West Coast or Adelaide - Who is better placed?

[Scotland]

We've lost Cox and Glass. Our oldest player next year will be Priddis at 29.

You've lost Rutten and I assume Porplyzia will be let go. Your oldest player will be Podsiadly at 33 with Reilly and Thompson at 31.

Who already on the Adelaide list will come in that didn't play a big part in 2013 or will improve their game and in turn the side? I would say you'll get more from the Crouch brothers who barely played, Walker will be better for half a season back from his ACL and Kerridge will return. Charlie Cameron might offer some spark. Shaun McKernan will offer nothing at all. To be honest have not watched enough Adelaide games to know the list inside out.

Who on our list will do the same? Not having Cox available will hurt but should put an end the the horrible 3 rucks debacle. Lycett played 12 games this year and should play all 22 next year if fit. Rosa missed out last 8, will be good to have him back. Selwood missed 9, but I think we use him poorly and not having him forced us to think outside the box. More footy from Yeo, McGovern and Sheed is desirable. If Wellingham could not play like a girl or get injured that would be swell also.

Both teams need to go to draft/trade week in order to get substantially better. A bounce of the ball here or there is enough to turn 9th/10th into 7th/8th, but not to jump into the top 4.

 

[nurries]

Butler and Waters are 29 next year too

 

[Scotland]

Yep, Priddis is in fact 30 when the season starts.

Butler has surprisingly been good the back half of the season. Waters for all intents and purposes is ded.

 

[i am a logo]

At the end of 2013 you'd definitely say Adelaide, although the two teams are pretty even at the end of this season. They should both finish near each other next season, either in the lower reaches of the top 8 or just outside it again.

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Adelaide and West Coast mirroring each other a fair bit this season... a whole lot of ordinary with some big wins against shit teams


My bias says Adelaide are better placed for next season - But I have nothing to base that on except for that I want it to be true...

Its the toss of a coin, if we traded McGovern and a top pick to you blokes in exchange for Rory I reckon both our teams would be a fair bit better.

 

[MrKK]

I'd still rather have our list with a wealth of rucks and KPPs but poor midfield, than Adelaide's which is largely the opposite. You can draft/develop quality mids far quicker than KPPs, although our recent history in that department is very poor.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

West Coast's chances depend on this draft a bit I reckon. Yeo and Rosa will be great to come back in to the midfield, which should push a couple of the crabs out. If they can snare a decent mid or two with good disposal and speed (key points) who can come in and play right away they could easily make it. Draw will be a bit harder this year though with the middle 6 finish.

 

[clogged]

Adelaide' problem is coaching, West Coast's is talent.

 

[kranky al]

Adelaide and West Coast mirroring each other a fair bit this season... a whole lot of ordinary with some big wins against shit teams


My bias says Adelaide are better placed for next season - But I have nothing to base that on except for that I want it to be true...

This but the opposite

 

[i am a logo]

Adelaide' problem is coaching, West Coast's is talent.

Is it? they'd probably still be mid-table under a new coach.

 

[eaglespremiers]

West Coast's chances depend on this draft a bit I reckon. Yeo and Rosa will be great to come back in to the midfield, which should push a couple of the crabs out. If they can snare a decent mid or two with good disposal and speed (key points) who can come in and play right away they could easily make it. Draw will be a bit harder this year though with the middle 6 finish.

Doubt drafting's going to help us next year.
Simply need improvement all over the board.

 

[clogged]

Is it? they'd probably still be mid-table under a new coach.

Their midfield is extremely one way. Their best mid, Dangerfield, rarely ever tackles for an inside mid, and in general they are a low tackling side. For all the talent in their midfield, if they don't get the ball on their terms they'll hand it over.

Hawthorn is also a low tackling side, but Hawthorn as a rule never give up possession easily, therefore don't need to worry about tackling as much as other sides.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

would consider it a stalemate at this time.

adelaide need more kpps

wce need a stronger midfield

simpson has a huge task to deal with especially with the eventual phase out of priddis (he will be 30 and will continue to slow down)

 

[Scotland]

Adelaide' problem is coaching, West Coast's is talent.

