WWE TV, Rumours and Discussion - Part VII

[Stevi_Tigers]

So FOX runs Smackdown now and not Vince?

When someone is paying you a billion dollars and promoting you on their nfl coverage if they want Cain they get him

 

[TradeDraft]

UFC fighter won't draw s**t. Their fans watch because it's real.

Didn't NJPW tried this and almost Killed them?

 

[Deathly]

I like Cain but this whole thing seems like a waste of potential.

You're bringing him to have a feud with a part-timer that not many wrestling fans are going to care about, it's probably going to be written like shit and then you're putting a stranglehold on the WWE championship at the same time because of these two.

I don't see the draw for these two.

 

[Cleavy]

so if Cain wins, that means UFC > WWE.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

You're bringing him to have a feud with a part-timer that not many wrestling fans are going to care about, it's probably going to be written like s**t and then you're putting a stranglehold on the WWE championship at the same time because of these two.

I don't see the draw for these two.

He came off as a charisma vacuum as well as looking crap. Going to be painful when they play his WWE Championship reign completely straight because "HE USED TO BE IN A REAL SPORT COREY!"

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Having an out-of-shape MMA fighter make a surprise appearance on the blue brand has been done before...

Tank Abbott potentially being WCW Champion cost someone their job.

 

[Cleavy]

at least the commentary was better because of the 2 person team.

 

[Deathly]

He came off as a charisma vacuum as well as looking crap. Going to be painful when they play his WWE Championship reign completely straight because "HE USED TO BE IN A REAL SPORT COREY!"

Ronda return would have been better instead but now we're back to the WWE title being meaningless.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Also, "draw" overlooks Hollywood has already determined otherwise.

 

[Deathly]

Edge #30 at the RR?

 

[Cleavy]

Edge #30 at the RR?

5th man on Team Hogan?

 

[Ry009]

Ronda return would have been better instead but now we're back to the WWE title being meaningless.

It's been meaningless for the last 17 years.

The first brand split along coinciding with Rock/Austin essentially retiring didn't help. Instead of ensuring competition within the company, they've constantly diluted it by making the shows longer and adding more of them.

Who legitimately watches the 5-6 hours of just Raw and Smackdown each week? They should have no excuse with plenty of time to develop talent to a high level, but its been the same convoluted generic boring shit its been for the better part of the last 10 years.

All those hours of programming and the highest paid talent in the company is a 42 year old part timer who is lucky to wrestle more than 5 hours a year.

If WWE aren't invested in developing their talent why should we care?

I like Cain and Brock but neither should be anywhere near a title.

That being said, this is the same company that's put the belt on an aging Goldberg, Jinder, and Kofi who god bless him is a mid card IC title holder at best.

 

[GWBogan]

Didn't NJPW tried this and almost Killed them?

Yes indeed, that was all Inoki's fault.

 

[Cleavy]

It's been meaningless for the last 17 years.

The first brand split along coinciding with Rock/Austin essentially retiring didn't help. Instead of ensuring competition within the company, they've constantly diluted it by making the shows longer and adding more of them.

Who legitimately watches the 5-6 hours of just Raw and Smackdown each week? They should have no excuse with plenty of time to develop talent to a high level, but its been the same convoluted generic boring s**t its been for the better part of the last 10 years.

All those hours of programming and the highest paid talent in the company is a 42 year old part timer who is lucky to wrestle more than 5 hours a year.

If WWE aren't invested in developing their talent why should we care?

I like Cain and Brock but neither should be anywhere near a title.

That being said, this is the same company that's put the belt on an aging Goldberg, Jinder, and Kofi who god bless him is a mid card IC title holder at best.

the WWE brand is the star.

 

[Nugett]

I'd prefer to watch a Brock match than a Cody match.

A match where it’s all German suplexes and F5’s and the match is over in less time than a virgin male touching a nipple for the first time.

Much prefer to watch a Cody match thanks.

 

[Xtreme]

Smackdown has a new king and his name is Brock Lesnar

I for one am excited to see where his new title reign goes

 

[Nugett]

RIP Kofi. While your reign wasn’t good, it wasn’t terrible either.
RIP The world Title. It’s going to be hard to see this title become less relevant than the Universal one.
RIP WWE fans. Brock now has a belt, it won’t be seen or defended for years. The most likely new champion will be another part timer that no one really cares about either.
RIP Smackdown. This is who Vince/Fox wanted as champion? Somebody that can’t even put on a 1 Star match.
RIP Fox. What a waste of a billion dollars. The money you wasted on Brockets being champion, could have been better spent, like having a Charlie Sheen breakfast for the execs.

With Brock as champion, my interest has died. The only 2 viable contenders that I can see Vince wanting to replace him, is 1. Cain what’s his face, and ****ing Roman sigh same old shit. I’m out.

