Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[Jamolad]

Was only a day or so ago he was banging on about elections being cancelled in Ukraine.

Meanwhile he ignores that when the Bolsheviks failed to secure a majority in the Constituent Assembly elections, they dissolved it by force, undermining democratic aspirations, and starting the shift to one-party rule...but that is "play on" for some reason?

I'd say there's a whiff of double standards, except Ukraine suspended elections during a time of war after being invaded; whereas the Bolsheviks did away with it because they could not secure a majority.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Bet you wouldn't say that to someone who was in concentration camps liberated by the red army.

A more conspiratorial mind than mine would think you're trying to lessen nazi crimes. The fact is Europe was carved up between the US and the USSR after(thankfully) defeating the Nazis

Are you unaware of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact or something?

 

[jatz14]

Now that Russia's puppet is no longer controlling Syria, Russia stopped needed food aid, because Russia is all about the people.

Meanwhile, Ukraine has promised to make up the shortfall.

Russia really can only project power and influence via threats and confrontation. In soft power projection, Ukraine is thrashing them.

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[Visions]

Agitated by Fico's visit to Moscow, Slovakians gathered to protest the relationship between their Prime Minister and the Russian regime.

Protests took place in Bratislava in response to Robert Fico's visit to Putin

According to media reports, thousands of people gathered outside the Slovak government building yesterday to protest Fico's visit.

Those present held, among other things, Ukrainian flags and posters with inscriptions in support of Ukraine, and also called Fico a traitor.

Former Prime Minister of Slovakia Eduard Heger said during the demonstration that it is up to the protesters to ensure that Slovakia as a country does not have a bad image, unlike the Slovak government.

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This ****ing dumb clown is crying about Ukraine’s decision to shut off the Russian gas pipelines running through its country once the contract runs out.

The idiot has had 3 years to come up with alternative solutions but sat on his hands and now there will be no gas in Slovakia.

He has had it easy so far. Ukraine has been more than fair in still letting Russian gas to be delivered up until now. If the roles were reversed you can be sure the genocidal maniacs in Russia would have stopped it straight away.

Also the ****wit is sucking up to the wrong president. What is Putin going to do about the gas deliveries? Bomb Ukraine until they start delivering again? He needs to suck up to Zelensky.

This is a good way for Ukraine to negotiate a huge deal out of Slovakia, or else l hope there are huge cases of sabotage with pipelines going down all over the place.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[Mobbs]

In Sevastopol, Crimea, this poster on a bus stop reads "Putin is a dumbarse".

 

[Dirty Bird]

Isn't their christmas still a week or 2 away?

Or did they align with the west on this with the invasion?

 

[wannabejack]

Isn't their christmas still a week or 2 away?

Or did they align with the west on this with the invasion?

Since 2023.
In a shift from russia, Ukraine started marking Christmas (25 December) according to the Western (Gregorian) calendar, which Ukraine uses in everyday life

The Orthodox Church of Ukraine also changed its Christmas date to 25 December.

 

[Mobbs]

Isn't their christmas still a week or 2 away?

Or did they align with the west on this with the invasion?

Since 2023.
In a shift from russia, Ukraine started marking Christmas (25 December) according to the Western (Gregorian) calendar, which Ukraine uses in everyday life

The Orthodox Church of Ukraine also changed its Christmas date to 25 December.

Yeah as jack said, they changed it and this is their second year per Dec 25. Russia still works their original way, and while I can't remember the details, there's actually two different dates for Christmas about a week into the new year and a week again after that. it was quite confusing when I was exposed to it.

Also, from my experience, Russians barely acknowledge Christmas as a celebratory day at all. Usually if they do, its due to western influence in their lives.

Instead it's New Years day that's the big deal for Russians - trying to remember all this now but I think even their tree is referred to as a New Years tree, not a Christmas tree.

 

[hebog]

Bet you wouldn't say that to someone who was in concentration camps liberated by the red army.

A more conspiratorial mind than mine would think you're trying to lessen nazi crimes. The fact is Europe was carved up between the US and the USSR after(thankfully) defeating the Nazis

When the war finished the border between east and west was where the USSR and the allies had their armies. Which is why we had west and east Germany and Berlin was split in two. Land access to West Berlin was not possible hence the Berlin airlift. There was no cosy agreement on carving up Europe.

 

[Zidane98]

Appears the Russians have shot down an Azerbaijani airlines plane.

It's time to rid the world of the murderous fascist dictator Putin. He did this before with MH17 and looks like he has done it again.

Anyone who blames anybody but Russia for the invasion of Ukraine is a defender of the murderous fascist dictator.

 

[Zidane98]

Appears the pilot diverted to Kazakhstan. Probably a smart move, Russians would have tried to finish off any witnesses. Still probably will in Kazakhstan. I hope their is protection fur witnesses in Kazakhstan.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Appears the pilot diverted to Kazakhstan. Probably a smart move, Russians would have tried to finish off any witnesses. Still probably will in Kazakhstan. I hope their is protection fur witnesses in Kazakhstan.