I don't think Adelaide's list is that good. Arguably better than a 10th placed finish indicates, but not that much better.

 

[Iron]

I don't think Adelaide's list is that good. Arguably better than a 10th placed finish indicates, but not that much better.

West Coast's forward line, when firing, could probably rival any in the league. Lots of firepower in there. However, I think Adelaide's mids and defence are a step ahead, if only a small step.

There's merit in suggesting West Coast have as good a list, but based purely on talent I think it's probably fair to say we've got it covered. The problem is talent is pointless without some direction. We do not have direction.

 

[HBFlanker]

Cant see either making the eight next year with their current lists.

 

[Scotland]

Our defence is solid. If Hurn and Waters were concurrently fit it'd be awesome. Not banking on more than 30 games combined from those two in 2015, though.

Our midfield is a bit meh, Adelaide's clearly better but neither are top 4 material. To be honest both lists look like solid 6th-10th material for mine.

 

[clogged]

I don't think Adelaide's list is that good. Arguably better than a 10th placed finish indicates, but not that much better.

I would prefer Adelaide's midfield to West Coast's at the moment, and don't believe Adelaide's talent base is all that far from a team like Freo's.

 

[pjcrows]

Our top end is great.

Our mid to low end is very average and, paired with poor coaching, is the reason we struggle.

 

[clogged]

Our top end is great.

Our mid to low end is very average and, paired with poor coaching, is the reason we struggle.

Everyone's mid to low end is average, it's coaching that lifts them.

The team Freo made the GF with last year had a few players of questionable value if put on the open market, but they performed their role all season.

Whenever I watch Adelaide it feels like the gameplan has little more to it than 'let Danger get the ball' and then Dangerfield is expected to kick it Tex. Everyone else on the ground is there to make sure those two things happen.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The crows A graders are better than the Eagles, the Crows lack depth especially through the midfield but they have the top end talen who are around the right age.

These players are the future of the club and I don't think anyone could argue the eagles 5 players are better than the crows.

The Eagles have a few 27+ year old's who are very good but I think they will struggle unless they players like Gaff, Sheed, and Masten take a big step up before players like Kennedy are past it.

A graders (or Potential) under 25

West Coast
- Natanui
- Gaff
- Sheed
- Masten
- Darling

Adelaide
- Danger
- Talia
- Walker
- Sloane
- B Crouch


PS- Don't know the either list that well, and only roughly checked the age of players so I could be a year or two off.

Everyone's mid to low end is average, it's coaching that lifts them.

The team Freo made the GF with last year had a few players of questionable value if put on the open market, but they performed their role all season.

Whenever I watch Adelaide it feels like the gameplan has little more to it than 'let Danger get the ball' and then Dangerfield is expected to kick it Tex. Everyone else on the ground is there to make sure those two things happen.

This is fair, Danger has been asked to do much and he must let other players get the ball out to him so his body doesn't cop the same battering it has this year.

Freo have managed to turn players like Crowley and Dawson in top top 15 players, when based on skill they shouldn't be.

 

[Big_Birdy]

You can add Lycett and McGovern to the list of potential A Graders under 25.

Edit: And Shuey

Not sure about Masten though

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Doubt drafting's going to help us next year.
Simply need improvement all over the board.

Yeah but I don't think you're going to get it from the current group of mids, beyond the injury returns. Selwood and Priddis are not really going to gain a few yards of pace and a better kick over summer.

 

[wcesam]

Butler and Waters are 29 next year too

Who knows if Waters will even make a comeback, and Butler has been superb in the games he played but we have been planning post-Butler for years now.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Yeah but I don't think you're going to get it from the current group of mids, beyond the injury returns. Selwood and Priddis are not really going to gain a few yards of pace and a better kick over summer.

True, but a midfield of Shuey, Sheed, Gaff Masten and Yeo with Lycett and Nic Nat rucking moving forward is looking far better than it was 6 weeks ago.

Alec Waterman and Jordan Matera are both mids, so assuming we pick them up with FS we will have plenty of midfielders on the list. Whether they are any gooday be another story.