 

[99 Problems]

Plenty do. It's a legitimate accolade that has currency in the marketplace. Two-fold for having the current undisputed HW boxing champ in Tyson Fury there too. It's not just about placating the diehards that will watch regardless. They're still trying to milk dollars from outside the core pro wrestling fanbase, as any business should try to grow and expand their reach.

Given how "mainstream" MMA has become, and the size and importance of the Latino market (something we in Australia don't truly understand), particularly in wrestling and combat sports, and the legitimate history between them, it makes great logical business sense to bring Velasquez in as a foil for Lesnar at this point, and will bring eyes to the product, and make WWE bigger money than most other viable options for a Lesnar opponent, and continuing to milk that cow.

The problem with this thinking is what happens afterwards when Lesnar leaves again and Velasquez has had his fun? They’re going to make the entire roster outside of these 2 look like rubbish (well they already did that in 5 seconds tonight). Why would anyone keep watching after these 2 feud if we are supposed to think the rest of the roster is garbage that’s not on their level?

People are also overestimating the draw of Velasquez. He’s a washed up UFC fighter who’s only fight in the last 3 years was a first round knockout. He’s not in the same stratosphere of name or celebrity as Ronda Rousey.

Don’t get me wrong he adds value and I’m interested to see what he can do, but he’s absolutely not worth shitting on the rest of the roster for.

 

[Grockadoc]

Yeah, ‘cos match lengths don’t matter. How many of those Brock matches have been under 5mins, without him taking any (or very little) damage/moves?
His matches are a joke, where as Jerichos are highly entertaining stories (with this being wrestling and all)..?

And why wouldn’t Ross point that out? Every wrestling fan already knows who he is, and his history in wrestling. Pretty logical stuff there.

Edit: Lesnars 5 “matches” this year:
00:03
13:18
00:13
02:29
08:36
(And yeah, if you wanna include the MITB, another ~30seconds)..

Compare that to Jericho’s 1hr52 in the ring this year and it becomes obvious why they aren’t equivalent.

Some effort there!

I'm not a fan of Brock's but comparing match times and time in ring for 2 polar opposite styles of wrestling is lunacy.

Brock is built as an aggressive, smashmouth, in your face powerhouse monster who dismantles and dominates. Any matches over 15ish minutes don't build into the narrative that Brock and the WWE have curated for him. His perceived threat to everyone backstage is that he can take you out in seconds.

Jericho on the other hand is the savvy, sound, wily ring technician who likes the narrative of a match, and still refers to the art of wrestling, curating a story as being one of the most overlooked fundamentals of the business these days. So him having sub 15 minute matches makes little to no sense.

Jericho needs 15+ minute matches to showcase what he can do.

Lesnar needs sub 15 minute matches to showxase what he can do.

They have completely different booking and wrestling styles, so it is completely unfair to use this as a way of comparing the two.

 

[Grockadoc]

Kofi sucks, I'm glad he got squashed. Shouldn't be anywhere near the world title scene.

You have to think with AEW launching, the Kofi pick was a bit of backstage politics and a message to a lot of the disgruntled locker room that hard work does pay off in the long run to give them a bit of hope. Was almost a peace offering to the superstars as it were. Same can be said for The Revival and to a lesser extent Gallows and Anderson with the Tag Titles.

Always felt that there was an agenda other than Kofi deserving his shot.

 

[ptrg]

I'm not a fan of Brock's but comparing match times and time in ring for 2 polar opposite styles of wrestling is lunacy.

Brock is built as an aggressive, smashmouth, in your face powerhouse monster who dismantles and dominates. Any matches over 15ish minutes don't build into the narrative that Brock and the WWE have curated for him. His perceived threat to everyone backstage is that he can take you out in seconds.

Jericho on the other hand is the savvy, sound, wily ring technician who likes the narrative of a match, and still refers to the art of wrestling, curating a story as being one of the most overlooked fundamentals of the business these days. So him having sub 15 minute matches makes little to no sense.

Jericho needs 15+ minute matches to showcase what he can do.

Lesnar needs sub 15 minute matches to showxase what he can do.

They have completely different booking and wrestling styles, so it is completely unfair to use this as a way of comparing the two.

Disagree. Brocks “style” is solely based around the fact that he doesn’t reherse or plan his matches, doesn’t do any non PPV or big card fights to stay in shape, and quite literally doesn’t have to sell or physically take ANYTHING.

If Strowman had Brocks over-in-2mins gimmick, I’d believe its there to enhance his character.
But I believe it’s done in Brock’s case, solely because he simply puts zero effort in, and the easiest way to throw a last second match together when he finally shows up, is a one sided squash (or otherwise multiple German suplexes and a few signature moves).

Don’t get me wrong, I loved Brock Lesnar back when he was full time, but now he’s nothing but a bloke doing as little as possible for a pay cheque.
If he had this attitude and was dominating like this in UFC, good on him, but it’s wrestling - guys who don’t give a **** about the profession and phone it in are not what people pay to see.

