Mega Thread The Western Bulldogs - The Sack Macca saga

[Mofra]

This. For all the journalists and posters' sources, nobody has actually been able to provide us with any concrete information about what he did wrong.

I do know Jones was unhappy with how harsh the feedback was during the year - not a one off, multiple occasions.
Perhaps it's the way feedback was delivered to the wider group? The club has all but admitted B-Mac went hard at the end of season.

 

[Dogs 13]

How much would you love to hear what Dale and Murf have to say about all of this. It would have so much credibility.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I do know Jones was unhappy with how harsh the feedback was during the year - not a one off, multiple occasions.
Perhaps it's the way feedback was delivered to the wider group? The club has all but admitted B-Mac went hard at the end of season.

I suppose what we need to gauge is whether the harshness was too harsh, or whether it reflects poorly on the players that have complained.

Macca went harder at Macrae than he ever has at Jones. Jones has never had an extremely public clip where he told the media he was lucky to keep his spot. Did Macrae cry, go into his shell, play shit football and want to move clubs? No - he had a chat to Macca, stood up for himself, worked to improve himself and came out with 40 disposals the next week.

 

[Werewolf]

It's one thing if the coach loses 4 or 5 players, but if that number hits double figures, something's seriously wrong. It's unfortunate, I think Macca had the right ideas and the quality of the drafting in the last 3 years speaks for itself and hopefully Dalrymple knows what to do from now. The players who have held us back will be gone before long, just need to appoint a better coach (you'd have to say the chances of that are 50/50 at least) and we'll be on our way back up. Edit: Ideally I'd like Macca to stay as an assistant, but that won't happen

 

[Ant_]

Macca went harder at Macrae than he ever has at Jones.

You don't know that for sure.

 

[Mofra]

I suppose what we need to gauge is whether the harshness was too harsh, or whether it reflects poorly on the players that have complained.

Macca went harder at Macrae than he ever has at Jones. Jones has never had an extremely public clip where he told the media he was lucky to keep his spot. Did Macrae cry, go into his shell, play shit football and want to move clubs? No - he had a chat to Macca, stood up for himself, worked to improve himself and came out with 40 disposals the next week.

We don't; know that for sure - it's the stuff behind closed doors which is the issue, and by reputation a B-Mac spray is worse than an Eade spray.

 

[Lucky Star]

The most positive outcome of today's debacle would be the closing of this thread.

 

[yebiga]

News out that it was NOT ONLY senior players that are unhappy.

Can't believe the carry on over this coach

Regardless of players that want out he was sh!t in nearly very aspect of his job

Suddenly your running popularity polls
Seriously
Your contribution is cancerous

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

You don't know that for sure.

We don't; know that for sure - it's the stuff behind closed doors which is the issue, and by reputation a B-Mac spray is worse than an Eade spray.

Fair comments and not well expressed by me. My point is that Jones was never hung out to dry in public and mentioned by name as having let the team down; to me that's pretty damn harsh. The professional took it on board and improved himself. Jones didn't seem to be able to do that. So is this a coaching issue or a player issue? The board seem to think it was a coaching issue - but we don't have enough information to know.

 

[peatease]

If he isn't a good coach, like anything performance related he should have been let go, essentially sacked.
Saying he didn't have a good relationship with players is the Administration hiding from their own responsibility.
Not every player likes the coach, but they're professionals. If the dogs were successful we wouldn't be having this conversation.

The displeasure of the players can be taken into account, but doesn't need to be aired out in public. If the coach hired doesn't have the support of the players, tactics sub-par or unsuccessful. Remove them. Cleanly, it's not that difficult.

Not everything runs perfectly and I'm sure if we knew everything that happened behind closed doors, even the most successful coaches wouldn't look as good.

 

[immortalmike]

The whole thing is one giant cluster ****.

Best post in this thread. True too.

 

[timtamWB]

If he isn't a good coach, like anything performance related he should have been let go, essentially sacked.
Saying he didn't have a good relationship with players is the Administration hiding from their own responsibility.
Not every player likes the coach, but they're professionals. If the dogs were successful we wouldn't be having this conversation.

The displeasure of the players can be taken into account, but doesn't need to be aired out in public. If the coach hired doesn't have the support of the players, tactics sub-par or unsuccessful. Remove them. Cleanly, it's not that difficult.

Not everything runs perfectly and I'm sure if we knew everything that happened behind closed doors, even the most successful coaches wouldn't look as good.

On the bolded, that's what happened. Griffen was removed. Look how that worked out.

It's not so clean cut.

 

[immortalmike]

Suddenly your running popularity polls
Seriously
Your contribution is cancerous

Yours hasn't been much better as of late. Time to pull together not call for any more heads.
Grant is looking for another coach as we speak. In Chris we trust.

