List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[botts]

COULD SHIEL BE PART OF GRESHAM DEAL?

The recruiting world is abuzz with anticipation about whether St Kilda can find a way to secure first-round compensation for free agent Jade Gresham.

He is not worth the $750,000 a year he would need to be paid over three seasons to trigger first-round compensation.

The open question is whether the AFL would approve a separate St Kilda-Essendon trade for a second player who might transfer from the Dons to the Saints.

Essendon’s Dylan Shiel is a player of interest for the Saints given his hard run and explosiveness, so there is some chance he could be on the move.

The Dons said last month he was a required player, but Darcy Parish’s re-signing means there is a logjam of Essendon mids.

So Gresham to Essendon as a mid-forward and Shiels to St Kilda might be a win-win for both clubs.

St Kilda would secure a first-round compo pick for Gresham (currently pick 13) and also improve its playing stocks by handing a draft pick to the Dons, who could give Ben Hobbs and Elijah Tsatas more midfield time.

But the AFL would need to approve both deals as fair value.

Some rivals believe the league would approve that kind of arrangement as the latest version of the Jack Bowes salary dump which advantaged Geelong and Gold Coast.

You couldn’t fault St Kilda for trying something inventive as recruiters Steve Silvagni and Graeme Allan attempt to betterthe club’s list.

DOUGAL WON’T BE BOMBERS’ PLAN B

St Kilda key backman Dougal Howard wants to stay at the Saints and fight for his position in the senior team next season rather than explore his options elsewhere.

Howard, 27, was overlooked for the club’s elimination final loss to the GWS Giants, raising questions about whether he should pursue a move to a rival on the hunt for a key defender.

St Kilda wants to be aggressive over the trade period to improve its draft position and clear some salary cap room to have scope in the free agency market in coming years.

Howard was seen as an expendable commodity, with several clubs, including Sydney, Hawthorn, Essendon and Port Adelaide chasing key defensive help.

But the 199cm Howard, who has one more year to run on his contract, has made clear he has no intentions to seek a move to a third club following his exit meeting with the Saints last week.

Essendon and Hawthorn are locked in a fight for North Melbourne key defender Ben McKay, who is weighing up his options at the two clubs.

Essendon has long been considered the frontrunner for McKay, but the Hawks remain a strong chance to land the key defender after tabling a more lucrative offer.

Hawthorn coach Sam Mitchell is eager to land a key defender to beef-up his back half and support captain James Sicily after conceding the third-most points this season.

It has fuelled suggestions Howard could loom as a back-up plan for the Bombers to fill a key defensive spot if they miss out on McKay and lose Brandon Zerk-Thatcher to Port Adelaide.

But it is unlikely Howard will emerge as a serious plan B option for Essendon, which will look to Zach Reid to fill a key void in the back half next year after a nightmare run of back stress fractures.

Reid, 21 has played eight games in three seasons but missed all of 2023 with his latest back injury.

The 202cm defender faces a crucial summer preparing his body to be ready to play from round 1 next season after he was taken with pick 10 in the 2020 national draft.

The Saints are open to offers on Nick Coffield and Jack Billings. Coffield has attracted interest from the Western Bulldogs, while Billings played only three games this year.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-latest-trade-news-jacob-koschitzke-requests-trade/news-story/64a464240d031f50a34ebe7644963982

Would happily do this.

 

[Remboy]

COULD SHIEL BE PART OF GRESHAM DEAL?

The recruiting world is abuzz with anticipation about whether St Kilda can find a way to secure first-round compensation for free agent Jade Gresham.

He is not worth the $750,000 a year he would need to be paid over three seasons to trigger first-round compensation.

The open question is whether the AFL would approve a separate St Kilda-Essendon trade for a second player who might transfer from the Dons to the Saints.

Essendon’s Dylan Shiel is a player of interest for the Saints given his hard run and explosiveness, so there is some chance he could be on the move.

The Dons said last month he was a required player, but Darcy Parish’s re-signing means there is a logjam of Essendon mids.

So Gresham to Essendon as a mid-forward and Shiels to St Kilda might be a win-win for both clubs.

St Kilda would secure a first-round compo pick for Gresham (currently pick 13) and also improve its playing stocks by handing a draft pick to the Dons, who could give Ben Hobbs and Elijah Tsatas more midfield time.

But the AFL would need to approve both deals as fair value.

Some rivals believe the league would approve that kind of arrangement as the latest version of the Jack Bowes salary dump which advantaged Geelong and Gold Coast.

You couldn’t fault St Kilda for trying something inventive as recruiters Steve Silvagni and Graeme Allan attempt to betterthe club’s list.

