List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[juss]

Wing is the last position to play him. This isn't the 90's where wingman tear games apart with their run and carry streaming into goal like Peter Matera. You either play him forward for his pressure and creative play in confined spaces or use him off the half back for his run and carry.

Fair point, half back it is then cause he isn't a good forward.

 

[ms3]

Right, so should we rate him on numbers from years ago when often as not he's playing second fiddle or with really limited game time, or the most recent time he had the #1 role to himself - against Melbourne?

I would have thought the answer was pretty obvious.

128 is elite ruck territory by anyone's definition. Most especially against Gawn with Melbourne's finals on the line.

Gawn has only averaged over 128 for a season twice in his career, one of those at 128.4.

Soldo played a lot of games on his own in 2019 and I’m just using that because it was his best (but still average) year for the club. Oh come on, Gawn was best on ground against us in the second game this year where you said Soldo was so fantastic… he absolutely smoked Soldo! Attached coaches votes and stats from that game. Throw in 3 brownlow votes too

 

[Rayzorwire]

Soldo played a lot of games on his own in 2019 and I’m just using that because it was his best (but still average) year for the club. Oh come on, Gawn was best on ground against us in the second game this year where you said Soldo was so fantastic… he absolutely smoked Soldo! Attached coaches votes and stats from that game. Throw in 3 brownlow votes too View attachment 1840275View attachment 1840276View attachment 1840281

Soldo was nearly 10 ranking points ahead of Gawn from less game time when he went to the bench for the final time in the 4Q. He certainly didn't have any control over what Gawn scored after that point rucking against Miller/Pickett/Balta as he went on to win them the game while Soldo sat on the pine.

Not one thing you've written begins to disprove the fact that the last game Soldo played as a #1 ruck, against a player ranked top-3 if not #1 ruck in the game, his match rating was at the very high end of elite.

Somehow, I don't expect you'll do any better at your third crack.

 

[ms3]

Soldo was nearly 10 ranking points ahead of Gawn from less game time when he went to the bench for the final time in the 4Q. He certainly didn't have any control over what Gawn scored after that point rucking against Miller/Pickett/Balta as he went on to win them the game while Soldo sat on the pine.

Not one thing you've written begins to disprove the fact that the last game Soldo played as a #1 ruck, against a player ranked top-3 if not #1 ruck in the game, his match rating was at the very high end of elite.

Somehow, I don't expect you'll do any better at your third crack.

Hahah ok keep being delusional. I’ll go by the facts - Gawn absolutely destroyed Soldo.

 

[_RT_]

All the reporting has been that Soldo left to get a first ruck position - i.e. Nank has our #1 role sewn up in perpetuity - so I'm struggling to see how you figure we offered Soldo the role and he rejected it from what has been said publicly.

Maybe I missed something?

Yes he left to take up a number 1 ruck role, however it doesn't mean that we didn't tell Soldo that the number 1 ruck role with us is there for the taking if he is willing to fight for it, which is what I was suggesting.

"2nd string" rucks don't post the numbers of elite #1 rucks - Soldo does.

Soldo is a mid level ruck, he can win his fair share of hitouts and hitouts to advantage, but when it comes to how the ruck position is played in the game today, he simply doesn't stack up with the game premier rucks.

Most of the rest of the comp consider him a #1 ruck and at least half a dozen clubs have made trade offers for him as such over the years.

The thing that really shits me about this 'market value' farce, is that ruck is the only position on the ground where you can play the kind of blindingly obvious elite game of football that Soldo did in the last example we have to measure him by (against Gawn where his game rated 128, which as you know, is well above average for #1 rucks, let alone "2nd string" rucks), and yet get traded for chump change only weeks later.

That game is every bit comparable to kicking 5-6 toughly contested goals on Steven May in the same season defining contest.

That game is every bit comparable to having 30 disposals and a dozen clearances on Petracca in the same season defining contest.

We wouldn't give away a prime age KPF or mid who just did those things for chump change, those positions are way easier to find viable candidates for than finding a genuine #1 ruck in the current market, so to me it is utterly illogical that Soldo has such little value in comparison.

Just because enough people come to a consensus about the worth of something, doesn't make it logical, correct, or right.

