Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 3

[fishardansin]

If you like to watch Russian propaganda. There is this guy who was once a QC but lost it all when he was found guilty of fraud:



I recommend watching his videos through the Kherson campaign.

... and this parody of Ruscist propaganda on twitter

https://twitter.com/rusprocuratsia?t=Uy3W-ZW_Ou5V7FtkVW8E2A&s=09

 

[Mobbs]

I'm wondering why they are pushing in Bahkmut. Seems the real key is the southern front right now.

Are they doing that to tie the Russians up in that region? Or is there some strategic advantage to that city beyond a political win for Russia?

No idea for sure, but I would venture to suggest the concept is to attack along as much of the frontline as possible, all at the same time - to stretch RF resources and leave them wondering which vector is the most real. [This TG post] - referencing various sources including ISW - reports on where things have flared up, and have named Avdivka, Kreminna, Kupyansk & Mariinka. If you include Bakhmut where now even Yahidna is claimed to be compromised, and the latest events in the news on Zaporizhzhe's front, that's basically the entire frontline apart from the Kherson oblast along the Dniper (and there's reports UA are shelling positions south of Energodar as well, which is a just a couple of clicks away from the boundary of Kherson oblast).

Thanks to MS Paint, this is my best attempt to compile every area I can think of, that's been affected by reported activity along the frontline, including the flooding of the lower Dniper River and the Russian Svoboda mercenary group incursions into Belgorod oblast a week or two back. My own uneducated feeling is that this smells of stretching RF defences paper thin and keeping them glancing left and right wondering what's about to happen, and where. Sorry it's a bit messy.


(PS: "att. gain" near Orikhiv/Mala Tokmachka is poorly written by me, meant it to define an attempted territorial gain which is reported as not yielding anything at the time I was reading)

 

[Mobbs]

Edit: Fixed this as I was looking at the wrong Blagodatne of 4 possibilities!


Blagodatne, near to Velika Novosilka, regained by UKR.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine liberated the settlement of Blagodatne, Donetsk region. This was done by soldiers of the 68th separate hunting brigade named after Oleksy Dovbush in interaction with neighboring units. Glory to the ZSU - [Trukha Ukraina TG]

 

[Cap]

Edit: Fixed this as I was looking at the wrong Blagodatne of 4 possibilities!


Blagodatne, near to Velika Novosilka, regained by UKR.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine liberated the settlement of Blagodatne, Donetsk region. This was done by soldiers of the 68th separate hunting brigade named after Oleksy Dovbush in interaction with neighboring units. Glory to the ZSU - [Trukha Ukraina TG]

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It's hard to understand where some towns are in Ukraine, feels like the same town names pop up multiple times

 

[Mobbs]

Read the same thing



It's hard to understand where some towns are in Ukraine, feels like the same town names pop up multiple times

Blagodatne arose 5 times, including near Soledar, and another one just walking distance from Tokmak!

 

[Cap]

 

[Cap]

This is how you know MAGA in all its forms are as bad as Putin. Orban is a poster boy for the MAGA Republicans and is in bed with Putin.

I just hope they cam get Orban out of Hungry before that country ends up like Belarus

 

[Visions]

I'm wondering why they are pushing in Bahkmut. Seems the real key is the southern front right now.

Are they doing that to tie the Russians up in that region? Or is there some strategic advantage to that city beyond a political win for Russia?

Regaining Bakhmut or areas of it would absolutely be a failure for the orcs. After taking all of 10 months to gain a town that cost them heaven and earth in firepower and bodies and making it such a big deal, to lose it again would be a huge political disaster as well as morale sapping.

It also is part of the larger plan of fixing Russian forces as you and others have suggested. The terrorist army cannot defend the whole frontline, that is evident. So Ukraine drawing and fixing their forces in particular areas will allow the UAF army to then conduct their bulk attack in a spot of their choosing where the defensive lines are soft. Now there are reports coming out that the Russians are jumping at shadows up north around the Kharkiv area like below.

These current offensive attacks are not the main attack, that is still to come. I have a funny feeling the Ukrainians are looking to go for Mariupol and will do so by attacking and making their way from Vuhledar. That section seems to be quiet so far, just what you would expect for a surprise attack to break through lines that have had troops moved further west.

 

[Visions]

Edit: Fixed this as I was looking at the wrong Blagodatne of 4 possibilities!


Blagodatne, near to Velika Novosilka, regained by UKR.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine liberated the settlement of Blagodatne, Donetsk region. This was done by soldiers of the 68th separate hunting brigade named after Oleksy Dovbush in interaction with neighboring units. Glory to the ZSU - [Trukha Ukraina TG]

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The first liberation video of the counter has come out, and it is this town.

Edit: There's also been further rumours of another three towns in this area being liberated or "goodwill gestures" as the running retreating orcs will put it. Storozheve, Novodarivka and Levadne.

 

[Cap]

The first liberation video of the counter has come out, and it is this town.