DOUGAL WON’T BE BOMBERS’ PLAN B

St Kilda key backman Dougal Howard wants to stay at the Saints and fight for his position in the senior team next season rather than explore his options elsewhere.

Howard, 27, was overlooked for the club’s elimination final loss to the GWS Giants, raising questions about whether he should pursue a move to a rival on the hunt for a key defender.

St Kilda wants to be aggressive over the trade period to improve its draft position and clear some salary cap room to have scope in the free agency market in coming years.

Howard was seen as an expendable commodity, with several clubs, including Sydney, Hawthorn, Essendon and Port Adelaide chasing key defensive help.

But the 199cm Howard, who has one more year to run on his contract, has made clear he has no intentions to seek a move to a third club following his exit meeting with the Saints last week.

Essendon and Hawthorn are locked in a fight for North Melbourne key defender Ben McKay, who is weighing up his options at the two clubs.

Essendon has long been considered the frontrunner for McKay, but the Hawks remain a strong chance to land the key defender after tabling a more lucrative offer.

Hawthorn coach Sam Mitchell is eager to land a key defender to beef-up his back half and support captain James Sicily after conceding the third-most points this season.

It has fuelled suggestions Howard could loom as a back-up plan for the Bombers to fill a key defensive spot if they miss out on McKay and lose Brandon Zerk-Thatcher to Port Adelaide.

But it is unlikely Howard will emerge as a serious plan B option for Essendon, which will look to Zach Reid to fill a key void in the back half next year after a nightmare run of back stress fractures.

Reid, 21 has played eight games in three seasons but missed all of 2023 with his latest back injury.

The 202cm defender faces a crucial summer preparing his body to be ready to play from round 1 next season after he was taken with pick 10 in the 2020 national draft.

The Saints are open to offers on Nick Coffield and Jack Billings. Coffield has attracted interest from the Western Bulldogs, while Billings played only three games this year.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-latest-trade-news-jacob-koschitzke-requests-trade/news-story/64a464240d031f50a34ebe7644963982

Personally I’m glad to hear Howard wants to stay. It means he’s prepared to put his head down over the summer and worked his backside off to get into the side. I much prefer that to cracking the shits and asking for a trade.

 

[Hubnester]

They describe it as a salary dump situation, so we would presumably be paying some of Gresh's salary (or at least getting Shiel off essendons books - not sure what coin he'd be on). Don't really rate Shiel but I would assume we're mostly dealing with cash and not valuable draft picks here. If we walk away with a first round compo for Gresh and only give up something later to get Shiel across, I wouldn't be too upset.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Want Howard to go & Sheil is a crap kick

 

[snails13]

The issue is if he's on a long term contract playing footy in the twos. Look at the situation with Billings.

People seem to have it as this no-brainer that Coffield will be a gun once he comes back from injury. If that was a certainty then he'd have a long term contract in front of him.

What about the 1st round pick

Shiel is 31 next year. That’s a no from me.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Parfitt is a very ordinary footballer.

Based on?

 

[Remboy]

Think we would need to get GC pick 4 to be locked to get Sanders that pick will be 6 by the time bids come in.

1. WC - Reid
2. GC NGA Bid - Jed Walter
3. Nth - McKercher
4. Nth FA Comp - Watson
5. Haw - Dursma

Of the top prospects that leaves, Sanders Curtin O'Sullivan Caddy and Wilson in the open pool with Ethan Reid and Rodgers GC NGA tied.

Most probably have Curtin next. Sanders could slip a couple of picks if Melb want Caddy as a forward - GWS don't need mids but not sure how he would get past Geelong.

6. GC Pick up for trade
7. Melb
8. GWS
9. Geel
10. Ess

So Essendon's pick at 8 currently gives you a faint hope of him sliding to there but you wouldn't sell the farm for a faint hope has to be GC pick if you want to be sure to get your man.

Also happy that our team has identified Sanders as the target fits our needs perfectly would be a good long term match with Pou and Owens - Pretty powerful midfield

It will depend on how early he goes and what it costs to get that pick. My guess is that it would cost too much to trade up to pick 4 to make it worthwhile. Could be that they wait until trade night and live trade if he gets to 7 or 8.

 

[Remboy]

What about the 1st round pick

Four years ago we might have been interested in Shiel but Essendon have made their bed with him, they can lie in it.

 

[#gosaintas]

Based on?

How crap he is at football

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

How crap he is at football

Based on?

 

[bird_man]

COULD SHIEL BE PART OF GRESHAM DEAL?

The recruiting world is abuzz with anticipation about whether St Kilda can find a way to secure first-round compensation for free agent Jade Gresham.