Soldos game against Gawn where he scored 128 Supercoach points for the game is well above his season average of 86.9 and to put it further into perspective, the games best ruckman in 2023, Tim English, averaged 128 points a game for the whole season and surpasses Soldo in every possible statistical category that is important to rucks.

Now before you say but Soldo was sharing time with Nankervis, the reason that happened is because Soldo on his own wasn't capable of matching it with the more athletic types who don't just win hitouts but also have a major influence in general play as well.

As for his trade value, we ended up with 2 x R2 picks and an extra R4 pick for a player who if he left in free agency next year would probably net us at best a R2 pick after our own R2 pick but more than likely an end of R2 pick. So we extracted the maximum possible value out of the situation.

I don't think anyone forgets that Nank has been injured as often as he has, nor how incredible he has been at bouncing back from them, nor how competitive he is when statistically compared to his peers.

The fact is we are way too reliant on him, every game, every season. Whether we win, lose or draw, has been more down to how Nank plays than any half a dozen (could argue dozen) of the 21 other players for a long time. It's not a good scenario for a club to be that utterly reliant on one player, especially not an ageing, injury and suspension prone one.

Soldo was our best chance to reshape that narrative, now we're hardwired for another few seasons of same old same old. The rest of the comp worked our midfield out long ago and without Soldo I can't see there's much Yze and the new group can do to alter our trajectory.

Despite his injury issues Nankervis has shown over his 7 seasons with us that he can match it with the games best rucks not just in hitouts but also in the around the ground areas that Soldo simply doesn't. That is why he has held the number 1 role, even when Soldo was fit and healthy Nankervis was still the number 1 choice with Soldo playing 2nd fiddle.

In Samson Ryan we have the type of athletic mobile ruck that the game is designed for and now he will get the opportunity to fast track his development so that in 12-18 months he should be in position to take over the number 1 role from Nankervis and the benefit with Ryan is that it won't just be for a couple of seasons like is would have been with Soldo, but for a good 7-10 years given Ryan is just turning 23 this off season, whereas Soldo is 28 mid next season and as I've said just doesn't have the athleticism to be a complete elite level AFL ruck. Samson may or may not reach that level either, but he at least has the attributes that give him a good chance to do so if he works hard enough.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Hahah ok keep being delusional. I’ll go by the facts - Gawn absolutely destroyed Soldo.

The mock then avoid discussion of everything that proves you wrong is certainly a great way to contribute.

May as well throw you on ignore early in the piece...

 

[ms3]

The mock then avoid discussion of everything that proves you wrong is certainly a great way to contribute.

May as well throw you on ignore early in the piece...

Avoid discussion? Prove I’m wrong? I showed you how Gawn was BOG against us in the game you thought Soldo was so fantastic based simply on SC! Soldo is NOT elite. He’s bang on average and I’m sure we’ll find out next year.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Yes he left to take up a number 1 ruck role, however it doesn't mean that we didn't tell Soldo that the number 1 ruck role with us is there for the taking if he is willing to fight for it, which is what I was suggesting.

OK, so was Nank going to play VFL or start on the bench every week and play 50% game time while Soldo took the #1 slot?

You really think the club said that could happen?

Soldo is a mid level ruck, he can win his fair share of hitouts and hitouts to advantage, but when it comes to how the ruck position is played in the game today, he simply doesn't stack up with the game premier rucks.

Soldos game against Gawn where he scored 128 Supercoach points for the game is well above his season average of 86.9 and to put it further into perspective, the games best ruckman in 2023, Tim English, averaged 128 points a game for the whole season and surpasses Soldo in every possible statistical category that is important to rucks.

Come on mate, you know that averaging out games where he was managed coming back from injury and got SFA game time with Nank taking the #1 role is not an honest way to measure the man's season.

That game he was properly fit, had the #1 slot to himself and played against the best going around.

It's the ultimate measuring stick and he more than measured up.

It was an elite performance. Why is it so hard for so many people to acknowledge that simple fact?

 

[Profop]

All the reporting has been that Soldo left to get a first ruck position - i.e. Nank has our #1 role sewn up in perpetuity - so I'm struggling to see how you figure we offered Soldo the role and he rejected it from what has been said publicly.

Maybe I missed something?





"2nd string" rucks don't post the numbers of elite #1 rucks - Soldo does.

