List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 6

[tiger_tough]

Lynch???. I bloody hope not!!!

Oops

 

[Muddiemoose]

I could imagine someone would have a decent crack , he’s loads better than Luke Jackson and he had 800 plus x 5 thrown at him , has started the season well Balta , we won’t be signing him for peanuts , confident he stays tho

Probably have a few suitors but the difference re Jackson was the go home factor seeing as he is a WA boy so it’s an extra factor influencing his decision

When was the last time a player signed with a rival in the same state with money being the deciding factor in the decision to stay or go?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Probably have a few suitors but the difference re Jackson was the go home factor seeing as he is a WA boy so it’s an extra factor influencing his decision

When was the last time a player signed with a rival in the same state with money being the deciding factor in the decision to stay or go?

Butler, Higgins, Tarrant just to name 3 our club was involved in. People will say Butler and Higgins left for "opportunities" but they would have got bigger offers from the Saints than we were prepared to give them. So "opportunities" is often a euphemism for more money. Tarrant got a 2 year deal from us where North were only prepared to offer a 1 year deal. So he probably has $900k on the table from us and $500k from North.

I am sure if we looked into loads of deals money has played a major part even if it is not the sole and obvious reason.

 

[Bojangles17]

Probably have a few suitors but the difference re Jackson was the go home factor seeing as he is a WA boy so it’s an extra factor influencing his decision

When was the last time a player signed with a rival in the same state with money being the deciding factor in the decision to stay or go?

Prob ollie Henry but even that had a local factor

 

[Muddiemoose]

Butler, Higgins, Tarrant just to name 3 our club was involved in. People will say Butler and Higgins left for "opportunities" but they would have got bigger offers from the Saints than we were prepared to give them. So "opportunities" is often a euphemism for more money. Tarrant got a 2 year deal from us where North were only prepared to offer a 1 year deal. So he probably has $900k on the table from us and $500k from North.

I am sure if we looked into loads of deals money has played a major part even if it is not the sole and obvious reason.

Don’t think money was a factor in any of those moves at all
Higgins went to the saints because of his old man pulling the strings on his career and being a saint high profile member

Butler was opportunity (he only played 7 games in his last year with us)
and Tarrant wanted to play finals north would have cap space for days and could of paid him whatever he wanted

The money difference between what we or any other suitor would offer would be negligible and opportunity isn’t a factor nor is playing finals/go home

They are the only reasons players move clubs

 

[Bojangles17]

Butler, Higgins, Tarrant just to name 3 our club was involved in. People will say Butler and Higgins left for "opportunities" but they would have got bigger offers from the Saints than we were prepared to give them. So "opportunities" is often a euphemism for more money. Tarrant got a 2 year deal from us where North were only prepared to offer a 1 year deal. So he probably has $900k on the table from us and $500k from North.

I am sure if we looked into loads of deals money has played a major part even if it is not the sole and obvious reason.

Main motivator for higg and butler were opportunities, both played <12 games in final year , with butler I dont believe we even offered him a contract ,,,completely diff circumstances to Balta ,,,even Ollie henry was on outer too

 

[Ctl]

Damo on Footy Classified just said West Coast are chasing Broad

 

[Muddiemoose]

Main motivator for higg and butler were opportunities, both played <12 games in final year , with butler I dont believe we even offered him a contract ,,,completely diff circumstances to Balta ,,,even Ollie henry was on outer too

Agree mate
No doubt clubs will kick his tyres and will mean we need to pay up but that’s to be expected because he is a young key position player

I expect he will sign on a healthy deal that will see him into free agency
Seems to be what most players do these days under advice from management in order to maximise that juicy free agency contract opportunities

 

[LTT]

Yeah that's a stumbling block.

They would get a better compensation pick than any trade offer

 

[Muddiemoose]

Damo on Footy Classified just said West Coast are chasing Broad

Wouldn’t be completely shocked if he made the move
His mrs is originally from WA as well

Makes Gibcus and Brown a lot more important in terms of how our list looks

 

[tigerfan1961]

Wouldn’t be completely shocked if he made the move
His mrs is originally from WA as well

Makes Gibcus and Brown a lot more important in terms of how our list looks

Irks me they now chase him but they could easily have drafted him when we did. Piss off Eagles. Love Broady in the side, so crucial to how we play imo.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

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Damo on Footy Classified just said West Coast are chasing Broad

I actually wouldnt hold it against players like Broad or McIntosh leaving to cash in on their careers
Both have been great servants and wouldnt have been highly paid and if an opportunity to make extra xash rolled up then good luck to them similar to Brandon Ellis situation.

