List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 5

[tigerfan1961]

Where would Green go in the 2022 draft? He’d go number 1. You’d generally need to give up 2 x top-10 picks to get pick 1…. even then it’s likely rejected. I’d happily give up our top-3 picks in 2022 for Green (call it picks 9, 20 and 27). He’s 21yo and a guaranteed midfield jet for a decade. 9, 20 and 27 could be McAsey, McHenry and Himmelberg….


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How on earth do you know 7 months out that he’d go pick 1? Or even top 5? Pick 9 McAsey? I’ll counter that with it could be Vlastuin or Gibcus who both went at that pick. Would you swap them and 1-2 additional picks for Green? I certainly wouldn’t

 

[DeLaCon]

We are going yo have 2 picks in the top 20 this year. Id keep the picks and add to our talent through the draft.

 

[bc27]

I think Taranto will be asking for more then what we could cough up.

And besides that I believe Saints have been linked to him since his draft year.

 

[Morro]

I think Taranto will be asking for more then what we could cough up.

And besides that I believe Saints have been linked to him since his draft year.

Salary or trade wise?

I think he’s cheaper in a trade

 

[smurfin]

I think Taranto will be asking for more then what we could cough up.

And besides that I believe Saints have been linked to him since his draft year.

Saints probably have money in their salary cap.
A lot of their fans aren't too fussed about Hanneberry being unable to get on the fact. He cost them little in picks and they prefer him being overpaid than having to overpay other duds already on their list.
Interesting take.... I'm still filthy on the whole Chris Yarran experience.

 

[tigerblood7]

I think our ‘running rebuild’ is coming along nicely. Starting to get some young kp depth at both ends. Would like to focus on high end draft picks the next two years. Going after mids. I think our backline will be fine. Could do with another KPF but I’m not worrried. If I had to get a player from another club in right now I’d go for green.

 

[bc27]

Salary or trade wise?

I think he’s cheaper in a trade

Salary mainly. But I think GWS will be asking for two firsts for Taranto and our starting point would be our 1st (which could be anywhere in the order) and Kangas 2nd. Which I doubt would get it over the line for us.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Jacob Hopper

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Jacob Hopper

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

9.9

4star

HB

11.1

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.6

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

18.6

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.4

5star

is the value pick. FA next year, 25, 187cm big bodied mid in the Prestia mould. Would cost way less than Green.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

What did the Cats & Eagles give up for Cameron & kelly?
Think thats about the ball park for Green(Contracted)
Wait 12 mnths when he's uncontracted as i see next year as a transition year for the team.
2024 would be a perfect addition.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Thank God some of you guys are not Blair Hartley, mortgaging our draft possibilities on one player. No one player is worth two first round picks imo.
Anyway, each to their own, I’ve given my view which could be wrong if Green turns into the superstar you guys think. I’ll back in the List Manager and recruiters to make the right decision.

I think you blinked and missed it … he’s about 10-games away from being a superstar already.

Whilst draft picks are very important they are always speculative (I’d guess about 20% of top-20 picks turn into genuine A-grade players) so I’m in favour of trading them for known commodities - the important
part is not over paying (Shiel and O’Meara), and not trading for the wrong player (CCJ at North).

Melbourne won a flag on the back of trading multiple prime picks for Lever and May. We won 3 x flags trading multiple picks for Nank, Caddy and Prestia.

You simply can’t equate Tom Green (leading the AFL in multiple midfield stats as a 21yo) with a single unproven top-5 pick. GWS have a bonafide star on the field … they’d laugh at any offer of a single pick on the chance they get another one who is almost certainly not going to be as good as Green given he is tracking to be one of the best mids in the competition.




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[tigerfan1961]

I think you blinked and missed it … he’s about 10-games away from being a superstar already.

Whilst draft picks are very important they are always speculative (I’d guess about 20% of top-20 picks turn into genuine A-grade players) so I’m in favour of trading them for known commodities - the important
part is not over paying (Shiel and O’Meara), and not trading for the wrong player (CCJ at North).

Melbourne won a flag on the back of trading multiple prime picks for Lever and May. We won 3 x flags trading multiple picks for Nank, Caddy and Prestia.