Edit: There's also been further rumours of another three towns in this area being liberated or "goodwill gestures" as the running retreating orcs will put it. Storozheve, Novodarivka and Levadne.

I follow that user, but I think Musk has shadow banned or whatever they do to downplay Ukraine tweets because I don't see the posts

 

[Visions]

Time to get the popcorn out for the sh!tshow that will result from this.

PMC's are illegal in Russia, yet they want them under their umbrella....

 

[mighty tiges]

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It's hard to understand where some towns are in Ukraine, feels like the same town names pop up multiple times

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Cap]

 

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[Mobbs]

Heartening to wake up and see all the posts about towns potentially freed! Still the same topic, more media on towns liberated or in process, including some of those mentioned above, all south of Velika Novosilka. The definition of liberation gets a little fluid but clearly each of these towns are in a state where they are pushed into the liberated category to see if it fits :

The Deputy Minister of Defense announced the liberation of Makarivka settlement.
We were expecting a slightly different message, namely about the dismissal of, for example, Not boring.
Stabilization measures are being carried out in Makarivka and Storozhovo, as soon as the boys are established in the villages, it will be possible to talk about liberation.


[DeepState]


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Neskuchne :
The volunteer unit "Arey" announced the liberation of the settlement of Neskuchne by the Defense Forces of Ukraine.
The settlement moves from the gray zone to the blue zone.
We are not in a hurry to follow the hype, but we carefully check everything. Information is available, geolocation is available.
Also, as the fighters reported, the Russian occupiers completely looted and destroyed the memorial museum-house of Volodymyr Ivanovich Nemyrovych-Danchenko.
[DeepState]

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Zidane98]

Karma's a bitch



Feel it is only a matter of time before the poor shark receives a polonium laced fish meal.

 

[Fire]

So I'm just an observer trying to learn.

If the Ukrainians have penetrated the first line if defense in a few places, wouldn't the least destructive way to wipe it out altogether be to attack the rest of the line parallel to it, or even manuver and attack from behind it? Wouldn't a line be helplessly indefensible from the flank and rear? Why would they keep pressing from the front in other areas?

 

[Frank Grimes]

Time to get the popcorn out for the sh!tshow that will result from this.

PMC's are illegal in Russia, yet they want them under their umbrella....

Saw this coming. If Prigohzin hasn't figured out that he is not safe if he returns to Russia and outlast his usefulness then he's an idiot.

He's in between a rock and a hard place as pretty much an other country either sees him as a war criminal or Russia has an influence over them.

 

[Frank Grimes]

So I'm just an observer trying to learn.

If the Ukrainians have penetrated the first line if defense in a few places, wouldn't the least destructive way to wipe it out altogether be to attack the rest of the line parallel to it, or even manuver and attack from behind it? Wouldn't a line be helplessly indefensible from the flank and rear? Why would they keep pressing from the front in other areas?

I think you are correct, however I think the line can go a fair way straight if that line is on the high ground. If it's flat plains below then it would be difficult for the Russians to retake.

 

[Fire]

He's in between a rock and a hard place as pretty much an other country either sees him as a war criminal or Russia has an influence over them.

He's very much put himself in that position tho.

He's clearly been making a power play; and he's banking on the Russian military getting smashed in Ukraine.

I guess he figures he's getting old so it's now or never? Lived a decent life so may as well shoot for the king? He's a hard one to read.

 

[CD Xbow]

Saw this coming. If Prigohzin hasn't figured out that he is not safe if he returns to Russia and outlast his usefulness then he's an idiot.

He's in between a rock and a hard place as pretty much an other country either sees him as a war criminal or Russia has an influence over them.

Perhaps he resolves it by taking Putin's job. Strong message in the Wagner propaganda showing him as a man of the people, meeting new recruits, going to the front lines, etc. Presents him in a different light to the Russian people compared to Mr P sitting at his 100m table. Interesting times, but not ones in which he should accept a cup of tea from Putin or stand too close to windows.

Added - he is standing for election in 2024 according to a Sunday Times article. Needs to keep his troops under his command, very important for successful election wins in Russia.

 

[ibd77]

So I'm just an observer trying to learn.

If the Ukrainians have penetrated the first line if defense in a few places, wouldn't the least destructive way to wipe it out altogether be to attack the rest of the line parallel to it, or even manuver and attack from behind it? Wouldn't a line be helplessly indefensible from the flank and rear? Why would they keep pressing from the front in other areas?

Not knowing much about military strategy but Russia has had time to setup defensive lines and lay mines to protect their flanks. Carefully de-mining is a slow process and makes them vulnerable to ambush attacks.

 

[Cap]

Not knowing much about military strategy but Russia has had time to setup defensive lines and lay mines to protect their flanks. Carefully de-mining is a slow process and makes them vulnerable to ambush attacks.

Reading a few 'twitter' experts and to be fair, some are experts.

It appears the larger amush that RU keeps releasing photos of was a genuine mistake by UA

But no one seems to consider mistakes like that unusual.