VinnieB
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He needs to lose 7 kg.
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If anything he needs to add a fair bit of muscle to hold his own, still quite small in comparison to other rucks in the comp
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yes muscle. I should have said he needs to shed fat.
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Just needs to build his tank
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Interesting interview from his manager today. Says its his first ever full pre season and he's in the best shape of his career
Also said he's happy at the club but not looking at opening talks any time soon until he can assess his role in the team and how much rival interest there is.
That to me sounds like he's 100% gone unless he has a massive year and Carlton are willing to come to the table with a big contract that will ease the pain of being 1 hour up the road from Geelong each day.
Keen to see how he goes at the start of season if he's as fit as his manager is making out.
Also said he's happy at the club but not looking at opening talks any time soon until he can assess his role in the team and how much rival interest there is.
That to me sounds like he's 100% gone unless he has a massive year and Carlton are willing to come to the table with a big contract that will ease the pain of being 1 hour up the road from Geelong each day.
Keen to see how he goes at the start of season if he's as fit as his manager is making out.
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I take it all back! Trade Cripps! Trade Curnow and Mckay! Give all the money we have to TDK.
And no I'm definitely not overreacting to 1 half of a praccy game
And no I'm definitely not overreacting to 1 half of a praccy game
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He was great, but Collingwood's big man and ruck stocks are lemons.
Let's keep it in perspective
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Would love this kid at the Hawks. Would be a perfect wingman for Mitch Lewis.
Can only dream though…he either stays at the blues or heads down the Highway to play at the cats with his brother.
Can only dream though…he either stays at the blues or heads down the Highway to play at the cats with his brother.
How many rucks can you fit into one side?
I definitely wouldn't be recruiting the guy as a key forward
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He has the potential to be a very good key forward. Loves to fly for the big marks and Can take a contested mark. I see him similar to Peter wright.
Carlton have mcckay and curnow, so he can’t play down forward permanently. He was forced to play ruck last season when pittonet got injured and he struggled due to fitness and size.
With Hawkins coming to the end, he would be a perfect fit for the cats.
I don't see it to be honest. Any time he's been played as a forward he looks a fair way off it for me.
Curnow barely got on the park until last year so it's not like there wasn't a spot there and he played a few games as the 2nd ruck last year and didn't have an impact forward.
I think if you are going to pay a decent price for him you'd want him to play in his best position and I think that will be as a ruckman
If you can get him for the same price that Wright went to Essendon for though, then he's definitely worth a try
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So the bloke came in the same draft as Lloyd meek which was the 2017 draft.
Tom De Koning has played 41 games from 2018-22.
Yep throw 3 1st round picks for him lol
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So he has a solid game vs Freo and his value sky rockets ?
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I've maintained he's worth a late first - early 2nd throughout. This year he could either push to become a top 10 pick valued player or a late 2nd. Depends on how his year goes I was simply highlighting those two games as glimpses of why he's got some buzz around him. It's up to TDK to show whether he can produce that consistently if he wants to a big contract.
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By all means if you want to pay him out the ass go right ahead. ATM he's one of the most inconsistent players in the comp. Yeah, he can produce some big gamers now and then, but he can also get pushed around like a 4th grader in others. Him having his first pre season and finally some continuity will show whether he can bridge that gap this year.
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Im gonna put you and other Blues fans like Kreuuuzeurns and Elmer_Judd and Arr0w on the spot right now.
TDK is out of contract this season, Its his 6th season this year. Would Carlton throw a 2 year extension at him to make him do his 8 years and becomes a free agent?
I doubt that works unfortunately, as clubs are already tabling long term deals, inexcess of 6 years, 5 mil
At this stage, i dont think his output and or lack of consistency warrants those type of offers
Only way he stays at Carlton is taking unders, otherwise the trade cost will mirror any offer
Elmer_Hauser
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I would myself, but I doubt his management would accept it
It would take probably a hefty 4 or 5 year big deal from a rival club to lure him away (which I don't think we can or should match)
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The way I look at it is if he has a breakout season, he's going to be worth a fortune trade wise for whoever's coming after him.
In that case...
If he plays well and stays - good for us
If he plays well and goes - good for us as we get plenty of draft capital to bring in some good role players and fill any remaining gaps on our list.
If he doesn't play well, the market becomes limited, and he likely stays.
Personally, I don't believe you need a dominant ruck to win flags if the rest of your team is up to scratch and I think there's far better options to spend our cap space on than TDK at this stage.
With that said, if you have the luxury of having one in your midst, I think it's fantastic - Gawn a great example of that.
To answer your question though - I would not throw him a 2 year extension for any reason really. This is a make-or-break year for TDK at Carlton as we don't have the luxury of throwing him stupid amounts of money based on potential whereas other clubs do... If he plays to a level that warrants a good contract, we'd look to sign him long term to line up with the others - Curnow, Mckay, Cripps, Walsh etc as he'd probably be the last 'big fish' we could afford to keep with those other large contracts.
So really... I'm not super worried. If he has a big year, it would obviously suck to see him leave as he's been a fan favourite from early on, but overall, I think it would still benefit our list if another club wanted to throw him the big money offer he's probably after and he chose to take it - given the draft picks and cap space we'd receive to go after someone like Harry Himmelberg etc who would likely improve our list dramatically.
With that said he did look tantalizingly good in the practice game this week. Definitely looks primed for a big year.
Id say you a spot on for value.
Almost sounds like a speculative trade. Heaps of potential but not heaps of production.. and the future ..who knows.
Perhaps speculative is not exact or correct word..if speculation is forming an opinion or conjecture without firm evidence. ...then we have 41 games and 5 years in the system to use to form opinions. But what will be the story for the next 5 years plus. If we agree we have enough information to know what TDK upside is ... he has talent but I think you have nailed it. Lots of potential but not a heap of production ...yet. Does TDK become that player once sees glimpse of, that one see the potential of...or does he stay a flash , once in a while frustration. To some degree a version of Stanley. Taken a long while for him to play his best season.
Does Tom get traded on what he has done? Or what he may become. If on what he has done, he is probably a Nankervis type value. I suspect , like in the draft , clubs are always hopeful that they can find a way to get something that other have not. And Tom is only now entering that stage of the right age and experience. I think Carlton would want more than we traded for Stanley.
I think a trade will probably see a club over pay one what he has done... but most trades are gambles to some degree until they are not.
Reasonable views, IMO.
Teams can definitely succeed with role rucks and TDK is still just mostly potential at the moment despite 6 years in the system. Spending 700-800K+ (I suspect offers in that range) on still unproved ruck/forward seems crazy to me considering how many AA players Blues have and have to pay. I also have some doubts about his forward craft and can he really be a good forward.
As a Suns fan I looked at Moyle on Thursday practice and to be honest he looks to me already close to TDK ruck level after only one season (Moyle was the best ruck in VFL). That's the type of rucks Blues should be after if TDK leaves. And keep Pittonet healthy if possible.
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