 8.5 (only picked for 3 games)

So Geelong has the top 6. And the only 2 Richmond players who make the grade played 5 games between them.

Pretty concerning for Geelong wouldn't you say Meteoric Rise ?

You can only rate young players when they have played roughly the same amount of games.

Holmes has played 70 odd games, he is far ahead of any of our young players because they have played by and large their first seasons. In Holmes's first season he averaged nearly 10 possessions a game, much like Brown has for us, nearly 13.

Our young players were either not much chop, weren't given much of a go in a side going backward under Hardwick, or were just starting. A few have bobbed up this year who look decent, but let's wait a year or so before we can say who's are better.

 

[Footy Smarts]

You've got one key player(Holmes) rating high for his role. Humphries doing well on a back flank for half a season. Dempsey rating pretty well for a winger. The rest of those you listed are losing their positions with those ratings.

The Richmond contingent didn't rate well but that is to be expected given most of them either had interrupted seasons or were playing peripheral roles made much more difficult by the fact the midfield and forward line were decimated. What Richmond will be disappointed in is their 23 year olds, a couple of whom had great chances to step up but were found badly wanting, Dow and Cumberland in particular, to a lesser extent Coulthard. All 3 of those would be delisted in normal circumstances but we already have around 8 outgoing players, so some or all of those may be retained for another year.

Long way to go for all these guys.

You could've just said yes it is concerning for Geelong.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You could've just said yes it is concerning for Geelong.

I wouldn't be concerned if I were Geelong supporter. The main reason for that is I wouldn't be a Geelong supporter.

 

[Footy Smarts]

You can only rate young players when they have played roughly the same amount of games.

Holmes has played 70 odd games, he is far ahead of any of our young players because they have played by and large their first seasons. In Holmes's first season he averaged nearly 10 possessions a game, much like Brown has for us, nearly 13.

Let's be honest. Holmes is far ahead of your young players cause he's miles better. Same as the rest of our young players because he's a gun.

I like how you try to pretend this year was Brown's first to make it sound better. But he's 21. It's his 3rd year in the system.

Why did Humphries perform so much better than Brown this year in what was actually his first season? Why did Dempsey perform so much better from the same draft despite playing very little footy as a junior?

It's not certain and things can change but chances are they're just better players.

Our young players were either not much chop, weren't given much of a go in a side going backward under Hardwick, or were just starting. A few have bobbed up this year who look decent, but let's wait a year or so before we can say who's are better.

You were saying similar about guys like Dow and Cumberland last year.

If you're a guy like Sonsie, Dow and Cumberland and are getting dropped from the worst team in the comp after 3+ years in the system it's a really, really bad sign.

 

[Grrr]

Let's be honest. Holmes is far ahead of your young players cause he's miles better. Same as the rest of our young players because he's a gun.

I like how you try to pretend this year was Brown's first to make it sound better. But he's 21. It's his 3rd year in the system.

Why did Humphries perform so much better than Brown this year in what was actually his first season? Why did Dempsey perform so much better from the same draft despite playing very little footy as a junior?

It's not certain and things can change but chances are they're just better players.



You were saying similar about guys like Dow and Cumberland last year.

If you're a guy like Sonsie, Dow and Cumberland and are getting dropped from the worst team in the comp after 3+ years in the system it's a really, really bad sign.

They are the not much chop category, and they were all found wanting. That happens in every club.

It was Brown's first year playing seniors but for one game last year. His first year he played VFL, was injured for the first 10 VFL games in '23 and then had a proper run this year and did very well. He had the disadvantage of playing in a side that one the spoon, not one that finished top 4.

Of course we are behind in regard to young players, Wells is about the best in the business. But that can change very quickly, and it will in regard to this years draft. We will have a hand like GWS and Gold Coast when they started.

Richmond have a good way to go to get back up there, but there were at least some signs that some young players might step up like as you mentioned Dempsey and Humphries, who you would not have thought a year ago that they would be doing what they are doing. Every club has those.

 

[Wojcinski]

Amazing thank you!

So let's see what da ratingz say about Geelong and Richmond youngsters. So if we limit it to players that turned 23 this year or younger with ratingz above 8 their ratingz for the year in order are:

Holmes - 14.87
Humphries - 10.95
Conway - 10.40 (limited to 5 games due to injury)
Dempsey - 9.82
Bruhn - 9.32
De Koning - 9.31
Gibcus - 8.75 (limited to 2 games due to injury)
Bauer - 8.5 (only picked for 3 games)

So Geelong has the top 6. And the only 2 Richmond players who make the grade played 5 games between them.

Pretty concerning for Geelong wouldn't you say Meteoric Rise ?

I knew their youth was garbage but I didn't realise it was North in 2020 levels of utter garbage

Oh dear, it's gonna be a long 3 decades for the poor old Tigers

 

[DanA]

They are the not much chop category, and they were all found wanting. That happens in every club.

It was Brown's first year playing seniors but for one game last year. His first year he played VFL, was injured for the first 10 VFL games in '23 and then had a proper run this year and did very well. He had the disadvantage of playing in a side that one the spoon, not one that finished top 4.

Of course we are behind in regard to young players, Wells is about the best in the business. But that can change very quickly, and it will in regard to this years draft. We will have a hand like GWS and Gold Coast when they started.

Richmond have a good way to go to get back up there, but there were at least some signs that some young players might step up like as you mentioned Dempsey and Humphries, who you would not have thought a year ago that they would be doing what they are doing. Every club has those.

It can change very quickly.....in theory. But real world, it has remained the same for the last 25 years so and if 2024 is any indication it looks like it will remain so for the foreseeable future.