You simply can’t equate Tom Green (leading the AFL in multiple midfield stats as a 21yo) with a single unproven top-5 pick. GWS have a bonafide star on the field … they’d laugh at any offer of a single pick on the chance they get another one who is almost certainly not going to be as good as Green given he is tracking to be one of the best mids in the competition.




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Don’t agree, but that’s your view and you’re entitled to it.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

How about we offer GWS for RCD for Green, after all they owe us for letting Brett Deledio go

 

[guruisatiger]

if demons re sign jackson (despite huge WA interest) someone will spill , reckon could be angus brayshaw, would be a good get i reckon. is he FA

Yes he is a FA

 

[guruisatiger]

But he has a dumb helmet

He would be the new HAMLET

 

[Morro]

Don’t agree, but that’s your view and you’re entitled to it.

Imagine posters being entitled to their own opinion and that being ok. What a world that would be

 

[Morro]

Salary mainly. But I think GWS will be asking for two firsts for Taranto and our starting point would be our 1st (which could be anywhere in the order) and Kangas 2nd. Which I doubt would get it over the line for us.

It’s the salary as to why I think he gets let go.

Being out of contract and his salary should theoretically make him more attainable from GWS but I guess we will see.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Thank God some of you guys are not Blair Hartley, mortgaging our draft possibilities on one player. No one player is worth two first round picks imo.
Anyway, each to their own, I’ve given my view which could be wrong if Green turns into the superstar you guys think. I’ll back in the List Manager and recruiters to make the right decision.

If the part of your post I have bolded is what you are basing your assessment on then I can see how you arrived at your position. It is just that bolded part as you have stated it is impossible to agree with. Strictly interpreted that says pick 17 & 18 are not worth peak Dusty or peak Rance or peak Petracca or whoever. Sam Walsh, Max King etc etc these guys are all clearly worth a lot more than picks 17 & 18 in an open market situation. So for what you are saying to be right, you need to whole market to be misunderstanding the value of gun players versus draft picks, and you being just about the only person who understands it correctly. I mean this with respect, but the likelihood of that being correct, your blanket statement being right and the accumulated wisdom of 100 or more full time AFL recruiting/list management guys not understanding the value of gun players v draft picks correctly….how likely is that to be right do you think?

 

[guruisatiger]

What's with the potting of cotch of late.
(Nevermind.Seen what you meant)

Goshka and I are just young GUNslingers shooting from the hip

Better to shoot from the lip

 

[guruisatiger]

Is anyone watching the Giants-Suns game? GWS have this young fella, Tim Breen I think his name is. Contested ball beast, goes forward and kicks a goal too so he's versatile. I heard he comes from a family of ruckmen so he might even be able to play there.

Just thought I'd throw his name out there. They say he's from Canberra though, so I'm not sure why he'd have any interest in coming to Richmond.

Any relationship to Barry?

 

[All Aust]

Is anyone watching the Giants-Suns game? GWS have this young fella, Tim Breen I think his name is. Contested ball beast, goes forward and kicks a goal too so he's versatile. I heard he comes from a family of ruckmen so he might even be able to play there.

Just thought I'd throw his name out there. They say he's from Canberra though, so I'm not sure why he'd have any interest in coming to Richmond.

Ah, Another player potentially eating into midfield contested ball time... I LIKE THA BOY!!!

Now we have the HUN clickbait and the plastics working to get Tommy G to the Tiges. The train is a rollin'.

 

[tigs2010]

Any relationship to Barry?

Grandson

 

[guruisatiger]

Why did you get banned? Trolling Essendon I hope…

Come back as “The Pistol” for me

Name Turk d Turk

 

[guruisatiger]

Jack Ginnivan anyone?

Not with that haircut, looks like that tosser from the drug cheets

 

[tigs2010]

Not with that haircut, looks like that tosser from the drug cheets

Matt Guelfi is pretty versatile. He can spud it up anywhere maybe we should target him

 

[All Aust]

Imagine posters being entitled to their own opinion and that being ok. What a world that would be

’d say it was for making up the 9 clangers stat for street cred.

Could also be for sexual harassment, although personally I’m ok with it.

Could also be cos I still have ancient mod powers.

Let's guess that there would be fewer arguments, followed by only one poster get's a days rest?