Analysis The Rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their Future Prospects

[Mr Meow]

Taranto, Vlastuin, Short, Rioli and Nank were great. Swap them for a few other Tigers youngsters and you're looking at an 80+ point drubbing.

Not much shown by the rest.

 

[Morro]

The Cats have over performed this year.

They have one star Cameron who could slow down next year like Hawkins suddenly did

Their next best forward looks like leaving

The core of players circa mid 20's is pretty shit.

Their midfield is and will be shit for some time

A few good kids coming through.

This gap that cats supporters spruik between us and them and our lists, is not what they think. Injuries is the only reason they appear better than us for now.

 

[tiger_tough]

Join us

 

[Daka]

Cats fans all sudden quiet on here...

Hawkins having much worse year than Jack Riewoldt did last year.
Father time catches everyone!

 

[catters05]

Join us

Yeah….. damn.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Yeah….. damn.

Don’t worry it’s not so bad

We can sit around crying into our premiership merch for a few years while we rebuild while watching the minnows battle it out discussing how much better the game was when we were at the peak of our powers

 

[Maybenextyear]

Cats are worse than the Tigers even before their rebuild has started . They may not have needed to put so many seats in the new stadium after all. The new North.

 

[TigerTime88]

Both clubs need to hit the pointy end of the draft. Cats having that semi competitive year but will need to go full rebuild soon and retire a few veterans.

 

[Sphynx]

Both clubs need to hit the pointy end of the draft. Cats having that semi competitive year but will need to go full rebuild soon and retire a few veterans.

They are the side I see the most likely being rooted by Tassie.

Scott will try hang on one more year before moving into a full rebuild.

Wells and Mackie will try and plunder another teams young players for another year before admitting defeat.

They tried to rebuild on the run, but there were too many quality senior players to replace.

In reality they would be in even a worse spot if they didn’t get the GC rort deals

The draft working as it should

Like Richmond it will be interesting to see who Geelong might part with in the next 3 years to start it.

 

[Muddiemoose]

They are the side I see the most likely being rooted by Tassie.

Scott will try hang on one more year before moving into a full rebuild.

Wells and Mackie will try and plunder another teams young players for another year before admitting defeat.

They tried to rebuild on the run, but there were too many quality senior players to replace.

In reality they would be in even a worse spot if they didn’t get the GC rort deals

The draft working as it should

Like Richmond it will be interesting to see who Geelong might part with in the next 3 years to start it.

Depending on how it all plays out I still think the cats will have time to assemble a decent a nice young crop of talent before Tassie enters the comp but they will need to draft very well

As you would know that low picks don’t always guarantee a gun player that will live up to the potential projected on draft night

Cats and Tigers will need to be nailing these next two to three drafts without the luxury of knowing even if they finish poorly they will get the best picks

Although I think it will be the sides who start to drop out of contention 3 years from now that will ultimately be hurt more

Maybe teams like Essendon

 

[Rich01]

The question will be when they retire off their players.

Rohan, Cameron, Blicavs are still playing roles.
Danger, Hawkins, Tuohy look cooked.

Stengle probably gone.
Stewart has been found out.
Bowes, Guthrie, Atkins, OConnor isn’t the way forward.

They have done well this year with the list and who they have carried. Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

has extracted the most he could out of this group.

 

[sr36]

The Cats have over performed this year.

They have one star Cameron who could slow down next year like Hawkins suddenly did

Their next best forward looks like leaving

The core of players circa mid 20's is pretty shit.

Their midfield is and will be shit for some time

A few good kids coming through.

This gap that cats supporters spruik between us and them and our lists, is not what they think. Injuries is the only reason they appear better than us for now.

I don't think you'll be saying they overachieved by the end of the year - they'll keep dropping.

But still well ahead of the Tiges in terms of rebuild. Cats have a backline and small and medium forwards that will be good for a fair while. In terms of midfield - they're currently really weak, but Holmes will be a star if not already - need to add a few others. They could be good pretty quickly if they can poach a top line mid and a couple of their young ones come good.

 

[Morro]

I don't think you'll be saying they overachieved by the end of the year - they'll keep dropping.