2024 we will have enough depth to cover their spots and both getting older with Macca 29 & Broad 30

 

[prodigy]

Damo on Footy Classified just said West Coast are chasing Broad

The video for those interested

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Don’t think money was a factor in any of those moves at all
Higgins went to the saints because of his old man pulling the strings on his career and being a saint high profile member

Butler was opportunity (he only played 7 games in his last year with us)
and Tarrant wanted to play finals north would have cap space for days and could of paid him whatever he wanted

The money difference between what we or any other suitor would offer would be negligible and opportunity isn’t a factor nor is playing finals/go home

They are the only reasons players move clubs

So between all the following player moves you don't think any moved for more money than their previous club was prepared to offer them?

Saad Bombers to Blues
Pittonet Hawks to Blues
Fogarty Cats to Blues
Young Bulldogs to Blues
Howe Demons to Pies
Lipinski Bulldogs to Pies
Kreuger Cats to Pies
Stringer Bulldogs to Bombers
Hind Saints to Bombers
Weideman Demons to Bombers
Setterfield Blues to Bombers

I could go through all Vic club lists but you get the picture. If Demons offer Weideman $350k x 2 years to stay and Bombers offer him $450k x 2 years to go, wouldn't he qualify as leaving for more money? Not that I am saying that is exactly what happened in the Weideman case, but to my understanding this sort of thing occurs all the time. A player is simply worth more to a new club than they are worth to their existing club so they convince the player to move and a large part of the inducement is some extra coin. Naturally if Weideman is worth more to Essendon this comes with concomitant extra AFL team opportunities, because that is why he is worth more to Bombers than Melbourne, ie Bombers have a shortage of that type of player, and Melbourne have a surplus. But if Melbourne offers $350k and makes it known they really want Weideman to stay, and Bombers offer $350k to go there, does Weideman go or stay? We cannot know the answer to that but it has to be the case extra money is playing a big part in many of these players' decisions to change clubs, surely?

 

[Muddiemoose]

So between all the following player moves you don't think any moved for more money than their previous club was prepared to offer them?

Saad Bombers to Blues
Pittonet Hawks to Blues
Fogarty Cats to Blues
Young Bulldogs to Blues
Howe Demons to Pies
Lipinski Bulldogs to Pies
Kreuger Cats to Pies
Stringer Bulldogs to Bombers
Hind Saints to Bombers
Weideman Demons to Bombers
Setterfield Blues to Bombers

I could go through all Vic club lists but you get the picture. If Demons offer Weideman $350k x 2 years to stay and Bombers offer him $450k x 2 years to go, wouldn't he qualify as leaving for more money? Not that I am saying that is exactly what happened in the Weideman case, but to my understanding this sort of thing occurs all the time. A player is simply worth more to a new club than they are worth to their existing club so they convince the player to move and a large part of the inducement is some extra coin. Naturally if Weideman is worth more to Essendon this comes with concomitant extra AFL team opportunities, because that is why he is worth more to Bombers than Melbourne, ie Bombers have a shortage of that type of player, and Melbourne have a surplus. But if Melbourne offers $350k and makes it known they really want Weideman to stay, and Bombers offer $350k to go there, does Weideman go or stay? We cannot know the answer to that but it has to be the case extra money is playing a big part in many of these players' decisions to change clubs, surely?

Barr Saad and Stringer that had well documented other reasons for leaving the clubs they were at

Every single one of those players are depth players that weren’t best 22 at afl level at the club they left

 

[Meteoric Rise]

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I actually wouldnt hold it against players like Broad or McIntosh leaving to cash in on their careers
Both have been great servants and wouldnt have been highly paid and if an opportunity to make extra xash rolled up then good luck to them similar to Brandon Ellis situation.

