List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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RJK Tiger said:
I was really hoping we could sneak into the 8, or at least finish top 10 to stop the Hopper trade being a absolute disaster, but its really looking likely we just gave up pick 5 & 25 + $5,000,000 for a midfielder that looks pretty 2nd tier. Even when he gets a lot of it, he doesn't feel like he impacts winning in the significant way.

Might be the worst trade we have made in my tiger lifetime of 38 years, can't think of a worse one atm
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Didn't Collingwood future trade what turned into pick 2 to GWS? They were just lucky daicos was a father son. Anyway it is what it is, warning on future trades!
 
RJK Tiger said:
I never thought i would say it, but i think i could be ok with Vlaustin moving on as well if it got a first rounder. He is still a great player, but shown signs of decline as well. I thought he was going to be the guy who took over the "General" role down back, but it doesn't look to be.

If we moved him on tho, i think we would be bottom 3 very quickly. I think without him or a competent Grimes, the backline will be destroyed. We would be committing to a lot of big losses moving Vloss on
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That is the lot of young teams though, lots of lessons to be learnt. Our young players on the way up are about as useful as our older players on the way down. Only thing is working out which of our young players will make it so er can pump games into them
 

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tunksy said:
They’d need to cough up a first rounder so unlikely I’d guess.

Probably would take a top 5 pick in exchange we’ll pay his salary. Given we are unlikely to contend next year.
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I don't think they'd have a problem giving us their first, provided they got some later picks back for points.
 
Our list demographic is pretty alright, nost players are 27 or under,aside from reiwoldt, cotchin, pickett,grimes, Martin, broad, lynch, prestia, McIntosh, vlastuin. The problem is that whilst we have lots of younger players they have a lot of question marks on whether they make it. So retire an older bloke or delist the younger bloke? Or both?
 
Bullet dodged on Himmelberg imo.

Handy player, but a lesser defender than say Nathan Broad, who despite repeatedly standing up in big games over a number of years, would never have got $4.5M over 6 years in a top team.
 
Daka said:
We have no top picks so the only way we get out of this and improve is through smart trading of players from other top teams not getting a game.
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Or just wait a year and not just try and get players for the sake of making a move and potentially end up with under performing cloggers that just mean we lose another spot in the 22 for kids who should already be getting games
 
My thinking is the club will be less worried about bringing in someone who can kick goals, and more concerned about finding a forward who won't be outmarked and can take contested marks themself.

With not much on offer this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see us go down the Moneyball path with someone like the often rumoured Koschitzke, or even Hayden McLean who is very good in the air, but doesn't hit the scoreboard a lot.
 
Daka said:
We have no top picks so the only way we get out of this and improve is through smart trading of players from other top teams not getting a game.
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If we gave pick 5 away for hopper then we still have pick 23 ,with bids about 25,so still a good pick.
 
RJK Tiger said:
I was really hoping we could sneak into the 8, or at least finish top 10 to stop the Hopper trade being a absolute disaster, but its really looking likely we just gave up pick 5 & 25 + $5,000,000 for a midfielder that looks pretty 2nd tier. Even when he gets a lot of it, he doesn't feel like he impacts winning in the significant way.

Might be the worst trade we have made in my tiger lifetime of 38 years, can't think of a worse one atm
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The Chris Yarran trade was way worse. Hopper trade isn’t really a bad trade. Yes we probably will be paying overs, but nothing like the Yarran one.
 

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LTT said:
I was disappointed we didn’t take a chance on him. Instead we kept Tarrant on our list
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No one will ever take 3 msd picks cos come list lodgement time you need to have 3 rookie spots available and it probably means you don't participate in the actual rookie draft where you're far more likely to find a player.
 
Matt crouch has been dominant the last few weeks. Could've had him for nothing.
 
Muddiemoose said:
Or just wait a year and not just try and get players for the sake of making a move and potentially end up with under performing cloggers that just mean we lose another spot in the 22 for kids who should already be getting games
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I like the idea of holding fire and seeing how we go for a year under the new coach. It's likely that we're in the bottom half of the ladder which would mean a top 10 pick, while we also get a good look at those kids who we've stockpiled over the last few years, but haven't quite got their chance just yet. It would mean that we'd have a much clearer idea of just where our list is at and we can then make the necessary moves.
 
Lsta062 said:
The Chris Yarran trade was way worse. Hopper trade isn’t really a bad trade. Yes we probably will be paying overs, but nothing like the Yarran one.
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Yarran was a bad trade, but I would rather the Yarran trade to this one.

Yarran cost us pick 19, but i think we were able to negotiate a pretty good buyout on his contract & "the problem" moved on relatively fast. And i don;t think the Yarran trade hurted us at all, as we won the premiership the next season he was released, its hard to actually say that trade "hurt us", a the proceeding results showed it didn;t

It's the possibility of losing pick 5 for Hopper that kills me. Essentially from what i can see, he is probably worth the 2nd rounder + another 2nd rounder - or a pick in the late teens. To over reach bascially 300cents on the dollar and have to give up a $5m/7year contract - the pain is going to hurt for a long, long time potentially. It's easy to shrug off bad trades when you win 3 out of the next 5 flags immediately after it.