My way of viewing it is that wwe pays him enough to turn up and give them a result, and that’s it. The full time roster then have to work around his bullshit, and we get matches like today’s as a result.

 

[Nugett]

I'm not a fan of Brock's but comparing match times and time in ring for 2 polar opposite styles of wrestling is lunacy.

Brock is built as an aggressive, smashmouth, in your face powerhouse monster who dismantles and dominates. Any matches over 15ish minutes don't build into the narrative that Brock and the WWE have curated for him. His perceived threat to everyone backstage is that he can take you out in seconds.

Jericho on the other hand is the savvy, sound, wily ring technician who likes the narrative of a match, and still refers to the art of wrestling, curating a story as being one of the most overlooked fundamentals of the business these days. So him having sub 15 minute matches makes little to no sense.

Jericho needs 15+ minute matches to showcase what he can do.

Lesnar needs sub 15 minute matches to showxase what he can do.

They have completely different booking and wrestling styles, so it is completely unfair to use this as a way of comparing the two.

It comes down to what you enjoy watching. I get no enjoyment from Brock matches. I have no interest in him or his matches. They are boring to watch. When I think of wrestling matches, I think of people like Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Harley Race (NWA) among others.

When I hear Entertainment, I think of people like Stone Cold, The Rock, Bobby Heehan, Roddy Piper, Jim Cornette, Dusty Rhodes (NWA), CM Punk, The Undertaker, even Hulk Hogan, among others.

Brock doesn’t fit into either category he’s in the class of great a beer break. His matches are boring, Heyman has been doing the same promo for years. That I have zero interest. Other people that come to mind in this category that somehow get main event or high mid card are more recent such as Roman, Corbin, Elias, Big Show, The Great Kali, Jinder.

 

[YelloMit]

 

[Grockadoc]

It comes down to what you enjoy watching. I get no enjoyment from Brock matches. I have no interest in him or his matches. They are boring to watch. When I think of wrestling matches, I think of people like Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Harley Race (NWA) among others.

When I hear Entertainment, I think of people like Stone Cold, The Rock, Bobby Heehan, Roddy Piper, Jim Cornette, Dusty Rhodes (NWA), CM Punk, The Undertaker, even Hulk Hogan, among others.

Brock doesn’t fit into either category he’s in the class of great a beer break. His matches are boring, Heyman has been doing the same promo for years. That I have zero interest. Other people that come to mind in this category that somehow get main event or high mid card are more recent such as Roman, Corbin, Elias, Big Show, The Great Kali, Jinder.

Disagree. Brocks “style” is solely based around the fact that he doesn’t reherse or plan his matches, doesn’t do any non PPV or big card fights to stay in shape, and quite literally doesn’t have to sell or physically take ANYTHING.

If Strowman had Brocks over-in-2mins gimmick, I’d believe its there to enhance his character.
But I believe it’s done in Brock’s case, solely because he simply puts zero effort in, and the easiest way to throw a last second match together when he finally shows up, is a one sided squash (or otherwise multiple German suplexes and a few signature moves).

Don’t get me wrong, I loved Brock Lesnar back when he was full time, but now he’s nothing but a bloke doing as little as possible for a pay cheque.
If he had this attitude and was dominating like this in UFC, good on him, but it’s wrestling - guys who don’t give a fu** about the profession and phone it in are not what people pay to see.

My way of viewing it is that wwe pays him enough to turn up and give them a result, and that’s it. The full time roster then have to work around his bulls**t, and we get matches like today’s as a result.

I don't like Brock and find his booking repetitive and boring.

All I am saying is: What is more believable?

Brock having a 10 minute match or a 30 minite match?

Jericho having a 30 minute match or a 10 minute match?

I think with the total in ring time, you WANT Jericho in there for 30 minutes because he is so good.

You NEED Brock in there for 10 minutes. Because he isn't technically gifted, and he blows up pretty easy.

The booking styles of both guys play to their strengths. I just find the total in ring time comparison a poor one to compare the 2 given how they both get booked and their preferred wrestling style.

 

[Grockadoc]

It comes down to what you enjoy watching. I get no enjoyment from Brock matches. I have no interest in him or his matches. They are boring to watch. When I think of wrestling matches, I think of people like Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Randy Savage, Harley Race (NWA) among others.

When I hear Entertainment, I think of people like Stone Cold, The Rock, Bobby Heehan, Roddy Piper, Jim Cornette, Dusty Rhodes (NWA), CM Punk, The Undertaker, even Hulk Hogan, among others.

Brock doesn’t fit into either category he’s in the class of great a beer break. His matches are boring, Heyman has been doing the same promo for years. That I have zero interest. Other people that come to mind in this category that somehow get main event or high mid card are more recent such as Roman, Corbin, Elias, Big Show, The Great Kali, Jinder.

Also, to be fair, I think you are harsh on Elias. He is great entertainment wise and I think he could be a terrific heel with more mic time. Just doesn't get it, or get anywhere near enough time in the ring as his ring work is okay as well.