He is not worth the $750,000 a year he would need to be paid over three seasons to trigger first-round compensation.

The open question is whether the AFL would approve a separate St Kilda-Essendon trade for a second player who might transfer from the Dons to the Saints.

Essendon’s Dylan Shiel is a player of interest for the Saints given his hard run and explosiveness, so there is some chance he could be on the move.

The Dons said last month he was a required player, but Darcy Parish’s re-signing means there is a logjam of Essendon mids.

So Gresham to Essendon as a mid-forward and Shiels to St Kilda might be a win-win for both clubs.

St Kilda would secure a first-round compo pick for Gresham (currently pick 13) and also improve its playing stocks by handing a draft pick to the Dons, who could give Ben Hobbs and Elijah Tsatas more midfield time.

But the AFL would need to approve both deals as fair value.

Some rivals believe the league would approve that kind of arrangement as the latest version of the Jack Bowes salary dump which advantaged Geelong and Gold Coast.

You couldn’t fault St Kilda for trying something inventive as recruiters Steve Silvagni and Graeme Allan attempt to betterthe club’s list.

DOUGAL WON’T BE BOMBERS’ PLAN B

St Kilda key backman Dougal Howard wants to stay at the Saints and fight for his position in the senior team next season rather than explore his options elsewhere.

Howard, 27, was overlooked for the club’s elimination final loss to the GWS Giants, raising questions about whether he should pursue a move to a rival on the hunt for a key defender.

St Kilda wants to be aggressive over the trade period to improve its draft position and clear some salary cap room to have scope in the free agency market in coming years.

Howard was seen as an expendable commodity, with several clubs, including Sydney, Hawthorn, Essendon and Port Adelaide chasing key defensive help.

But the 199cm Howard, who has one more year to run on his contract, has made clear he has no intentions to seek a move to a third club following his exit meeting with the Saints last week.

Essendon and Hawthorn are locked in a fight for North Melbourne key defender Ben McKay, who is weighing up his options at the two clubs.

Essendon has long been considered the frontrunner for McKay, but the Hawks remain a strong chance to land the key defender after tabling a more lucrative offer.

Hawthorn coach Sam Mitchell is eager to land a key defender to beef-up his back half and support captain James Sicily after conceding the third-most points this season.

It has fuelled suggestions Howard could loom as a back-up plan for the Bombers to fill a key defensive spot if they miss out on McKay and lose Brandon Zerk-Thatcher to Port Adelaide.

But it is unlikely Howard will emerge as a serious plan B option for Essendon, which will look to Zach Reid to fill a key void in the back half next year after a nightmare run of back stress fractures.

Reid, 21 has played eight games in three seasons but missed all of 2023 with his latest back injury.

The 202cm defender faces a crucial summer preparing his body to be ready to play from round 1 next season after he was taken with pick 10 in the 2020 national draft.

The Saints are open to offers on Nick Coffield and Jack Billings. Coffield has attracted interest from the Western Bulldogs, while Billings played only three games this year.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-latest-trade-news-jacob-koschitzke-requests-trade/news-story/64a464240d031f50a34ebe7644963982

The Shiel deal makes sense, but can't see the AFL letting that fly.

 

[pebblesofsand]

A plan so cunning......

Good way to get 1st Round compo for Gresham but would depend on whether Shiel wanted extra years on a renegotiated contract or would just accept us paying him his big coin for the last year of his existing contract.

And I doubt he'd accept the latter.

 

[stavro#4]

COULD SHIEL BE PART OF GRESHAM DEAL?

The recruiting world is abuzz with anticipation about whether St Kilda can find a way to secure first-round compensation for free agent Jade Gresham.

He is not worth the $750,000 a year he would need to be paid over three seasons to trigger first-round compensation.

The open question is whether the AFL would approve a separate St Kilda-Essendon trade for a second player who might transfer from the Dons to the Saints.

Essendon’s Dylan Shiel is a player of interest for the Saints given his hard run and explosiveness, so there is some chance he could be on the move.

The Dons said last month he was a required player, but Darcy Parish’s re-signing means there is a logjam of Essendon mids.

So Gresham to Essendon as a mid-forward and Shiels to St Kilda might be a win-win for both clubs.

St Kilda would secure a first-round compo pick for Gresham (currently pick 13) and also improve its playing stocks by handing a draft pick to the Dons, who could give Ben Hobbs and Elijah Tsatas more midfield time.

But the AFL would need to approve both deals as fair value.

Some rivals believe the league would approve that kind of arrangement as the latest version of the Jack Bowes salary dump which advantaged Geelong and Gold Coast.

You couldn’t fault St Kilda for trying something inventive as recruiters Steve Silvagni and Graeme Allan attempt to betterthe club’s list.