Most of the rest of the comp consider him a #1 ruck and at least half a dozen clubs have made trade offers for him as such over the years.

The thing that really shits me about this 'market value' farce, is that ruck is the only position on the ground where you can play the kind of blindingly obvious elite game of football that Soldo did in the last example we have to measure him by (against Gawn where his game rated 128, which as you know, is well above average for #1 rucks, let alone "2nd string" rucks), and yet get traded for chump change only weeks later.

That game is every bit comparable to kicking 5-6 toughly contested goals on Steven May in the same season defining contest.

That game is every bit comparable to having 30 disposals and a dozen clearances on Petracca in the same season defining contest.

We wouldn't give away a prime age KPF or mid who just did those things for chump change, those positions are way easier to find viable candidates for than finding a genuine #1 ruck in the current market, so to me it is utterly illogical that Soldo has such little value in comparison.

Just because enough people come to a consensus about the worth of something, doesn't make it logical, correct, or right.





I don't think anyone forgets that Nank has been injured as often as he has, nor how incredible he has been at bouncing back from them, nor how competitive he is when statistically compared to his peers.

The fact is we are way too reliant on him, every game, every season. Whether we win, lose or draw, has been more down to how Nank plays than any half a dozen (could argue dozen) of the 21 other players for a long time. It's not a good scenario for a club to be that utterly reliant on one player, especially not an ageing, injury and suspension prone one.

Soldo was our best chance to reshape that narrative, now we're hardwired for another few seasons of same old same old. The rest of the comp worked our midfield out long ago and without Soldo I can't see there's much Yze and the new group can do to alter our trajectory.

I mean the market rates for a ruckman are not the same as the rates for an elite key defender, midfielder or forward is because it’s been clearly proven you don’t need an elite ruck to win a flag

There’s zero sense in spending large amounts of draft or salary capital on a position where good enough will do

I mean Collingwood clearly showed that to the world when they first hamstrung their list by giving a ruckman miles better than Soldo elite level money. Then they offloaded him for almost nothing, replaced him with good enough in the position and won a flag. They even beat a side in finals that took that elite ruck to partner with another elite ruck

 

[4tune8]

OK, so was Nank going to play VFL or start on the bench every week and play 50% game time while Soldo took the #1 slot?

You really think the club said that could happen?





Come on mate, you know that averaging out games where he was managed coming back from injury and got SFA game time with Nank taking the #1 role is not an honest way to measure the man's season.

That game he was properly fit, had the #1 slot to himself and played against the best going around.

It's the ultimate measuring stick and he more than measured up.

It was an elite performance. Why is it so hard for so many people to acknowledge that simple fact?

What's your point though? Don't say that we should have held him to his contract for another year, because that would have been detrimental to both Soldo and the Tigers.

We wanted to keep him, he got an offer too good to refuse both monetarily and game wise, we got compensation in the form of 2 x 2nd round picks which could quite possible be turned into a 1st round pick and not the 'chump change' that you mentioned in an earlier post.

 

[_RT_]

OK, so was Nank going to play VFL or start on the bench every week and play 50% game time while Soldo took the #1 slot?

You really think the club said that could happen?

What I'm suggesting is that Yze, as new coach, could very well have said to Soldo that the position is up for grabs, but he'll need to fight for it. Soldo chose the guaranteed offer from Port.

Come on mate, you know that averaging out games where he was managed coming back from injury and got SFA game time with Nank taking the #1 role is not an honest way to measure the man's season.

That game he was properly fit, had the #1 slot to himself and played against the best going around.

It's the ultimate measuring stick and he more than measured up.

It was an elite performance. Why is it so hard for so many people to acknowledge that simple fact?

I'm looking at what Soldo can do as a player, not what he can score in Supercoach. However since you want to use that game as a measuring stick, lets have a look.

Soldo - 10 disposals 1 mark 6 tackles 26 hitouts 5 clearances 2 R50 6 contested possessions 1 intercept possession 1 goals 8 score involvements 128 Supercoach
Gawn - 28 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 40 hitouts 11 clearances 8 I50s 1 R50 22 contested possessions 6 intercept possessions 10 score involvements 178 Supercoach 3 Brownlow votes

Soldo was well beaten in every area bar tackles and score involvements and you want to suggest that the game he played was clearly at an elite level. As I said previously Soldo is a solid mid level ruck, but he isn't elite by most measures when it comes to the elite rucks in the game today.

