List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[1991firstgamer]

Just a rumour on the grapevine that work is being done

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[Danger in Texas]

In his draft year iirc it was shallow in terms of good key forwards so there was always a question mark as he never had to stand a max king for example. We gambled as it was hoped he would be the replacement for talia.

Yeah there weren’t a lot. The key forward that went the highest was (I think) Georgiades, and even he barely played in his 18th year

 

[Rags_118]

Who can we target as our next forward? Need to identify a player on the cusp but behind an established forward? Like the sun's with Chol did.

Perhaps Neale at Geelong? Sproule or Riccardi from GWS? Fullarton and McStay from the Lions? Amarty at the swans? Personally I like Amarty most.

Let's face it, our club has been a joke at developing forwards throughout its history. Even Tex, as much as I love him and cherish his time at the club, has underperformed IMO. He kicked over 100 goals in 30 or so games as a teenager in the SANFL. To not reach 600 in his AFL career would be disappointing. Was his development stifled when he came to us?

Our leading goal kickers list is littered with players we traded in. We can't develop them ourselves.

Betts is 3rd on our all time list. Jenkins 4th. Welsh 7th. Jarman 8th. Tommy Lynch 10th. All traded in, we didn't develop them from kids. 5 of our top 10 goal kickers of all time.

9 of our top 20 goal kickers of all time are midfielders. This shows our forwards are not career crows. Tex is the only full time forward we have had to reach 150 games... I think Ian Perrie and Robran the only other 2 with over 100 games.

Fog and berg aren't looking like making it although fog showed some glimpses today but history shows it will be followed by 5 disappointing games.

I'd love to see Murray thrown forward with Thilthorpe, and hope the club is looking at possible trade options.

Short memory to forget Modra’s 118 games!

 

[rabidcrow]

Short memory to forget Modra’s 118 games!

In fairness we didn’t develop Mods. He just came in as a freak natural talent and exploded


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[VictorianCrow85]

Call it hindsight, thats a nice way of giving Hamish and co a scapegoat. Good recruiters should be able to see a players projection though.

De Koning was the AA full back anyway so its not like he was a complete unknown.

Just out of curiosity, if all recruiters are so good why did he get through to pick 19 then if its all about being to project? There's a whole 18 picks prior and no one touched him? Every year when they go back over the draft and 'redraft' with the benefit of hindsight it has changed pretty significantly every year which shows the recruiters from clubs in general don't 'project' all that accurately.

Don't get me wrong I'm not really that sold on if Hamish has done as good of a job as we need, there should definitely be a level of scrutiny on him & Justin Reid.

 

[George Kramer]

Just out of curiosity, if all recruiters are so good why did he get through to pick 19 then if its all about being to project? There's a whole 18 picks prior and no one touched him? Every year when they go back over the draft and 'redraft' with the benefit of hindsight it has changed pretty significantly every year which shows the recruiters from clubs in general don't 'project' all that accurately.

Don't get me wrong I'm not really that sold on if Hamish has done as good of a job as we need, there should definitely be a level of scrutiny on him & Justin Reid.

Your point fails because the other recruiters didn’t fail, the majority picked quality players who are all regularly playing afl football. We picked a dud.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Your point fails because the other recruiters didn’t fail, the majority picked quality players who are all regularly playing afl football. We picked a dud.

I haven't had the chance to go back over the draft and check who did what & how they are all tracking so you might well be right. I would doubt that every one of them 18 picks worked out though? I might take a look a deeper look into it later out of curiosity.

 

[Macca19]

McAsey seemed a stretch at the time, but he was the clear best KPP option in the draft, he seemed like a plug n play type at the time and you needed someone to replace Keath. De Koning was never in top 10 contention and picking him at 6 would have been outrageous. They were hard to rate though as it was probably the worst KPF crop on record.

Outside of Serong, none of the smalls picked after him have really set the world on fire yet either. Even Stephens who went the pick before has been massively underwhelming.

 

[George Kramer]

I haven't had the chance to go back over the draft and check who did what & how they are all tracking so you might well be right. I would doubt that every one of them 18 picks worked out though? I might take a look a deeper look into it later out of curiosity.

No not everyone worked out but a large majority have

 

[George Kramer]

McAsey seemed a stretch at the time, but he was the clear best KPP option in the draft, he seemed like a plug n play type at the time and you needed someone to replace Keath. De Koning was never in top 10 contention and picking him at 6 would have been outrageous. They were hard to rate though as it was probably the worst KPF crop on record.

Outside of Serong, none of the smalls picked after him have really set the world on fire yet either. Even Stephens who went the pick before has been massively underwhelming.

To replace Keath, that’s another issue. We recruited him late, developed him, got a couple of good years out of him and then let him walk for peanuts. The smart play would have been to keep him and then not waste pick 6 on a KPD because we needed one.

 

[LoBu]

M

Modra..but that does go back a long way

And deliberately left off the list

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[LoBu]

criticism of list management is fine, often valid. But at least get the stats right, or the argument loses credibility. Trying to drive a point home with infactual data is poor commentary.

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[LoBu]

I'd argue that Laird and Crouch have limited time left, the result being we haven't finished the rebuild. One of JHF, Tsatas, Hewitt or Wardlord may fix the midfield by 2024.

The height won't be an issue.

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[Bay62]

Saw an article online trying to assess likely needs for each club from the mid season draft.

For the Crows, they predicted we’d look at forwards because we seemed to have “enough big bodied mids and key defenders.”

Hmm not sure you’ve actually seen us play..

 

[DJ75]

Saw an article online trying to assess likely needs for each club from the mid season draft.

For the Crows, they predicted we’d look at forwards because we seemed to have “enough big bodied miss and key defenders.”

Hmm not sure you’ve actually seen us play..

We do have enough. It's just that most of them aren't very good.

 

[Bay62]

We do have enough. It's just that most of them aren't very good.

Big bodied though?

 

[1970crow]

criticism of list management is fine, often valid. But at least get the stats right, or the argument loses credibility. Trying to drive a point home with infactual data is poor commentary. View attachment 1411349

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And you reckon that’s functionally any different?

 

[MRB37]

Rockliff catching up

 

[1970crow]

Rockliff catching up

They’re astute up that way these days.

 

[latinoheat]

Rockliff catching up

Will Brisbane’s second round pick get it done?

 

[1970crow]

Based on where we are at right now. If be forced retiring or moving on Sloane, Tex and Brown. Forcing out 1 of Laird and Keays along with Smith. I’d be bringing in 2-3 cheapish experienced guys from other systems to provide some depth/leadership support.

Pissing around with the bottom end of our list won’t impact our rebuild, we need to cut from the cultural heart. Dump Davis and replace him with a 4th rounder if it makes you feel better, but it makes no difference overall.

 

[Mego Red]

How the duck would you know this?

Pretty much the entire pre draft coverage said similar. Vader isn't alone in thinking that, though it's impossible to prove.

 

[1970crow]

Will Brisbane’s second round pick get it done?

Not contracted. First with stuff going back or other swaps in their favour. Or their 2nd with 3rds swapped. But I’d rather when we trade we do it to improve existing picks. So if their first is too much, we argue about what needs to goes with him, but no deal otherwise.

 

[George Kramer]

Rockliff catching up

So this has legs or just piss talk?

 

[Mego Red]

Will Brisbane’s second round pick get it done?

Brisbane will be trying to get out of the first round, so Fogarty and points for Ashcroft would be very attractive to them for their pick.