DOUGAL WON’T BE BOMBERS’ PLAN B

St Kilda key backman Dougal Howard wants to stay at the Saints and fight for his position in the senior team next season rather than explore his options elsewhere.

Howard, 27, was overlooked for the club’s elimination final loss to the GWS Giants, raising questions about whether he should pursue a move to a rival on the hunt for a key defender.

St Kilda wants to be aggressive over the trade period to improve its draft position and clear some salary cap room to have scope in the free agency market in coming years.

Howard was seen as an expendable commodity, with several clubs, including Sydney, Hawthorn, Essendon and Port Adelaide chasing key defensive help.

But the 199cm Howard, who has one more year to run on his contract, has made clear he has no intentions to seek a move to a third club following his exit meeting with the Saints last week.

Essendon and Hawthorn are locked in a fight for North Melbourne key defender Ben McKay, who is weighing up his options at the two clubs.

Essendon has long been considered the frontrunner for McKay, but the Hawks remain a strong chance to land the key defender after tabling a more lucrative offer.

Hawthorn coach Sam Mitchell is eager to land a key defender to beef-up his back half and support captain James Sicily after conceding the third-most points this season.

It has fuelled suggestions Howard could loom as a back-up plan for the Bombers to fill a key defensive spot if they miss out on McKay and lose Brandon Zerk-Thatcher to Port Adelaide.

But it is unlikely Howard will emerge as a serious plan B option for Essendon, which will look to Zach Reid to fill a key void in the back half next year after a nightmare run of back stress fractures.

Reid, 21 has played eight games in three seasons but missed all of 2023 with his latest back injury.

The 202cm defender faces a crucial summer preparing his body to be ready to play from round 1 next season after he was taken with pick 10 in the 2020 national draft.

The Saints are open to offers on Nick Coffield and Jack Billings. Coffield has attracted interest from the Western Bulldogs, while Billings played only three games this year.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-latest-trade-news-jacob-koschitzke-requests-trade/news-story/64a464240d031f50a34ebe7644963982

Shiel is 31 next year. That’s a no from me.

It’s a pretty good plan Shiel is a handy stop gap and we get our first rounder. That makes sense, so long as the other trades do I’ll be happy.

Would happily do this.

Personally I’m glad to hear Howard wants to stay. It means he’s prepared to put his head down over the summer and worked his backside off to get into the side. I much prefer that to cracking the shits and asking for a trade.

The Shiel deal makes sense, but can't see the AFL letting that fly.

The Shiel news is true. Found out the other day. Not sure the PM group believed me

I’m still not 100% certain that Howard news is true and I was told yesterday the complete opposite

 

[stavro#4]

I forget some of you still require “proof” like the last few months I haven’t spoon fed you everything.

 

[beside the seaside]

In my opinion Shiel has been completely wasted at Essendon. It's late in his career but he is exactly what we need if we can get him.

 

[stavro#4]

In my opinion Shiel has been completely wasted at Essendon. It's late in his career but he is exactly what we need if we can get him.

All of SOS Gubby and the St Kilda FC have all loved Dylan Shiel at different points.

 

[RWB4life]

The Shiel news is true. Found out the other day. Not sure the PM group believed me

I’m still not 100% certain that Howard news is true and I was told yesterday the complete opposite

Say he wants to stay and he's under contract so only way to get him is to offer overs.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

I forget some of you still require “proof” like the last few months I haven’t spoon fed you everything.

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Photoshop.

 

[stavro#4]

Say he wants to stay and he's under contract so only way to get him is to offer overs.

On the table for a First rounder has been my understanding for awhile.

The thing is that the Shiel news and the howard news I got from 2 different people this week.

The Shiel stuff has come from my

The Howard stuff came from an Ex assistant coach yesterday and he believed he was going to nominate a club in the coming weeks. But that person is also not working for us anymore, so let’s see

 

[stavro#4]

Photoshop.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Don’t see how getting rid of Gresham and getting in Shiel improves our list.

 

[austinnn]

I don't really understand the proposed Shiel deal.

We take him off Essendon's hands, what do we get in return?

How is it related to Gresham?

Can anyone clarify?

 

[jimmytigs]

Don’t see how getting rid of Gresham and getting in Shiel improves our list.

pick 13

 

[stavro#4]

Don’t see how getting rid of Gresham and getting in Shiel improves our list.

Pick 13 along with our pick 12.

Then we potentially work our way up into the top 10.

 

[stavro#4]

Don’t see how getting rid of Gresham and getting in Shiel improves our list.

Pick 13 along with our pick 12.

Then we potentially work our way up into the top 10.