 

[Rayzorwire]

I mean the market rates for a ruckman are not the same as the rates for an elite key defender, midfielder or forward is because it’s been clearly proven you don’t need an elite ruck to win a flag

You don't need an elite ruck, but you do need a very capable, competitive, genuine #1 ruck and two on the list.

Look at Sydney with and without a fit Hickey, Port with and without a fit Lycett this year, the massive lift GWS got from using Briggs compared to everyone else they'd tried.

There’s zero sense in spending large amounts of draft or salary capital on a position where good enough will do

I mean Collingwood clearly showed that to the world when they first hamstrung their list by giving a ruckman miles better than Soldo elite level money. Then they offloaded him for almost nothing, replaced him with good enough in the position and won a flag. They even beat a side in finals that took that elite ruck to partner with another elite ruck

Grundy would still be worth the money he once was if he was still capable of playing anywhere near as well as he once did. He was worth every penny of it the first couple of years around that massive signing, worth two good mids' salary on his own. These days he's a shadow of his former self.

The problem wasn't so much what they paid him, it was that he he either mentally checked out, or isn't physically capable anymore after long years of copping a battering, often single handedly - may well be a combination of both.

It's also worth noting that often as they could this year, Collingwood played two genuine #1 AFL rucks and the rest was pure pace and possession.

The former is what makes the latter work.

 

[ms3]

You don't need an elite ruck, but you do need a very capable, competitive, genuine #1 ruck and two on the list.

Look at Sydney with and without a fit Hickey, Port with and without a fit Lycett this year, the massive lift GWS got from using Briggs compared to everyone else they'd tried.




Grundy would still be worth the money he once was if he was still capable of playing anywhere near as well as he once did. He was worth every penny of it the first couple of years around that massive signing, worth two good mids' salary on his own. These days he's a shadow of his former self.

The problem wasn't so much what they paid him, it was that he he either mentally checked out, or isn't physically capable anymore after long years of copping a battering, often single handedly - may well be a combination of both.

It's also worth noting that often as they could this year, Collingwood played two genuine #1 AFL rucks and the rest was pure pace and possession.

The former is what makes the latter work.

Grundy was in the top 3 rated rucks in the comp when he rucked alone without Gawn you continue to dig a deeper hole whilst acting like the rest of us are deluded

 

[Rayzorwire]

What's your point though? Don't say that we should have held him to his contract for another year, because that would have been detrimental to both Soldo and the Tigers.

My point is that with Yze coming in it was the perfect time to reassess all positions, including captaincy and the #1 ruck role, without the baggage of past relationships and assessments.

I'd like to have seen Soldo given every chance to succeed at the club where he belongs and if that meant Nank played 2nd fiddle while that experiment plays out next year while Soldo was still under contract, then stays 2nd fiddle if Soldo succeeded, then so be it.

We wanted to keep him, he got an offer too good to refuse both monetarily and game wise, we got compensation in the form of 2 x 2nd round picks which could quite possible be turned into a 1st round pick and not the 'chump change' that you mentioned in an earlier post.

To be clear, I think the club did pretty much as well on the score of compensation as it could, but I also think Soldo was worth considerably more to us than we could get for him.

 

[Rayzorwire]

I'm looking at what Soldo can do as a player, not what he can score in Supercoach. However since you want to use that game as a measuring stick, lets have a look.

Soldo - 10 disposals 1 mark 6 tackles 26 hitouts 5 clearances 2 R50 6 contested possessions 1 intercept possession 1 goals 8 score involvements 128 Supercoach
Gawn - 28 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 40 hitouts 11 clearances 8 I50s 1 R50 22 contested possessions 6 intercept possessions 10 score involvements 178 Supercoach 3 Brownlow votes

Soldo was well beaten in every area bar tackles and score involvements and you want to suggest that the game he played was clearly at an elite level.

Is or is not 128 an elite game rating for a ruckman? (it is a game rating, not just a score from a fantasy game, it's the best statistical measurement we have to assess a player's game)

Considering Soldo's game rating was higher than Gawn's when he came to the bench in the last quarter for the final time, then Gawn scores close to 60 points (many of those 'bonus' points for match-winning deeds) in the final minutes while Soldo is on the bench, is that a reflection on Soldo? To me it shows that Soldo was the wall holding back a tidal wave and the moment he went off we went from being ahead to losing.