We just have to hope that the draft is shit and instead of us giving up a Selwood or a Dusty, we just gave up a Farran Ray or Graham Polak. But yep, agree Yarran was a shocker, had actually forgotten about it as he never played.
 
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Lsta062 said:
The Chris Yarran trade was way worse. Hopper trade isn’t really a bad trade. Yes we probably will be paying overs, but nothing like the Yarran one.
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Yes Chris Yarran was way worse. Didn't get a single game out of him, can't get worse than that. But there is no 'probably overs' if it turns out Hopper cost us 5 and 31.

I know it's an inexact science and yes there are always fathers and sons bids corrupting the system, but if you added up the bidding points of those two picks you effectively get a pick 2. Pick 2 for for a player of his abilities and his age is a terrible trade.

Anyhow remember the sales pitch to all those who felt uncomfortable about this trade, 'don't worry with Taranto and Hopper we're top four certs or there about. He'll only be costing us a pick 13 or 14 at very worst.

Anyhow what's done is done, for his age and his abilities, the Taranto trade was impossible to argue against it, but the Hopper one had red flags all over. You can only hope in future we learn from this mistake.
 
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Tygrys said:
Yes Chris Yarran was way worse. Didn't get a single game out of him, can't get worse than that. But there is no 'probably overs' if it turns out Hopper cost us 5 and 31.

I know it's an inexact science and yes there are always fathers and sons bids corrupting the system, but if you added up the bidding the points of those two picks you effectively get a pick 2. Pick 2 for for a player of his abilities and his age is a terrible trade.

Anyhow remember the sales pitch to all those who felt uncomfortable about this trade, 'don't worry with Taranto and Hopper we're top four certs or there about. He'll only be costing us a pick 13 or 14 at very worst.

Anyhow what's done is done, for his age and his abilities, the Taranto trade was impossible to argue against it, but the Hopper one had red flags all over. You can only hope in future we learn from this mistake.
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Craig Biddiscome trade was truly overs.

Pick 8 to Geelong in 1998
 
Tygrys said:
Yes Chris Yarran was way worse. Didn't get a single game out of him, can't get worse than that. But there is no 'probably overs' if it turns out Hopper cost us 5 and 31.

I know it's an inexact science and yes there are always fathers and sons bids corrupting the system, but if you added up the bidding the points of those two picks you effectively get a pick 2. Pick 2 for for a player of his abilities and his age is a terrible trade.

Anyhow remember the sales pitch to all those who felt uncomfortable about this trade, 'don't worry with Taranto and Hopper we're top four certs or there about. He'll only be costing us a pick 13 or 14 at very worst.

Anyhow what's done is done, for his age and his abilities, the Taranto trade was impossible to argue against it, but the Hopper one had red flags all over. You can only hope in future we learn from this mistake.
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The mistake wasn’t the Hopper trade. The mistake was not knowing what that first pick would be. Pick 14-16 would be fine.

It’s often said, you need to know where your list is at. This is a further demonstration of that.

Who would have predicted where we sunk to in ‘16 and ‘21? It’s hard to know.

Maybe the solution to all this is don’t give away future first round picks. They’re too important to your future and also the psyche of your club. After a bad year it’s uplifting to get a Naitanui through the door or, in our case, Gibcus. It gives hope.
 
I hope im wrong, but i reckon Dusty will be at Gold Coast next year courtesy of the AFL
Tygrys said:
Yes Chris Yarran was way worse. Didn't get a single game out of him, can't get worse than that. But there is no 'probably overs' if it turns out Hopper cost us 5 and 31.

I know it's an inexact science and yes there are always fathers and sons bids corrupting the system, but if you added up the bidding the points of those two picks you effectively get a pick 2. Pick 2 for for a player of his abilities and his age is a terrible trade.

Anyhow remember the sales pitch to all those who felt uncomfortable about this trade, 'don't worry with Taranto and Hopper we're top four certs or there about. He'll only be costing us a pick 13 or 14 at very worst.

Anyhow what's done is done, for his age and his abilities, the Taranto trade was impossible to argue against it, but the Hopper one had red flags all over. You can only hope in future we learn from this mistake.
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Are you serious?

how could you say it was worse when we went from 15th to s flag 12 months later? You have to judge things on RESULTS OF THE CLUB - not the player.


Would you say trading pick 19, which ended up being David Cunningham for Carlton (from memory) will be worse than us, say, trading Clayton Oliver/Darcy Parish & Josh Dunkley? As those are the 2 players in that same draft we comparatively just gave up for Hopper?

This Hopper trade will 100% HURT this club far more than the Yarran trade, especially if pick 5 ends up being a gun. Trades are mainly judged on where the best player lands - in the Yarran Trade, literally both teams got nothing out of it . Yarran played zero games for us & Cunningham played 25 games over 5 years and provided no real highlights. It was a bad trade that essentially gained and lost everyone.....nothing
You can laugh at me if you like, but when the smoke settles of this burnt out desperate trade, you wont be laughing. The results will dictate how bad it is & time will tell. Let it be known though, i will be here to let you know either way
 
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