But still well ahead of the Tiges in terms of rebuild. Cats have a backline and small and medium forwards that will be good for a fair while. In terms of midfield - they're currently really weak, but Holmes will be a star if not already - need to add a few others. They could be good pretty quickly if they can poach a top line mid and a couple of their young ones come good.

I agree.

I disagree with the second part though, their core is horrendous. Our core is significantly better, people just forget given our injuries.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Dempsey spent the whole first term on Ralphsmith on a wing.

Q2 he moves to attack, gets a handball goal assist at a stoppage on Miller. Then takes an advantage and snaps a goal that was no benefit to Geelong whatsoever and has another ball ricochet into his lap and snaps a goal. For the advantage goal he was on Brown at a stoppage.

So he did well there(including a bit of luck his way) but didn't beat Vlastuin in any contests and wasn't even on Vlastuin that I could tell. His 3rd goal in the 3rd term was on Vlastuin but was a soccer off the ground from 1m out after Vlastuin slipped over turning, basically it was a Bradbury goal, and not Peter Bradbury either. His final goal assist came on Brown when the play was broken up down the wing as Richmond were a man down with Lefau limping off, as usual umps don't stop the game when a Tiger player has a serious injury against Geelong.

So his goals and assists may have mainly come at good times for Geelong, but 4 of the 5 were not on Vlastuin, the one that was relied on Vlastuin slipping over when he had Dempsey covered, and the goals he kicked were very much a result of Richmond's defence not being perfectly organised, as you would expect with so much instability there. Not Dempsey's fault, he did his job, but those are not goal involvements he will be able to build any sort of career upon.

Hey Meteoric Rise I really enjoyed this breakdown of Dempsey's game against Richmond.

Any chance you could do a similar breakdown of his 25 touches, 2 goals, 2 goal assists and 9 coaches votes against Essendon?

 

[FootyLad0]

Hey Meteoric Rise I really enjoyed this breakdown of Dempsey's game against Richmond.

Any chance you could do a similar breakdown of his 25 touches, 2 goals, 2 goal assists and 9 coaches votes against Essendon?

He won't, O Dempsey is now hot on the heels of potentially winning Rising Star but according to old mate MR, he apparently only kicks goals he can't build his career upon, live shot of our boy Meteoric Rise...

 

[FootyLad0]

I don't think you'll be saying they overachieved by the end of the year - they'll keep dropping.

Dropping? With our run Home?
That's stiff!

 

[STPer18]

9 more coaches' votes for Dempsey, 5 more for Holmes. I liked the look of young Humphries too - might've found another Wells special right there.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Hey Meteoric Rise I really enjoyed this breakdown of Dempsey's game against Richmond.

Any chance you could do a similar breakdown of his 25 touches, 2 goals, 2 goal assists and 9 coaches votes against Essendon?

Embarrassing callout for you Footy Smarts, thank god you are smart at footy cos you are a dumb as **** Big Footy poster.

Going well the kid. Moves to 16 coaches votes in 16 games, way less than 20% of the votes of the highest polling 21yo this season. 9th most disposals per game same cohort. 9th highest player rating same cohort. 10th most goals same cohort. 11th most metres dishonestly gained same cohort. 29th highest defensive 1 v 1 contests same cohort. =19th highest tackles same cohort. 21st highest pressure acts same cohort. 41st highest spoils same cohort. 11th most score involvements same cohort. 31st highest 1%ers same cohort. 11th highest contested grabs same cohort.

What exactly is the campaigner supposed to be notably good at? He is good for a Geelong 21yo that is about all I can see.

Pop gun one way runner with a weird Peter Korda head placed onto some un-Geelong like athletic frame.

Not even close to the best player named Dempsey ever to be associated with football in the Geelong district.

Had to give you guys some material to work with.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Embarrassing callout for you Footy Smarts, thank god you are smart at footy cos you are a dumb as **** Big Footy poster.