And mate, you really must have forgotten what it's like to argue footy stats with me if you thought you could slip all those Soldo/Gawn stats by me in a debate and I would somehow miss that you left out the enormous haul of hitouts-to-advantage which was the basis of Soldo's elite game rating.

He's a different kind of ruck to the high possession types like Gawn and Nank, but that doesn't make him a lesser ruck, as the game rating that day proved when the two styles faced off head to head.

As this year's two grand finalists showed, you don't necessarily need high possession rucks to be successful. Less mobile rucks who can control the contest with their hit-outs can be equally or more successful with the right side around them.

 

[Pattiger]

Who is Ashton Moir - Sa forward that is being linked to Richmond ? Pick 29

 

[Chunky09]

not sure…still only 20…developing 96kegs…194 cm…He played all 18 VFL games, averaging five marks and booting 30 goals to finish as the team's leading goalkicker….won the drugs vfl bnf

only thing I can think of is his thousand yard stare


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Is he ****en cross eyed?

 

[4tune8]

My point is that with Yze coming in it was the perfect time to reassess all positions, including captaincy and the #1 ruck role, without the baggage of past relationships and assessments.

I'd like to have seen Soldo given every chance to succeed at the club where he belongs and if that meant Nank played 2nd fiddle while that experiment plays out next year while Soldo was still under contract, then stays 2nd fiddle if Soldo succeeded, then so be it.





To be clear, I think the club did pretty much as well on the score of compensation as it could, but I also think Soldo was worth considerably more to us than we could get for him.

It may well be that it was the perfect time to reassess positions and I presume that's the reason why we wanted to keep him. However, the simple fact of the matter is that he got an offer he couldn't refuse and to be perfectly honest, who could blame him especially at his age. Last Tango and all that jazz. We got more than adequate compensation so both Soldo and the club come out winners.

 

[_RT_]

Is or is not 128 an elite game rating for a ruckman? (it is a game rating, not just a score from a fantasy game, it's the best statistical measurement we have to assess a player's game)

One game does not make a career and I'm well aware that he has had other games where he scores highly, but Supercoach scores don't always represent the impact a player has on a game.

Considering Soldo's game rating was higher than Gawn's when he came to the bench in the last quarter for the final time, then Gawn scores close to 60 points (many of those 'bonus' points for match-winning deeds) in the final minutes while Soldo is on the bench, is that a reflection on Soldo? To me it shows that Soldo was the wall holding back a tidal wave and the moment he went off we went from being ahead to losing.

And mate, you really must have forgotten what it's like to argue footy stats with me if you thought you could slip all those Soldo/Gawn stats by me in a debate and I would somehow miss that you left out the enormous haul of hitouts-to-advantage which was the basis of Soldo's elite game rating.

Soldo had 15 HTA, Gawn had 12. Again when his direct opponent completely dominates the game, not just the last few minutes while he's on the bench, but the whole game, to the point where he gets the 3 Brownlow votes & 10 coaches votes, then I'd respectfully suggest that Soldos game wasn't as great as you're arguing

He's a different kind of ruck to the high possession types like Gawn and Nank, but that doesn't make him a lesser ruck, as the game rating that day proved when the two styles faced off head to head.

As this year's two grand finalists showed, you don't necessarily need high possession rucks to be successful. Less mobile rucks who can control the contest with their hit-outs can be equally or more successful with the right side around them.

He's a ruck whose strength is winning hitouts. Outside that he doesn't have a major impact in general play and with the game moving more and more towards having athletic types who can be involved in all facets of play, the days of the big lumbering ruck are numbered.

 

[Rayzorwire]

It may well be that it was the perfect time to reassess positions and I presume that's the reason why we wanted to keep him. However, the simple fact of the matter is that he got an offer he couldn't refuse and to be perfectly honest, who could blame him especially at his age. Last Tango and all that jazz. We got more than adequate compensation so both Soldo and the club come out winners.

My assumption has been that Soldo was told he was behind Nank in the pecking order and that we were not able to even make any guarantees that we'd be playing two rucks as our standard game plan next year.

