Tigers stalk Maric

[King Elvis]

Why are we even discussing Dangerfield?

We wouldn't trade Dangerfield, and if we did, it'd require a Martin/Cotchin type player; but why would we trade away one of our best, brightest young talents? And why would you?

Maric is the discussion; unless there is a Richmond player who is a certain starter in our side, then I'd say we'd want a pick, not a player.

And considering Porps, Tambling, Smith, Knights, Hendo and Jaensch are still to come in, I doubt there is a player Richmond would be willing to offer us that would fit that brief.

Either give him waht he wants or trade him & No team will give up a 2nd round pick for an uncontracted 2nd tier ruckman that has decided to leave.

.....

We gave one up for an uncontracted 4th choice ruckman in Jacobs...

In a normal draft, a third rounder would be about right - this draft is meant to suck, and is compromised to all buggery; so a second is more realistic.

Nason,white,Connors,Thursfield,Mguanne,Graham would be the names we would be looking to trade/move

You're looking to trade FOR someone.

Doesn't really matter who you're trying to offload; we aren't pursuing a player, you guys are.

 

[ltdamn]

Dont think you will get Nahas as a straight swap for maric im sure we value Nahas more than Maric who really is a stop gap ruckman & cant see him ever becoming even a top 10 ruckman in the league.

Nahas has really had a sensational year this year not only as a goal kicking small foward but has gone into the midfield and really impressed with what he has done.

Edwards is a favourite of hardwicks it seems & is starting 22 there is strong talk that he could get traded but i believe it will be more along the lines of Edwards + pick for somebody like Trengove,Clarke,shuey,Talia,Dangerfield or someone of that ilk

Cant see an Edwards-Maric swap TBH

Nason,white,Connors,Thursfield,Mguanne,Graham would be the names we would be looking to trade/move

You must be on ****ing crack if you think Edwards and a draft pick would get any of those players unless they declared they wanted to go to Melbourne.

Maric may not be one of the top 10 ruckmen in the league but he's a ruckman and a good one, and those are worth twice as any spud midfielder a club is trying to offload for something instead of delisting for nothing.

 

[Tas]

I'd hold on to Maric, i think he could be a late bloomer like Jamar.

 

[dplggr47]

I'd hold on to Maric, i think he could be a late bloomer like Jamar.

no Crows fan wants to trade Maric. he's worth more to us than what we'd receive for him in a trade if he wanted out, so the only way we win in this situation is if he agrees to sign on with AFC. if he wanted out, i'd personally just want a draft pick over any of the players the Richmond fans have been offering, as they'd most likely be playing SANFL anyway.

 

[UpTheGuts]

This week surely will go a fair way to convincing Ivan that it's best to move on. Left out for balance and Jacobs was fantastic - had a fine first year at your club, eh

Whatever, we'll work out a trade, surely. Connors or late second rounder I'd guess. But gee, who knows

 

[THE_GUN]

no Crows fan wants to trade Maric. he's worth more to us than what we'd receive for him in a trade if he wanted out, so the only way we win in this situation is if he agrees to sign on with AFC. if he wanted out, i'd personally just want a draft pick over any of the players the Richmond fans have been offering, as they'd most likely be playing SANFL anyway.

You see this is where people go off and make statements that really dont make things easy to discuss and create tension which leads to arguments then red cards etc etc.

Different players come on in different ways at different clubs and just to pigeon hole all richmond players is not fair.

Port supporters were saying the same thing about both rodan & shultz before being drafted they were shit richmond players that would never be good enough to play for port & would be playing sanfl etc etc

Brisbane also were saying similar things about Andrew Raines before he started playing , Now they all love him and he is the best stopper they have had for years

Dean Polo also another example with StKilda supporters he has played more than 15 games this year for the saints who were a GF team last year ............. He couldnt get a bloody game for the tigers

Adelaide are at exactly the same position as Richmond, what makes you believe that even though your team is desperate for mids & Leg speed that certain players will be playing sanfl footy

If you only looked at what they have achieved rather that what they might be able to do at your club No trades would ever get done

As far as im concerned Maric is not really the type of ruckman we need, He is not the worst & Not the best and I personally di=ont believe he is a huge upgrade to Graham But for me to say he will be playing for coburg would be foolish as your comments are.

Just sign the bloke up and be done with it, It looks like the supporters rate him alot higher than the club doe as you have recruited a 4th string ruckman to replace him last year as 1 previous poster mentioned.

 

[King Elvis]

Adelaide are at exactly the same position as Richmond, what makes you believe that even though your team is desperate for mids & Leg speed that certain players will be playing sanfl footy

We aren't desperate for mids who would struggle to get a game in our side already.

 

[Gets!]

