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If they are traveling to Victoria give them some more games at the G …. Helps a lot come finals
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You are clearly snoozing
You again ignore the fact
It is the Melbourne based teams who actually giving up a home game and home ground advantage.
Wake up
It isnt harder for Fremantle to play Melbourne in the NT, or Gold Coast to play Richmond in Cairns, or Sydney to play STK in NewZealand, or Sydney play North in Canberra, or Port play WB in Darwin
It is the Melbourne teams giving away home ground advantage games.
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Dogs get home ground advantage playing at Eureka …. Just like the hawks in Tassie ….
So does actually making finals and finishing top2 to get "home finals".
Home finals, something those "advantaged Vic teams" dont even get.
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Mate you cannot be so stupid …. You’re just having a lend
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And I haven’t said travel is a disadvantage …. It’s being the first to play at unfamiliar rural grounds and not getting more opportunities on the G for exampleSo back to travel not being a disadvantage for the Hawks.
If the granny is locked n at the G, all clubs should get a chance to play there more than once or twice a year
LoL
Good to know travel isnt a disadvantage now.
What a flip flopper
Like most lazy VICBias numpties, you aren't even sure what you are sooking about.
But you are sure that ALL Vic sides ALL benefit from something, and it is unfair!!
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I agree with that. Should be a priority to build them in with the G locked in as the GF venue.
The MCG tenants that don't sell home games would also be delighted if the AFL shifted their Marvel games against Non-Vic teams to the G.
If the AFL could match what the marvel clubs get paid to play elsewhere, they'd probably also be happy to play them at the G - some of them would also benefit from more games at the G - Dogs, Saints and North rarely play there and they're also the ones who get moved to rural venues
You could do it, but AFL needs Marvel and they don't want to lose too many Marvel games. That ground is a bit of a noose.v And not sure how many more MCG games are possible?
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Pretty obvious solution.
If playing at the G is so important, why dont the Giants play a home game of their own at the G?
You now say travel isn't a disadvantage (might change again in a minute) so why not play a GWS home game v Brisbane at the G?
Why should North, StK or Essendon have to give up one of their home ground advantage games at Marvel?
Geelong and Hawthorn finally coming good is what changed. They won 7 of the next 9 flags. They both happened to be from Victoria.
The whole competition is now professional, so the gaps between training standards are a lot lower than they were in the 90's and early 2000's. In fact it was only the mid 2000's when every player started earning enough for AFL to be their full time job.
It means things like travel did not matter as much in a not fully professional competition as it does now, as 1% advantage has a much bigger impact now than it did in the 90's when players would be drinking beer down at the pub after a match so things like match fitness were not as important.
Losing 1% fitness in 1995 no where near as important as it is in 2024. Plenty of fat players around in the mid 90's, none around now.
And are the two Victorian clubs who play the most games outside of Melbourne.
Hawks travel 9-10 times per year.
Carlton and Richmond have both played in Tassie.
You're right! With fairness it really could have been 16 or even 17 if it wasn't for a dubious late Vicbias umpiring decision and Vicbias scheduling giving Swans the Friday prelim despite their GF opponent finishing on top of the ladder.
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Just a dramatic flip occured at the end of 2006 - making the years before irrelevant for comparison but all the years since highly relevant.
The main part of this sudden flip towards professionalism that made footy unfair for Non-Vic clubs was Cats players telling GaJ that he'd be better if he worked hard and ran and Stevie J that he'd be better if he got pissed less.
You'll need to exclude 2008 from your stats then.
What?
It's is much more challenging playing in Cairns or Darwin or Tasmania than in Melbourne. The weather a major factor. Plus travel. Plus facility standards are significantly lower. That is undeniable.
What Melbourne teams lose in playing other Vic is offset by the massive benefits in reduced travel loads. Again undeniable.
And considering non Vic teams are constantly forced to play away games against minow Vic teams but not in Melbourne and not at AFL mandated finals venues is another inequity.
Open both eyes.
Richmond also played at Norwood Oval and GHMBA "shitholes" in 2024.
Plus they also got their usual home game at the Marvel "shithole".
How do these Marvel teams lose home ground advantage playing at the MCG?
Do their fans refuse to attend the best venue in the land?
Do they rarely play there?
Is there extra travel playing at the MCG rather than Marvel?
Ask any player where they prefer to play. I would bet a body part 99.8% would choose the MCG.
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Still some of this thread is spent on minutiae whilst glossing over the mutual reach around between the AFL and vic teams. Vic club X = benign fixturing, easy access to AFL executives, blockbuster MCG games,wall to wall media coverage and consequently (as McRae just belled the cat) favourable umpiring when critical game-on-the-line decisions are being made.
As that AFL.com article last month revealed, four umpires in the entire AFL system live outside Melbourne. So 90% are immersed in Victorian media and the circle jerk as above. And we're surprised Vic teams in critical moments get the McRae experience, not because of umpires deliberately fixing matches but because all of these things lead to unconscious biases that favour the teams that matter - vic ones. GWS getting absolutely reamed in the final few minutes of last year's prelim is a predictable consequence of the AFL still just being the VFL rebadged with all the accoutrements.
It gets back to the same fundamentals. Bias will remain for as long as a national competition has half it's teams in one state, and its headquarters and most of its on- and off- field decision makers based in that same state. Everything else feeds from that imbalance. The fact that the AFL have to make a public song and dance and tie themselves in knots trying to think of stupid ways to 'restore' competitive balance, rather than addressing the fundamental source of that imbalance, is even worse.
Relocate AFL House out of Melbourne
Reduce mumber of umpires based in Melbourne
Even without cutting Melbourne teams from the comp (which should be the ultimate aim) these things will help
As that AFL.com article last month revealed, four umpires in the entire AFL system live outside Melbourne. So 90% are immersed in Victorian media and the circle jerk as above. And we're surprised Vic teams in critical moments get the McRae experience, not because of umpires deliberately fixing matches but because all of these things lead to unconscious biases that favour the teams that matter - vic ones. GWS getting absolutely reamed in the final few minutes of last year's prelim is a predictable consequence of the AFL still just being the VFL rebadged with all the accoutrements.
It gets back to the same fundamentals. Bias will remain for as long as a national competition has half it's teams in one state, and its headquarters and most of its on- and off- field decision makers based in that same state. Everything else feeds from that imbalance. The fact that the AFL have to make a public song and dance and tie themselves in knots trying to think of stupid ways to 'restore' competitive balance, rather than addressing the fundamental source of that imbalance, is even worse.
Relocate AFL House out of Melbourne
Reduce mumber of umpires based in Melbourne
Even without cutting Melbourne teams from the comp (which should be the ultimate aim) these things will help
You think the umps all love Collingwood because they live in Melbourne?
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It'd be an interesting poll concerning the Grand Final.
Despite GFC complaining that all their home games and finals aren't at Kardinia Park, Selwood has said the players all wanted to play them at the G.
It is meant to be an away game for WC, where they are meant to cop a disadvantage compared to their opponent...you know the usual rant of 10 games with home advantage, and 10 with away disadvantage.
But the North players dont get to sleep at home, spend time with family, play in front of home fans at their familiar home ground, go to usual coffee shop, get the top notch facilities.
Instead they are also playing away, travelling, playing in the cold.
If playing away is harder than playing at home, North have given up any advantage they may have had.
That is undeniable.
Except that some VIC based teams actually travel more than SA clubs.
Again, that is undeniable.
The VIC v non-vic grouping is lazy, especially in relation to travel.
You are complaining that you dont have to play a game at an opponents home ground!
They are both wide open.
Pretty sure we already do that