In which case, yes, Port was an offer he couldn't refuse and no, I don't blame him.

 

[Rich01]

Soldo had 15 HTA, Gawn had 12. Again when his direct opponent completely dominates the game, not just the last few minutes while he's on the bench, but the whole game, to the point where he gets the 3 Brownlow votes & 10 coaches votes, then I'd respectfully suggest that Soldos game wasn't as great as you're arguing.

Spot on. I remember coming away from that game thinking that’s probably the best I’ve seen Ivan play, and his opponent was a dominant, match winning BOG.

 

[Rayzorwire]

One game does not make a career and I'm well aware that he has had other games where he scores highly, but Supercoach scores don't always represent the impact a player has on a game.

They're all roundabout ways of avoiding admitting that "2nd string" rucks don't pump out elite 128's with 15 hitouts-to-advantage against Max Gawn.

Ever.

Soldo had 15 HTA, Gawn had 12. Again when his direct opponent completely dominates the game, not just the last few minutes while he's on the bench, but the whole game, to the point where he gets the 3 Brownlow votes & 10 coaches votes, then I'd respectfully suggest that Soldos game wasn't as great as you're arguing

He wasn't dominating Soldo as a ruckman, quite the opposite.

He scored over half of his game rating in the 9% of the match where he was on the field and Soldo was on the bench, rucking against Miller and then a combination of Balta and Pickett. Every second of Soldo's rating was earned on Gawn, not part-timers.

Despite flogging Soldo for meaningless possessions, he was still behind Soldo when he went to the bench in the 4Q, because Soldo was clearly the better ruckman on the day for the pure ruck stuff.

He's a ruck whose strength is winning hitouts. Outside that he doesn't have a major impact in general play and with the game moving more and more towards having athletic types who can be involved in all facets of play, the days of the big lumbering ruck are numbered.

Clearly Brisbane, Collingwood and Port didn't get that memo.

 

[ms3]

They're all roundabout ways of avoiding admitting that "2nd string" rucks don't pump out elite 128's with 15 hitouts-to-advantage against Max Gawn.

Ever.





He wasn't dominating Soldo as a ruckman, quite the opposite.

He scored over half of his game rating in the 9% of the match where he was on the field and Soldo was on the bench, rucking against Miller and then a combination of Balta and Pickett. Every second of Soldo's rating was earned on Gawn, not part-timers.

Despite flogging Soldo for meaningless possessions, he was still behind Soldo when he went to the bench in the 4Q, because Soldo was clearly the better ruckman on the day for the pure ruck stuff.






Clearly Brisbane, Collingwood and Port didn't get that memo.

I’ve never seen someone emphasize one Supercoach score so much in my life Gawn scored 174 that game for anyone who actually cares about SC, seeing as we’re continually going back to that. Slapped him in that stat as well as all the others. I want whatever this guy’s smoking

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I’ve never seen someone emphasize one Supercoach score so much in my life Gawn scored 174 that game for anyone who actually cares about SC, seeing as we’re continually going back to that. Slapped him in that stat as well as all the others. I want whatever this guy’s smoking

In the official AFL player ratings, which in my opinion are credible(though not infallible) Soldo rated 25.2 and was the highest rating player in the game, Gawn just behind him rating 24.4.

I recall the match well, and Soldo played really well. Gawn outfoxed him in the second half, but I think this was born of Soldo beating him in the ruck and Gawn started sharking Soldo's hitouts.

This game was an outlier for Soldo, but he was genuinely good in it with a goal + an assist, 8 score involvements, 6 tackles and I suspect a load of score launches.

 

[ms3]

In the official AFL player ratings, which in my opinion are credible(though not infallible) Soldo rated 25.2 and was the highest rating player in the game, Gawn just behind him rating 24.4.

I recall the match well, and Soldo played really well. Gawn outfoxed him in the second half, but I think this was born of Soldo beating him in the ruck and Gawn started sharking Soldo's hitouts.

This game was an outlier for Soldo, but he was genuinely good in it with a goal + an assist, 8 score involvements, 6 tackles and I suspect a load of score launches.

Player ratings are credible to an extent, and yes Soldo had a decent first half, but the eye test wins out and Gawn murdered us in the second half. He himself admitted he was flat in the first half and got a rocket from Goodwin. End of the day he and Petty were the difference