If Maric does have to leave at the end of the year...we should go out of our way to NOT TRADE WITH PORT. Any trade that could potentially strengthen their side is one that we should not be a part of!

 

[cmndstab]

If Maric does have to leave at the end of the year...we should go out of our way to NOT TRADE WITH PORT. Any trade that could potentially strengthen their side is one that we should not be a part of!

What we should do is look for the trade that strengthens us the most. Port are a basket case at the moment anyway, it's not like Maric is going to turn them around.

 

[Gets!]

What we should do is look for the trade that strengthens us the most. Port are a basket case at the moment anyway, it's not like Maric is going to turn them around.

I know, but if it was the difference of just a few numbers later in the draft or something, I would rather take the lesser and not trade with the ferals.

 

[JP Sauce]

What we should do is look for the trade that strengthens us the most. Port are a basket case at the moment anyway, it's not like Maric is going to turn them around.

Exactly. Maric isn't going to save Port. We need to do the best trade for us.

 

[dplggr47]

Exactly. Maric isn't going to save Port. We need to do the best trade for us.

i'm sure if Maric chose Port as his preferred destination, then the club would help him get there.

 

[Stiffy_18]

If you get rid of the names , Dangerfield is also guilty of what you have mentioned !
Not that im for 1 minute saying they are of equal quality
But given they are 22 , only way is up.

There is a massive difference though!

One is a match winner and the other one isn't!

Ruck price is, has been and always will be at a premium. Just take a look at some of the trades for ruckman for the 5 years and you will see what I am talking about. But please while you are doing this please take into the account their ability and for at the time of the trade and not the players they turned into!

At the time, everyone thought Sydney lost their marbles offering 3 year $1million deal and a 2nd round draft pick for Mumford.

Everyone thought that we were seriously overpaying by giving Jacobs 3 year $1million dollar deal and 2nd and 3rd round picks for him.

At the time of the deal, the price has been hefty both in terms of $$$ and trade currency but each team would do it again.

Maric is no where near as bad player as you and many others are making him out to be. It just happens that Jacobs is ahead of him in the pecking order and with the new sub rules, teams are limited in playing 2 genuine ruckman so they like their 2nd ruckman to be a utility types.

Ivan is a bit unlucky that we have Jacobs and Tippett to fill in those roles. Both are better players than Maric but by saying that, its doesn't make Maric any less of a player. Maric has been our #1 ruckman for a number of years prior to this season and has ranked pretty favorably against the rest of the competition in that time! Just because he has better player ahead of him doesn't make him any lesser player.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I know, but if it was the difference of just a few numbers later in the draft or something, I would rather take the lesser and not trade with the ferals.

Didn't the Damon White trade with Port fall thorugh a couple of years ago because they wanted one pick higher in the draft and wouldn't accept any pick less, not even one position lower. Give them nothing.

As for Maric, given the likelihood that Tippett will return home in the next couple of years (trade him now) I will be gutted if our backup ruckman is the woeful Brad Moran and not Maric.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Didn't the Damon White trade with Port fall thorugh a couple of years ago because they wanted one pick higher in the draft and wouldn't accept any pick less, not even one position lower. Give them nothing.

As for Maric, given the likelihood that Tippett will return home in the next couple of years (trade him now) I will be gutted if our backup ruckman is the woeful Brad Moran and not Maric.

I think Moran is gone at this stage and he doesn't have much time to turn it around. I'd think the club would try to ship him around and see if any desperate clubs bite, but I'd wager that he's played his last game of AFL.

If we also lose Maric, which appears to be a genuine proposition, you'd think that we'll look at a mature-age ruckman to provide depth support for Jacobs. Otherwise we'd be a little ****ed if big sauce went down.

 

[cmndstab]

Didn't the Damon White trade with Port fall thorugh a couple of years ago because they wanted one pick higher in the draft and wouldn't accept any pick less, not even one position lower. Give them nothing.

As for Maric, given the likelihood that Tippett will return home in the next couple of years (trade him now) I will be gutted if our backup ruckman is the woeful Brad Moran and not Maric.

I'd be gutted if we chose not to accept a good trade because Tippett admitted to liking his home.

 

[King Elvis]

I think Moran is gone at this stage and he doesn't have much time to turn it around. I'd think the club would try to ship him around and see if any desperate clubs bite, but I'd wager that he's played his last game of AFL.

Not a chance in hell mate...

 

[Mego Red]

You know he said Moran, right?

 

[cammo84]

If we do end up trading Maric and delisting Moran, I dare say James Sellar will get another year on the list as a back-up.

 

[Glenno23]

Not a chance in hell mate...

I tend to agree

GWS will need some bigger bodies that they can get on the cheap. A lot of hacks that would normally be delisted and never seen again will get another chance

 

[THE_GUN]

There is a massive difference though!