 

[AFDogs]

I agree with the sentiment that Macca was a good football coach, but not a good man-coach. He knows the game, definitely. Has a knack for talent.

But when it comes to trading players, enticing people to the club, keeping the players happy, that was his doing in. Hopefully he improves that aspect and comes back a better coach.

 

[peatease]

What's done is done, I just hope the admin, coach and players involved learn something from this and come back better.

 

[doggies ftw]

I agree with the sentiment that Macca was a good football coach, but not a good man-coach. He knows the game, definitely. Has a knack for talent.

But when it comes to trading players, enticing people to the club, keeping the players happy, that was his doing in. Hopefully he improves that aspect and comes back a better coach.

I think that was his speciality to be honest, people love listening to him speak and he knows how to get the best out of players. Thing is though he can only get the best out of the people who strive to get the best out of themselves. We kept bringing in good kids who absolutely thrived under Macca, and we would have kept doing that. Like I've said a few times there might be a few causalities along the way (wasn't expecting a casualty like Griffen though to be fair) but what were left with in the end is going to be a large bunch of extremely driven individuals who want success, who live for the club and who make each other better. Who knows what were going to get now thats the problem. Also were going into one of the most important trade/draft periods in the history of this club, and now we don't have a ****ing coach!!! Who knows what our next coaches model is going to be like.

Another thing which just absolutely pisses me off is we categorically said Macca would be there next year, last ****ing week. Now Griff got his panties in a knot and we completely back flip and **** him off straight away. Its just so amateurish its not funny, if these problems are true why didn't we act on it earlier, before our captain lost all the respect he had from our supporter base. If we try to keep him now it just gets worse and worse.

Look maybe Macca wasn't the right man for the job but all we've done now is set ourselves back years and as much as I rated Gordon and co before this, I have no confidence in them to make this right anymore I really dont. What I am confident of though is when we finally do see a bit of success from (hopefully) the next coach, its on the back of Maccas hard work. and he won't get any credit for that. Thanks mate you've done it bloody tough but you are a great man.

Anyway I've probably missed a fair bit as I've been busy all day, just know that Maccas gone and what not. Any important news come out after the presser?

 

[House_of_Dahl]

So what other f*@k up is going to happen tomorrow - Mark Neeld appointed coach?

 

[Bulldogsnm1]

What's done is done, I just hope the admin, coach and players involved learn something from this and come back better.

Yes time to close the thread when Collingwood supporter is the most reasonable person posting.

 

[Leon]

Dear soft arse Western Bulldogs senior players (including that Norf punce Higgins)

Alistair Clarkson. Leigh Matthews. Denis Pagan. Kevin Sheedy. Mick Malthouse.

Do you think these coaches are/were "nice guys"?

Do you think these coaches are/were 'nice' to their players?

Do you think all the players that worked under these coaches have/do like them?

 

[Domma27]

Griffin just confirmed he still wants to go to gws cheers relieved

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Can we please clear up a few things.

The coach resigned. He wasn't pushed out by the board or the fans, and you can argue to the cows come home how much the players had an impact.

He coached teams that finished fourth last, fourth last and fifth last - fact.

Multiple players didn't want to play under him. Fact.

The events of the last few days/weeks showed that he was a poor man manager. Fact.

The last three years showed he was a poor tactical coach. Fact.

I seriously can't see how you guys can defend a bloke who chose of his own accord to leave the club, after it was in his tenure that there were rifts in the players, players quitting, poor tactical coaching, and that "the players controlled them". Well, the players are the ones who, well, play, so why shouldn't they have a say?

 

[immortalmike]

Dear soft arse Western Bulldogs senior players (including that Norf punce Higgins)

Alistair Clarkson. Leigh Matthews. Denis Pagan. Kevin Sheedy. Mick Malthouse.

Do you think these coaches are/were "nice guys"?

Do you think these coaches are/were 'nice' to their players?

Do you think all the players that worked under these coaches have/do like them?

Do you think Rodney Eade was a 'nice guy'?
Get off it and move forward. What has happened has happened.

 

[Clay]

Griffin just confirmed he still wants to go to gws cheers relieved

Source?

e; n/m: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-10/griffen-unmoved-by-macca-resignation?utm_medium=RSS

 

[boydsno1]

Griffin just confirmed he still wants to go to gws cheers relieved

Where?

 

[Mofra]

I agree with the sentiment that Macca was a good football coach, but not a good man-coach. He knows the game, definitely. Has a knack for talent.

But when it comes to trading players, enticing people to the club, keeping the players happy, that was his doing in. Hopefully he improves that aspect and comes back a better coach.

This might well be the case - he can lead the "footyhead" types and that's who we were targeting, but the quiet sensitive types he couldn't connect with.

My fear is that the type of player he couldn't connect with are the type of player that wins flags.

My other fear is that Cam Mooney stated B-mac had 'softened" since his Geelong days. What does that say about our group?