I wonder what our Russian apologists will say about this.

 

[Jamolad]

I wonder what our Russian apologists will say about this.

They will go back to 1988 and bring up USS Vincennes shooting down Iranian flight 655.

We will agree that that was also very shit - that anyone's military shooting down anyone's airliner is a campaigner-act.

That will confuse them, because our position remains the same no matter who the perpetrator was.

Confused by that consistency, they will say both are as bad as each other, ignoring that Russia looks to have now done it twice within the last decade, with the benefit of a few decade's worth of technological advancement that should have made such accidents less likely (which does not mitigate the tragedy of 1988 - doing it once, at any time, is one too many times).

 

[Visions]

Appears the Russians have shot down an Azerbaijani airlines plane.

It's time to rid the world of the murderous fascist dictator Putin. He did this before with MH17 and looks like he has done it again.

Anyone who blames anybody but Russia for this world is a defender of the murderous fascist dictator.

Not quite MH17 in terms of casualties, but still perpetrated by the same ****wits.

Russian idiots thought it was a drone and fired an anti aircraft missile at it. Shrapnel penetrated the tail (and most likely rest of the plane). Russia didn’t want it landing at the nearest airport in its territory (optics of a crashed passenger plane in Russia don’t look good) so diverted it to Kazakhstan thinking it would crash in a huge fireball destroying any evidence.

Unfortunately for Russians, tail section of the plane survived crash and shows it indeed was hit by shrapnel despite claims it was from a bird strike…..

 

[Visions]

I wonder what our Russian apologists will say about this.

Deny the actual truth and it was all Ukraines fault!!

 

[Zidane98]

Deny the actual truth and it was all Ukraines fault!!

They'll demand a Nobel peace prize for Putin.

 

[Zidane98]

Russians must be so annoyed that the pilot hung on instead of crashing the plane into the Caspian sea hiding evidence of yet another Russian war crime atrocity.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[wannabejack]

They will go back to 1988 and bring up USS Vincennes shooting down Iranian flight 655.

We will agree that that was also very shit - that anyone's military shooting down anyone's airliner is a campaigner-act.

That will confuse them, because our position remains the same no matter who the perpetrator was.

Confused by that consistency, they will say both are as bad as each other, ignoring that Russia looks to have now done it twice within the last decade, with the benefit of a few decade's worth of technological advancement that should have made such accidents less likely (which does not mitigate the tragedy of 1988 - doing it once, at any time, is one too many times).

 

[Zidane98]

They will go back to 1988 and bring up USS Vincennes shooting down Iranian flight 655.

We will agree that that was also very shit - that anyone's military shooting down anyone's airliner is a campaigner-act.

That will confuse them, because our position remains the same no matter who the perpetrator was.

Confused by that consistency, they will say both are as bad as each other, ignoring that Russia looks to have now done it twice within the last decade, with the benefit of a few decade's worth of technological advancement that should have made such accidents less likely (which does not mitigate the tragedy of 1988 - doing it once, at any time, is one too many times).

A few differences:

The warship involved was under direct attack by Iranian gunboats.

Commander attempted to contact unidentified aircraft on international emergency channels. It didn't respond.

Most of all, Flightradar24 wasn't publicly available in 1988. This system is available now for free and would show to any Russian moron operating air defence that the target was a commercial aircraft.

I see little similarities between the two. And Russia has no excuse after MH17.

 

[Zidane98]

Putin has managed to launch a massive missile attack on Ukraine, destroy a major power transmission line between Estonia & Finland and shoot down a commercial aircraft on Christmas day.

 

[CD Xbow]

Not quite MH17 in terms of casualties, but still perpetrated by the same ****wits.

Russian idiots thought it was a drone and fired an anti aircraft missile at it. Shrapnel penetrated the tail (and most likely rest of the plane). Russia didn’t want it landing at the nearest airport in its territory (optics of a crashed passenger plane in Russia don’t look good) so diverted it to Kazakhstan thinking it would crash in a huge fireball destroying any evidence.

Unfortunately for Russians, tail section of the plane survived crash and shows it indeed was hit by shrapnel despite claims it was from a bird strike…..

Bravo to the pilots. They kept control until the very last. Could easily have lost all the souls on board. Well done. I haven't heard if they survived.
Looking at the final seconds of the aircraft, I'm really surprised anyone survived.

 

[Visions]

Bravo to the pilots. They kept control until the very last. Could easily have lost all the souls on board. Well done. I haven't heard if they survived.
Looking at the final seconds of the aircraft, I'm really surprised anyone survived.

From what I have read, it was only those in the rear part near the tail that survived, so it seems that those at the front and middle which would include the pilots died.

They did all they could given the circumstances of being attacked and then duped by the genocidal Russian regime.

 

[Zidane98]