One is a match winner and the other one isn't!

Ruck price is, has been and always will be at a premium. Just take a look at some of the trades for ruckman for the 5 years and you will see what I am talking about. But please while you are doing this please take into the account their ability and for at the time of the trade and not the players they turned into!

At the time, everyone thought Sydney lost their marbles offering 3 year $1million deal and a 2nd round draft pick for Mumford.

Everyone thought that we were seriously overpaying by giving Jacobs 3 year $1million dollar deal and 2nd and 3rd round picks for him.

At the time of the deal, the price has been hefty both in terms of $$$ and trade currency but each team would do it again.

Maric is no where near as bad player as you and many others are making him out to be. It just happens that Jacobs is ahead of him in the pecking order and with the new sub rules, teams are limited in playing 2 genuine ruckman so they like their 2nd ruckman to be a utility types.

Ivan is a bit unlucky that we have Jacobs and Tippett to fill in those roles. Both are better players than Maric but by saying that, its doesn't make Maric any less of a player. Maric has been our #1 ruckman for a number of years prior to this season and has ranked pretty favorably against the rest of the competition in that time! Just because he has better player ahead of him doesn't make him any lesser player.

On the contrary, I Remember at the time how smart sydney were to convince mummy to come over and mumford was always seen as a player that would make the grade but was just behind at the time quality ruckman and wouldnt get opportunity at geelong.
Given his age and quality with huge upside the pick wasnt a problem and was seen as about right but the dollars were higher than expected but remember that you need to pay high dollars to get players to sydney.That trade was seen as a good trade.

Jacobs was 3rd / 4th in line at carlton but it was evident that he like mummy was quality and had extremely good performances in the seniors also was dominating VFL, It was also seen as a good trade with the quality big sauce showed and also the age factor.
Again a 2nd round pick for a quality ''YOUNG'' Ruckman that will become top shelf .............. Similar to mumford Very Very Good Trade

Carlton & their supporters were feeling ripped of that they didnt get a 1st rounder for jacobs & rightly so.

The diffrence here is Maric is a totally different kettle of fish,He is not a young up and coming potential star ruckman that could dominate for 8-10 years like the previous 2 players.

He is a middle of the road ruckman that will be a stop gap for 3-4 years untill a younger better ruckman comes along, even adelaide doesnt seem to value his future as they have only offered him min contract ............. Hardly incentive for him to stay & Leaves little trade value in this situation.

His true value is a 3rd round selection, You would be hard pressed to get any other team to part with a 2nd pick specially Richmond or Port who's picks will be early 2nd round.

There has been alot of Edwards Bashing and calling him crap in these threads ................ People really shoild have a good look at his game this year ( he certainly Would be playing in the crows starting 22)

He was againin the best players today ......... Even though he is 1 of the players that would be on the table , I hope he isnt because he is displaying extremely good signs and will come be an extremely good player as the tigers improve.

 

[ManInTheArena]

The diffrence here is Maric is a totally different kettle of fish,He is not a young up and coming potential star ruckman that could dominate for 8-10 years like the previous 2 players.

He is a middle of the road ruckman that will be a stop gap for 3-4 years untill a younger better ruckman comes along, even adelaide doesnt seem to value his future as they have only offered him min contract.

I agree with the first paragraph but the last I'm not so sure, and we will not know until he plays in a different team.

Him and Craig have never got along and I think under a different coach he could surprise a few people. He played pretty well as a backup ruckman under Bickley and over his career he had some outstanding individual performances.

In terms of a contract; the issue for us is that he is behind Jacobs and we have other backup ruckman in McKernan and Tippett who can also cover if Jacobs is injured. Then we have James Craig who we will probably throw another year at to see how he goes in the SANFL uninjured. So Maric could be a good 1st ruckman who we can't fit in our side.

Potentially he will be a good 1st ruckman for another side under a different coach and in a new environment. But then again he could end up a middle of the road, stop gap ruckman, it's a 50/50. Someone will roll the dice (and should) considering the hit rate on drafting rucks.

 

[King Elvis]

You know he said Moran, right?

Sorry, I thought he said Maric

Moran, somebody might pick him up for free, but yea, I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[AFC1990]

GWS anyone?
Will require a trade. Gold Coast did well with Smith but needed fraser as a mature bodied ruck. Not sure of the Giants' big man potential, but would think Maric fits the age criteria etc Sheedy is looking for

 

[KUNG FU]

GWS anyone?
Will require a trade. Gold Coast did well with Smith but needed fraser as a mature bodied ruck. Not sure of the Giants' big man potential, but would think Maric fits the age criteria etc Sheedy is looking for

Giles with Mitch Clark as a foil should prove pretty handy. But I wouldn't rule out another player.