2024 we will have enough depth to cover their spots and both getting older with Macca 29 & Broad 30

Broad would be a loss. He has that rare mixture of being tall, a great runner and a fully committed player - who has really improved his disposal over time at the top level. As a Free Agent, I am guessing Eagles might offer $400-450k x 3 years or something like that to entice him home to Perth. I doubt we get any valuable compo out of that, maybe a pick in the 50's. I guess for Richmond it clears some cap space, opens up a position for the likes of Tom Brown to try to nail down, and gives us a pick that may form part of a trade or we take it to the draft and have a crack with it. Part of the reason Eagles may be interested is he was a late starter at AFL level who hasn't had too many serious injuries, so they might figure he can play usefully well into his 30's. But if all that is true then he is definitely a loss for us.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Broad would be a loss. He has that rare mixture of being tall, a great runner and a fully committed player - who has really improved his disposal over time at the top level. As a Free Agent, I am guessing Eagles might offer $400-450k x 3 years or something like that to entice him home to Perth. I doubt we get any valuable compo out of that, maybe a pick in the 50's. I guess for Richmond it clears some cap space, opens up a position for the likes of Tom Brown to try to nail down, and gives us a pick that may form part of a trade or we take it to the draft and have a crack with it. Part of the reason Eagles may be interested is he was a late starter at AFL level who hasn't had too many serious injuries, so they might figure he can play usefully well into his 30's. But if all that is true then he is definitely a loss for us.

He would be a loss but a loss we can cover next year with players like brown , Gibcus , Young , Balta and also Biggy showing improvement in various roles
I also believe we have a hidden player in Luke Teal in the vfl which we are keeping a close eye on and Mutaz El Nour is another player we will be watching

I think Richmond wouldnt mind shedding some cap space with players like Broad to go all out for a KPF in 1-2 years time

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Barr Saad and Stringer that had well documented other reasons for leaving the clubs they were at

Every single one of those players are depth players that weren’t best 22 at afl level at the club they left

Ah ok, your post I initially responded to didn't have this stipulation about the players being best 22 at the original club. But I guess if a player is best 22 at one club he is normally of roughly equal value to both that club and another club trying to recruit him as a best 22 player. So mostly you won't get substantially bigger offers in these cases.

Sam Frost Demons to Hawks - he was best 22 at Melbourne when he left, surely he received a better contract offer from Hawks than Melbourne were prepared to offer?

Lachie Hunter Bulldogs to Demons. Best 22. He surely got a better off from Melbourne than Bulldogs were prepared to make?

Zaine Cordy was much more in Bulldogs best 22 than not over a 6 year period before moving to Saints for 2023. He surely got offered more by the Saints than Bulldogs were prepared to pay.

Liam Jones Blues to Dogs.

Bruce Saints to Dogs.

It does happen.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

He would be a loss but a loss we can cover next year with players like brown , Gibcus , Young , Balta and also Biggy showing improvement in various roles
I also believe we have a hidden player in Luke Teal in the vfl which we are keeping a close eye on and Mutaz El Nour is another player we will be watching

I think Richmond wouldnt mind shedding some cap space with players like Broad to go all out for a KPF in 1-2 years time

I always think Broad brings things that are tough to replicate. Of course you don't have to exactly replicate one player with another to be as good or better team. A new player can bring different strengths that may prove of at least equal value. I just find Broad a really reassuring presence in our team.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

I always think Broad brings things that are tough to replicate. Of course you don't have to exactly replicate one player with another to be as good or better team. A new player can bring different strengths that may prove of at least equal value. I just find Broad a really reassuring presence in our team.

Yes but he will be turning 30 and possibly still has 2 years but wouldnt be a bad time to give opportunity to the younger kids

 

[tiger_tough]

He would be a loss but a loss we can cover next year with players like brown , Gibcus , Young , Balta and also Biggy showing improvement in various roles
I also believe we have a hidden player in Luke Teal in the vfl which we are keeping a close eye on and Mutaz El Nour is another player we will be watching

I think Richmond wouldnt mind shedding some cap space with players like Broad to go all out for a KPF in 1-2 years time

Teal sure is hidden, he hasn't even played VFL.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Teal sure is hidden, he hasn't even played VFL.

He is playing tac

 

[tiger_tough]

He is playing tac

An over ager? That's not very well hidden then.

 

[tunksy]

Would hate to lose broad tbh. He’s become super reliable a developed his game over the years. If grimes retires he’s perfect to take over any role in the backline.

Would love to get to 100 plus games.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Would hate to lose broad tbh. He’s become super reliable a developed his game over the years. If grimes retires he’s perfect to take over any role in the backline.

Would love to get to 100 plus games.

Broad has played 109 games already.