Going well the kid. Moves to 16 coaches votes in 16 games, way less than 20% of the votes of the highest polling 21yo this season. 9th most disposals per game same cohort. 9th highest player rating same cohort. 10th most goals same cohort. 11th most metres dishonestly gained same cohort. 29th highest defensive 1 v 1 contests same cohort. =19th highest tackles same cohort. 21st highest pressure acts same cohort. 41st highest spoils same cohort. 11th most score involvements same cohort. 31st highest 1%ers same cohort. 11th highest contested grabs same cohort.

What exactly is the campaigner supposed to be notably good at? He is good for a Geelong 21yo that is about all I can see.

Pop gun one way runner with a weird Peter Korda head placed onto some un-Geelong like athletic frame.

Not even close to the best player named Dempsey ever to be associated with football in the Geelong district.

Had to give you guys some material to work with.

Love it. Good content!

What's he notably good at? Bradburying apparently. Might even Bradbury his way to the rising star at this rate.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Love it. Good content!

What's he notably good at? Bradburying apparently. Might even Bradbury his way to the rising star at this rate.

To go with his 6 future Lol Australians promised to any Geelong player above average.

 

[Footy Smarts]

To go with his 6 future Lol Australians promised to any Geelong player above average.

Future? What about this year? Gotta be a sneaky chance.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Future? What about this year? Gotta be a sneaky chance.

When you are about the 9th best 21yo in the Competition, talk of being selected in the AA team is fanciful....unless you play your footy out of the Costa Zoo, so it is nailed on.

He doesn't even have the highest average player rating for a Geelong 21yo in 2024.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I'm just disappointed that we're only 100 votes ahead, really expected better from the BigFooty public.

 

[Footy Smarts]

When you are about the 9th best 21yo in the Competition, talk of being selected in the AA team is fanciful....unless you play your footy out of the Costa Zoo, so it is nailed on.

He doesn't even have the highest average player rating for a Geelong 21yo in 2024.

Yeah give him a jacket I reckon! Or maybe just squad this year and the team next year.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I'm just disappointed that we're only 100 votes ahead, really expected better from the BigFooty public.

People have been seeing your "superstar" DeKoning spud his way through the season once again with a 1 v 1 defensive contest loss % of over 30%, meanwhile back at world sport headquarters, Ben Miller has more coaches votes and a defensive 1 v 1 loss % of 14% and is the 7th highest rated key defender on the planet. But of course Miller doesn't count as part of Richmond's rebuild according to Cat fans here because he is 1 year older than the way inferior DeKoning.

DeKoning, spud, learn to punch from behind campaigner.

So how are all these Geelong superstars we were told would be cornerstones of the seamless rebuild going now?

Holmes - The shining light, playing well. Been to the Clangerfield school of kicking though, and an eyebrow lowering 5.1 score involvements for a guy who runs around without an opponent 24/7, getting involved in a defensive 1 v 1 contest less than once every 3 matches.

Dempsey - 11th highest rated 21yo in the comp this year. Makes him worthy of desperate for attention Cats fans boasting about apparently.

DeKoning - Getting beaten in a third of his defensive v 1's this is so dire the Cats have to assign him a full time minder to ensure he doesn't get isolated in more than 1.8 defensive 1 v 1 contests per game. All we heard from Cats 2 years ago was this guy is going to be a pillar.

O Henry - Should be oh dear oh dear Henry. "A Grader of the future" now a D grader in need of a suture. 101st rated forward in the AFL this season - below even T Hawkins. Say no more.

And don't mention his "jet" brother J Henry. Z Guthrie has gone straight past him in the Cats defensive pecking order I am sorry to say. Not in the top 90 rated defenders in the AFL in 2024. We thought he was supposed to be some sort of gun, LOL.

Jhye Clark Pfffffffff. Sorry, didn't mean to make everyone laugh. One of the lowest rated inside midfielders in the entire AFL right now. Thank god Cats have talent banked Mitch Knevitt, hey wait a minute.

Tanner Bruhn - ok this is turning into a tragicomedy post. Broke down just when he was about to break out it seems.

Mullin, Neale, Conway - the list of young spuds is endless. Thank god Lawson "where's he been hiding" Humphries has finally appeared to reinstate false hope to the Cats fans, they were in grave danger of coming to terms with the shocking reality of their list.